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14 Days Trader

Dawgound01
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Any Chance this goes back to 30 days, 14 days is insane. Seems like I am spending all my time with expired and listing stuff instead of actually going out and exploring, combat etc.

I know their is talk about guild & Trading so please fix this current setup in next update.
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  • OsUfi
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    I sure hope not. If it returns to me in 14 days, I know it either ain't selling or I need to drop price.
  • Dawgound01
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    If fill all 5 x 30=150 items selling in 14 days? I dont think your selling that much that fast!

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  • OsUfi
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    90-120, and sure, I get an odd rare item that has a low demand. But 99.9% of what I sell sells within 7 days, or I've mistaken either price or demand.
  • Dawgound01
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    Use to get 4 to 5 a week back, now after 2 weeks 58 expired on the 150. I also play on both the NA and EU servers so listing on both lol
    I use the sites for pricing and demand so that's not the issue. The 30 days didnt seem like constantly in there.

    Just wanted to see if anyone else is spending way more time now also.


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  • OsUfi
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    Good news is you're deffo not alone, a lot of people have had trouble adjusting to the massive deflation of the last year (of which I am a fan, everything was way to expensive a year or two ago).

    The bad news is 58 out of 150 is excessive, and it's likely if it didn't sell in 14 days, it won't sell in 30 days. If you are absolutely certain neither price or demand are your problem, there will be another issue. Maybe you have someone undercutting you on your vendors, or maybe your vendors are currently in bad locations.

    Editing to add, the undercutting thing is currently happening on one of my vendors now. Every time I list something I'm having to check as someone with a deep crafting bag is selling everything 1 gold less in massive bulk stacks than everyone else in the guild. I think I'll be giving up and just listing writs and motifs on that vendor and I'll move craft materials to another vendor.
    Edited by OsUfi on January 3, 2025 7:29PM
  • Amottica
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    Dawgound01 wrote: »
    Any Chance this goes back to 30 days, 14 days is insane. Seems like I am spending all my time with expired and listing stuff instead of actually going out and exploring, combat etc.

    I know their is talk about guild & Trading so please fix this current setup in next update.

    Is there a chance it will go back to 30 days?

    YES, YES, and YES

    The chance is likely relatively low unless Zenimax has indicated otherwise in recent weeks. Players spoke up, but it did not seem enough to sway Zenimax to look for a different solution to their goal. That goal did not seem to be focused on the player a QoL.

  • Kappachi
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    I usually sell everything that's going to sell within the first 2-3 days. It's a reminder to adjust your prices to better fit player expectation, if you're listing some 120m item of course it's going to take a while to sell, at that point I'd also recommend taking breaks from listing it and trying to sell it to zone chat.
  • LPapirius
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    Most of us just gave up on trading over the last year due to extreme deflation. Then they hit us with this 14 day listing limitation, so many of us just don't bother anymore. Less time in game to collect valuable items to sell and finance other things we want to do now, so we just play a lot less and don't spend real life money on the game anymore either.
  • freespirit
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    Three accounts one with four Trade Guilds, two with three, total sales slots = 300.

    Main account, I could restock all four guilds several times per day, never see an expired item.

    Other two accounts I restock once per day, might see the odd expired item but really not anything notable.

    Know what you are selling, REALLY know the current value, make the choice to be competative with your prices or go for greed....

    Guess which I choose!!
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    freespirit wrote: »
    Three accounts one with four Trade Guilds, two with three, total sales slots = 300.

    Main account, I could restock all four guilds several times per day, never see an expired item.

    Other two accounts I restock once per day, might see the odd expired item but really not anything notable.

    Know what you are selling, REALLY know the current value, make the choice to be competative with your prices or go for greed....

    Guess which I choose!!

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  • LikiLoki
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    I sell furniture. These items are not consumable items, so players purchase them less frequently. This category requires a long term. 14 days is too short.
  • Kyip
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    They should have reduced the non-refundable fees by half when they cut listing times from 30 days to 14 days.

    It really sucks when you are trying to list more expensive items that sit for a while, like rare recipes.
  • Necrotech_Master
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    i been fine with the 14 days, most of the time stuff usually sells within 7 days or the price fluctuated a lot on it

    because items are churning a bit more, i dont feel like i need 4 or 5 trade guilds to meet my sales needs, just 2 moderately good volume ones with 1 slower one feels much less effort to maintain and im probably still making about the same avg amount of gold

    ive also been selling more mats again lately too, which still move quickly
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  • Horny_Poney
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    I stopped selling rare items, they just sit in my bank for nothing. And ô surprise, I don’t see the rare items I would want to buy in guild stores. So basically, the market is frozen for rare/pricy items. I don’t want the 14 days to be reverted to 30, I want this nonsense duration to be removed entirely.
  • freespirit
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    LikiLoki wrote: »
    I sell furniture. These items are not consumable items, so players purchase them less frequently. This category requires a long term. 14 days is too short.

    Totally disagree!

    I sell furniture on the two less used accounts, it sells fine within 14 days, now selling furniture people don't want, well that's another matter.

    Currently Colovian and Dawnwood(Lighting, planters, hearth items, etc small items not large structural pieces) items sell really well and have the bonus of not using an expensive/hard to farm style mat. I brought several purple plans when Gold Road released and farmed the Inn quite a bit, I have recovered my outlay and am well into very good profit now.

    Older items that sell well are Vampiric items, Redguard cushions and carpets, Masterwork/writ voucher items(Kettles, baths, Hlaalu Salt Lamps etc).

    I would most definitely say it requires a bit of thought and research into prices but furniture does sell fine in 14 days! :)
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  • JustLovely
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    The 14 day listing limitation is too short. There was no reason to reduce the listing time in the first place, and it certainly has not achieved the stated goal for implementing the change.

    So it's just time to revert the listing time to 30 days and bring some of the quality of life back to those who use guild stores. As a poster said above, those of us that have a bunch of rare items (items that sell for over 2 million) won't even list them anymore even if we get the drops. It's too expensive and too time consuming to bother trying to sell these items now, so people just don't list them even if they have them and would like to sell them.

    The 14 day listing limitation was and remains VERY bad for the market. The super casuals like it because it brought down the price of basic materials. But it ruined the market in every other way.
  • freespirit
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    I think what too many people are refusing to acknowledge is the fact that the "super rare 2 million plus value items" are just not worth that as the game stands atm.

    I have sold many of my rarer items for much less than they were worth a while back, some I am still sitting on.

    If it's in my inventory it's worth what I can sell it to a NPC for, it is not worth 2 million plus because people say it is.

    The economy was crashing before the 14 days was introduced, did it make the situation worse? Probably!

    Now we need to adapt, items are cheaper to buy so it follows valuable items should cost less too!

    I choose to adapt my prices and I can still afford to buy anything I might need because although my profits are smaller my outlay is too. :)
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    "You're going to regret that in the morning"
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  • JustLovely
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    freespirit wrote: »
    I think what too many people are refusing to acknowledge is the fact that the "super rare 2 million plus value items" are just not worth that as the game stands atm.

    I have sold many of my rarer items for much less than they were worth a while back, some I am still sitting on.

    If it's in my inventory it's worth what I can sell it to a NPC for, it is not worth 2 million plus because people say it is.

    The economy was crashing before the 14 days was introduced, did it make the situation worse? Probably!

    Now we need to adapt, items are cheaper to buy so it follows valuable items should cost less too!

    I choose to adapt my prices and I can still afford to buy anything I might need because although my profits are smaller my outlay is too. :)

    Why is it that all the adapting is expected to take place on the part of the player? Why can't ZOS just admit they've made some mistakes and revert them?
  • sarahthes
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    JustLovely wrote: »
    freespirit wrote: »
    I think what too many people are refusing to acknowledge is the fact that the "super rare 2 million plus value items" are just not worth that as the game stands atm.

    I have sold many of my rarer items for much less than they were worth a while back, some I am still sitting on.

    If it's in my inventory it's worth what I can sell it to a NPC for, it is not worth 2 million plus because people say it is.

    The economy was crashing before the 14 days was introduced, did it make the situation worse? Probably!

    Now we need to adapt, items are cheaper to buy so it follows valuable items should cost less too!

    I choose to adapt my prices and I can still afford to buy anything I might need because although my profits are smaller my outlay is too. :)

    Why is it that all the adapting is expected to take place on the part of the player? Why can't ZOS just admit they've made some mistakes and revert them?

    I think you'd find even with 30 day listings, the market can't currently bear old pricing.

    The bottom line is - if your stuff isn't selling in 14 days right now, the price is too high.
  • Beilin_Balreis_Colcan
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    sarahthes wrote: »
    JustLovely wrote: »
    freespirit wrote: »
    I think what too many people are refusing to acknowledge is the fact that the "super rare 2 million plus value items" are just not worth that as the game stands atm.

    I have sold many of my rarer items for much less than they were worth a while back, some I am still sitting on.

    If it's in my inventory it's worth what I can sell it to a NPC for, it is not worth 2 million plus because people say it is.

    The economy was crashing before the 14 days was introduced, did it make the situation worse? Probably!

    Now we need to adapt, items are cheaper to buy so it follows valuable items should cost less too!

    I choose to adapt my prices and I can still afford to buy anything I might need because although my profits are smaller my outlay is too. :)

    Why is it that all the adapting is expected to take place on the part of the player? Why can't ZOS just admit they've made some mistakes and revert them?

    I think you'd find even with 30 day listings, the market can't currently bear old pricing.

    The bottom line is - if your stuff isn't selling in 14 days right now, the price is too high.
    Except that a poster earlier in this thread gave a good example of items that **need** to be listed more than 14 days because of their nature: furniture items.
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  • AlnilamE
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    sarahthes wrote: »
    JustLovely wrote: »
    freespirit wrote: »
    I think what too many people are refusing to acknowledge is the fact that the "super rare 2 million plus value items" are just not worth that as the game stands atm.

    I have sold many of my rarer items for much less than they were worth a while back, some I am still sitting on.

    If it's in my inventory it's worth what I can sell it to a NPC for, it is not worth 2 million plus because people say it is.

    The economy was crashing before the 14 days was introduced, did it make the situation worse? Probably!

    Now we need to adapt, items are cheaper to buy so it follows valuable items should cost less too!

    I choose to adapt my prices and I can still afford to buy anything I might need because although my profits are smaller my outlay is too. :)

    Why is it that all the adapting is expected to take place on the part of the player? Why can't ZOS just admit they've made some mistakes and revert them?

    I think you'd find even with 30 day listings, the market can't currently bear old pricing.

    The bottom line is - if your stuff isn't selling in 14 days right now, the price is too high.

    I don't care about the pricing, I care about the inconvenience of relisting things twice as often.

    Even if you are selling the same ratios that you were before, you are relisting twice as often now (at least), because of the 14-day period.

    I sell a bunch of very cheap stuff that many players already have, but some don't. So sometimes they sell right away, sometimes they sell when I relist them for the very same price.
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  • Kyip
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    I feel like I might be the only person complaining about the fees not being cut in half when the listing time was cut in half.

    Does this not bother anyone else?
  • Smitch_59
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    I no longer sell via the guilds. Everything gets deconned, sold to a vendor, given away or destroyed. It's not worth the time and I can no longer be bothered.
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  • sarahthes
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    Kyip wrote: »
    I feel like I might be the only person complaining about the fees not being cut in half when the listing time was cut in half.

    Does this not bother anyone else?

    I don't need to relist anything unless it's overpriced initially, so I don't pay the fee twice generally. My stuff sells within 2-3 days or it doesn't sell at all.
  • freespirit
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    vsrs_au wrote: »
    sarahthes wrote: »
    JustLovely wrote: »
    freespirit wrote: »
    I think what too many people are refusing to acknowledge is the fact that the "super rare 2 million plus value items" are just not worth that as the game stands atm.

    I have sold many of my rarer items for much less than they were worth a while back, some I am still sitting on.

    If it's in my inventory it's worth what I can sell it to a NPC for, it is not worth 2 million plus because people say it is.

    The economy was crashing before the 14 days was introduced, did it make the situation worse? Probably!

    Now we need to adapt, items are cheaper to buy so it follows valuable items should cost less too!

    I choose to adapt my prices and I can still afford to buy anything I might need because although my profits are smaller my outlay is too. :)

    Why is it that all the adapting is expected to take place on the part of the player? Why can't ZOS just admit they've made some mistakes and revert them?

    I think you'd find even with 30 day listings, the market can't currently bear old pricing.

    The bottom line is - if your stuff isn't selling in 14 days right now, the price is too high.
    Except that a poster earlier in this thread gave a good example of items that **need** to be listed more than 14 days because of their nature: furniture items.

    Again I disagree, but it takes thought and awareness of what you are trying to sell.

    I personally keep an eye on the style of any new houses, doing that often means your items will sell if you sell what people are likely to use.

    The days of listing anything and it selling are past, people are less likely to buy stuff just to try it.

    Luxury Furniture used to always sell well, now only certain items are pretty much guaranteed to sell at a profit. People are unloading their stocks at below original cost just to raise some gold and clear their bags. However some Lux Vendor items will still sell really well.

    One such item that atm literally flies out of the store is the Clockwork Stairway, Spiral.... original cost 65k...... my current MM tells me 196k. I wouldn't go that high but they sell really fast, I brought loads, I knew they would be popular.

    Thought needs to be applied!! :)
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  • Kyip
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    sarahthes wrote: »
    I don't need to relist anything unless it's overpriced initially, so I don't pay the fee twice generally. My stuff sells within 2-3 days or it doesn't sell at all.
    They cut the service they provide to us by half. They should cut the price by half.

    Edited by Kyip on January 9, 2025 9:25PM
  • Leighlaa
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    OsUfi wrote: »
    I sure hope not. If it returns to me in 14 days, I know it either ain't selling or I need to drop price.

    THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.


    The only items that have suffered, in my experience, are the niche items, CRAZY RARE/EXPENSIVE items (15M+), and furnishings. And all of those items you can hop around zones to sell or list on forums like reddit.
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  • Horny_Poney
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    Lol. So we have an in game system made to sell things, but we should use zone chat or Reddit instead, for… what reason again?
    Just remind me why it is better to have this 14 days limit.
    Edited by Horny_Poney on January 9, 2025 1:14AM
  • Kyip
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    Personally I'm way too uncomfortable trying to hawk my wares in zone chat for some items, so I'm just sitting on those. I like that guild traders provide an impartial system to handle trade transactions. I've adjusted to the new market conditions, trading different things, but I miss the old 30 day system. But zone spamming wares, then dealing with people who try to cheat you, no thanks. Ick. I like my guild traders. That said, I am grumpy that they cut us from 30 days to 14 days without reducing fees, any service that cuts the value they provide like that should also cut the price they charge for it.
    Edited by Kyip on January 9, 2025 1:13AM
  • Horny_Poney
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    Zone chat is already hell with all the “xxx in gf” calls and gold sellers.
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