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Please don't drop those 10th anniversary items again (let alone so soon)
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manukartofanu✭✭✭✭✭None of these things came to me easily, and I farmed the geysers literally until the final hours before I got the staff.
And you know, there were many people there with me who farmed that staff for dozens of hours as well, and they didn’t get it. And I feel sorry for them. It was a terrible event that should never have happened. Its consequences are irreversible because some people suffered for a very long time to get these items, while others got them very easily. But we must not forget that some people suffered for a long time and still didn’t get their items!
So, I’d be glad if they brought these items back, so those who didn’t manage to get them would have another chance. The only thing I DON’T want is for them to make these items unbound this time, with a high drop rate, flooding the market and turning them into yet another useless event junk that everyone has, with pages worth 2k and still nobody wants them.
But in my opinion, it’s better not to implement a randomizer that forces people to grind something terrible all over again. If they make them available for tickets, that’s perfectly okay. Those who really wanted them will be able to buy them.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »I think they need to put these style pages on the crown store FREE for EVERYONE in light of the lockouts and the horrendous grind players have gone through. This event was just one huge issue after another and is leaving a lot of players with less than good feelings.
Just give us these style pages. What would it hurt?
When I said that we were still in the middle of the grind and many players were locked out of playing for most of the event due to the PTS debacle. They had just announced that those that were locked out were going to get them all for free. I thought it would be the fair thing to give them free to everyone and not just those players because of the horrible grind we were still going through. But that didn't happen.
Now here we are and I admit I still feel bitter about it.Edited by SilverBride on January 7, 2025 2:35AMPCNA3 -
sleepy_worm✭✭✭✭✭If nothing else, this will affect my engagement with poorly-considered grinds the devs choose to put in the game going forward. I mean, the experience itself already kind of did that, but knowing it was eventually futile really drives the point home.
If you don't respect my time, you don't get my time.5 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭sleepy_worm wrote: »If nothing else, this will affect my engagement with poorly-considered grinds the devs choose to put in the game going forward. I mean, the experience itself already kind of did that, but knowing it was eventually futile really drives the point home.
If you don't respect my time, you don't get my time.
Honestly, that's why I think this issue is so poloraizing. I am trying really hard to be objective and to be fair towards other players especially. So many people grinded even more than I did (and the amount of grind I did was a punishing level of grind by itself) and didn't get the pages. That's so awful to me.
I don't want players punished any further. I want Zenimax to draw a hard line against doing something like this again. I don't mind grinding but this was awful. And it still really annoys me. I still cannot even enjoy the pages. I had all these cool outfits planned out when I saw this announced and I legit had forgotten them entirely by the end of it. I don't think I had a worse grind experience in this game. Perhaps any game.Edited by spartaxoxo on January 7, 2025 2:48AM5 -
JemadarofCaerSalis✭✭✭✭✭JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »Jordan_Black wrote: »And as for the accusations of selfishness, ridiculous. It's not that I don't want you to have them - it's that I would have rather just waited and gotten them free of effort.
You is absolutely right. And others who didn't spend a ton of time and energy trying to track those things down aren't going to understand. They will jump on here, and I think will say anything to justify anything else, any other way around earning it. Many people didn't want to put in the work, so when they started compensating some folks from not being able to participate due to PTS issues, but then EVERYONE wanted 'their' compensation package. It's funny cause I've worked for things all my life and I'm still waiting for mine. I've spent so much money on this game can I get maybe a fruit basket or somethin'?
There's no way to pin it down and thinking about it will drive you absolutely nanners. Lets just hope... I say again, let's hope against hope that they don't do this again with another set. Next time just hand it out and let us be, please I absolutely emplore you guys to just give 'em away cause you did that anyways, basically. Alot of people were not happy and that's something which in fairness, you just can't ignore forever.
I, for one, spent the time and effort and got all the styles I wanted through the event, and I am glad they are coming back.
I have long learned to dislike 'exclusive' items, even cosmetic, in video games. While I understand *why* they might have them, to me, I far prefer to have things available, even if it requires work to obtain, than have something around for a limited time and retire forever, never to return, even if the game lasts decades.
I have also seen and hated this attitude of 'people just want things handed to them for free' when something like this comes up.
Even with buying them, each one costs 10 tickets, that means that each one is going to take at least 3 days of doing whatever it will take to get tickets to get *one*. If you want more than just one, then that is going to be even longer, and means that you can't buy anything else the event has to offer for sale.
Even if I had known they were coming back and could be bought, I would have still tried to obtain them through the original methods, because there is no telling what life is going to throw at me and whether I will be able to obtain them during the next event they are offered. Plus, again, at 10 tickets each, it means that I wouldn't be able to get anything else I wanted from the event, if there is something.
So, no, it isn't 'free' from effort, it is just a different type of effort than was before, and even though it is *less* effort, it could instead be argued that the original method was *too much* effort, and something like this should have been how it was originally.
There are obviously a considerable number of players out there who feel the same way. So, in this instance and knowing this now, a better strategy would be to not do this again, not make things too exclusive for reasons stated. If you're telling a story or singing a song, better to give the audience what they came for and move on.
I agree, and I am quite glad that ZOS is giving people a chance to obtain items they missed.
Basically, my feelings can be summed up by this: ESO is a game that is meant to be played for fun. It gives a variety of ways for people to go about that, and for some, that includes a 'fashion' minigame where they want to dress their characters up in many different outfits, and thus often need 'exact' finishing touches, such as the perfect sword look, or helmet etc...
Just as people who are into housing often can't just substitute one element for another of a different style, it has to be a specific element.
So, a game realizing that, or seeming to realize that (even if it hasn't) and trying to make previously 'exclusive/hard to get items' less exclusive/hard to get, is something I very much want.
I play another game (not MMO type, but pet site type) that has very few retired items, and most of those aren't actually retired, but are special prizes. All other items can be obtained in different ways. Not easily, nor quickly, not cheaply (depending on the method) but still obtainable.
It makes that game much more fun, especially when one joins the site years after the start of the site, knowing that all those items you can see other people decorate with are still available in some shape or form. Another site, again a pet site, started to move away from their permanently retired model as well, because again, they realized that, seemingly, more people find games where there are few, if any, retired/exclusive items more fun than ones that have items that eventually will go 'extinct' because the few players who obtained them simply left the game.4 -
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✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »I think they need to put these style pages on the crown store FREE for EVERYONE in light of the lockouts and the horrendous grind players have gone through. This event was just one huge issue after another and is leaving a lot of players with less than good feelings.
Just give us these style pages. What would it hurt?
When I said that we were still in the middle of the grind and many players were locked out of playing for most of the event due to the PTS debacle. They had just announced that those that were locked out were going to get them all for free. I thought it would be the fair thing to give them free to everyone and not just those players because of the horrible grind we were still going through. But that didn't happen.
Now here we are and I admit I still feel bitter about it.
The point of the post I pulled the quotes from was to spotlight the conversation from last year where some folks wanted them given out to everyone for free (or drop rates massively increased) at that time and some folks didn't want the time they spent grinding invalidated.
Some folks talked about a middle-ground type option (wait a bit, then introduce a more solid way to obtain), which is now where we're at.
I hope folks that were very vocal (and felt unheard) back then about making these drops fairer have some relief that they were ultimately heard. And those who went through the grind have had nearly a year of exclusivity.
The was only one item I wanted (the staff), I was lucky enough to get it within a few hours (along with 2 others I wasn't trying for) and I'm still happily using it. I'm thrilled other players will finally have a reliable way to get the one(s) they would like to have.
I can't see a better way for ZOS to have handled this (beyond time-traveling back to March 2024 and changing how it worked in the first place
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✭✭liliub17_ESO wrote: »...isn't the "10 Year Anniversary Jubilee" also a full year, though, rather than a one-off event? If so, it would make sense to bring back [name the thing] during that year. Especially since the first go-round was so ill-done.
10th anniversary ended Dec. 31st 2024. It's 2025 now. So this year is the 11th year anniversary.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭liliub17_ESO wrote: »...isn't the "10 Year Anniversary Jubilee" also a full year, though, rather than a one-off event? If so, it would make sense to bring back [name the thing] during that year. Especially since the first go-round was so ill-done.
10th anniversary ended Dec. 31st 2024. It's 2025 now. So this year is the 11th year anniversary.
It's console's 10th year and ZOS officially stated last year that both last year and this year would count as part of the 10 year celebration. The celebration will conclude in June of this year.
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/65839
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LOL apparently that GeForce Now promo is listed as part of this on the anniversary page
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/anniversary
Great way to celebrate console with a PC exclusive promo....Edited by spartaxoxo on January 7, 2025 3:35AM5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As much as a pain those were to grind, I will not begrudge anyone who is able to get them with event tickets.4 -
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✭✭sleepy_worm wrote: »If nothing else, this will affect my engagement with poorly-considered grinds the devs choose to put in the game going forward. I mean, the experience itself already kind of did that, but knowing it was eventually futile really drives the point home.
If you don't respect my time, you don't get my time.
Well said. I'm right there with you. This is just another slap to the face by ZOS in my view. The list of the ways I feel ZOS disrespects my time and $ investment is just getting to be too extensive these days.3 -
Oblivion_Protocol✭✭✭✭✭Dear god. You guys are throwing around words like ‘pain’ and ‘mental frustration’ as though getting these items required fighting a literal PTSD-inducing war. And now some of you are demanding compensation for your time?
It’s a video game. If you’re not having fun with it, put it down and do something else. It’s not supposed to be a “grind” or “work”, and it’s definitely not supposed to the end of the world if someone gets something easier than you did. That’s how society works. Don’t believe me? Ask your grandparents about how easy things were when they were growing up.12 -
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✭Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »Dear god. You guys are throwing around words like ‘pain’ and ‘mental frustration’ as though getting these items required fighting a literal PTSD-inducing war. And now some of you are demanding compensation for your time?
It’s a video game. If you’re not having fun with it, put it down and do something else. It’s not supposed to be a “grind” or “work”, and it’s definitely not supposed to the end of the world if someone gets something easier than you did. That’s how society works. Don’t believe me? Ask your grandparents about how easy things were when they were growing up.
Don't forget the ever popular and hyperbolic "slap in the face."10 -
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✭Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »If you’re not having fun with it, put it down and do something else.
Total agreement.
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KekwLord3000✭✭✭Advocating for items to be unobtainable because you “put in the work” in a video game is wild.
How about we learn from these cancerous FOMO practices and stop making cosmetic rewards limited time? Keep all rewards in the game after they are introduced. Hint: this gives players more incentive to play your game, grind currency’s etc.
ESO has only few items that are exclusive to never be gotten again (like the pet monkey and the tiger mount), people assumed with how the grind was the weapons will be exclusive, the whole idea is to offer them as unique 10 year trophy for people who played at that exact time (just like the anniversary cakes) why not make the cakes also open for everyone? why is the 2016 cake locked for people who played eso during 2016's jubilee, why not make the cake purchasable for everyone?
We aren't talking about some unique set, just cosmetics, there isn't much stuff ingame that we can collect that aren't locked in the crown store finally we had a hard grind item (last one was probably the asylum polymorph in 2017). Releasing exclusive content that never returns is a great way to reward loyal costumers to show off they played the game long enough just like wow having mounts that aren't accessible anymore.
Let's be honest besides the trial mounts there isn't much you can flex, and even those aren't that exclusive as you can always get them (assuming you are good enough)1 -
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✭I am maybe one of few players in this game that actually enjoy to grind for rare items it gives a great reason to play that specifik content that it drops from.
I would never farm geysers the way I did if it didnt have a rare drop like that and the feeling when you got it was great, I have never seen players in Guild chat so happy over a stylepage when they finally got them.
Players that do not enjoy the grind or dont want to put down the time and effort to get them can simply skip them because its style pages and not game changing items that will make your char stronger in anyway.
I had a feeling Zos would give these away in Crownstore later but they were smart and selling them for tickets instead.
That the style pages drops again this event is fine for me but Zos should have kept the droprate and made them tradeable so you could trade or share with your friends.Edited by XSTRONG on January 7, 2025 1:28PM0 -
Wereswan✭✭✭✭Hapexamendios wrote: »As much as a pain those were to grind, I will not begrudge anyone who is able to get them with event tickets.
This. The abyssal geyser grind in particular was so awful that it seems weird there's anyone begrudging folks the ability to just buy these pages and skip it.4 -
JemadarofCaerSalis✭✭✭✭✭I am maybe one of few players in this game that actually enjoy to grind for rare items it gives a great reason to play that specifik content that it drops from.
I would never farm geysers the way I did if it didnt have a rare drop like that and the feeling when you got it was great, I have never seen players in Guild chat so happy over a stylepage when they finally got them.
Players that do not enjoy the grind or dont want to put down the time and effort to get them can simply skip them because its style pages and not game changing items that will make your char stronger in anyway.
I had a feeling Zos would give these away in Crownstore later but they were smart and selling them for tickets instead.
That the style pages drops again this event is fine for me but Zos should have kept the droprate and made them tradeable so you could trade or share with your friends.
For me, there is a difference between grinding for 'rare items' and grinding for items that are rare, bound, and potentially will never be released again.
I have no issues with grinding for rare items, provided they aren't going to retire, especially in such a short time. It can be fun to grind and get that rare drop and be like 'finally, I am finished!' (then realize, no you aren't, there are other rare drops you want)
It isn't fun to be grinding, and have a ticking countdown to when the rare item 'retires' and knowing that your time is running out to obtain said item. Especially when there isn't any other way to obtain them (because they are bound to the account that found them)
When you add in multiple activities to do within that same time frame, for other items that likely will retire forever? It loses the 'fun' aspect pretty quickly, especially when RNG doesn't seem to favor you or you have a very limited time (due to real life) to actually grind.
That is why I am happy that players are being given another chance, one that *doesn't* have the same droprate issues, and one that has an alternative to get them.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Jordan_Black wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »They can be brought this time for event tickets.
lame
Awesome. I mean, that I'll actually be able to get them this time.
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✭✭✭✭✭AngryPenguin wrote: »Elvenheart wrote: »AngryPenguin wrote: »Why doesn't ZOS release the tiger mount for purchase with crowns too? (everyone who has this mount will totally understand what I'm trying to say. These were limited time availability items that we were told would never be available again)
We were never told the style pages would never be available again. In fact, for the past number of years with the way things come back on the Impressario it would have been normal to assume the style pages would be back at some point, possibly during the next anniversary event. Now, I didn’t want to count on that assumption myself so I put in all the work it took to grind for them. That was my choice. I still hate the way the anniversary was done and like many others hope that ZOS never ever does anything like this again. But if them making the the styles available this way is the result of all the complaining so many people including myself did during the anniversary event, then I’m happy, and I’m happy for the ones that can get them now.
It was certainly implied if not stated that these style pages would only be available during the 10th anniversary event.
Except, they announced last year that the 10-Year Celebration would last into 2025, so even though the Anniversary Event is long over, this is still technically part of the 10-Year Anniversary. And considering how much criticism and negativity was expressed because of those specific rewards and how extremely low their drop rates were, it's nice that those of us who also did some grinding but didn't get all of the rewards will now be able to do so. I only did limited amounts of grinding myself, but I know of others who were grinding just as much or more as others were and they couldn't get all of the pages to drop.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
Kyip✭✭✭✭Personally I am in favor of cosmetics *not* being gated behind super awful drop rates.
Edit: Super awful drop rates during a limited-time window. Like, low drop rates added to base game, that's fair.Edited by Kyip on January 7, 2025 6:02PMGrim Focus Permaglow is still a problem: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/641376/grim-focus-permaglow1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭sleepy_worm wrote: »If nothing else, this will affect my engagement with poorly-considered grinds the devs choose to put in the game going forward. I mean, the experience itself already kind of did that, but knowing it was eventually futile really drives the point home.
If you don't respect my time, you don't get my time.
Well said. I'm right there with you. This is just another slap to the face by ZOS in my view. The list of the ways I feel ZOS disrespects my time and $ investment is just getting to be too extensive these days.
It seems like everything ZOS does to try to give us something awesome and fun is going to get reacted to by somebody as "it's just another slap in the face," or "it's just another example of how they disrespect me." If it doesn't upset Group A, then it's going to upset Group B.
It seems to me that ZOS is the one getting slapped in the face and being disrespected. But what do I know? I'm just an idiot who enjoys playing ESO and having fun. And I'm not trying to minimize anyone else's feelings, or their right to be unhappy and bitter if that's how they feel. I'm just sad to see that that's how they feel.
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✭✭✭✭✭DenverRalphy wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »It was implied that these items were part of the 10 year Anniversary Jubilee.
Players begged for some help with these horrible drop rates. We begged for some communication but we didn't get it. They could have said "These may be available again in the future." But we were left to believe it was now it never.
The whole thing was handled very poorly.
I'm of the opinion that at the time they probably hadn't even considered putting them back in game so soon, and certainly not earlier than the next Jubilee. I'd bet dollars to donuts that this development is more of a "Kiss and make up" decision. Because yeah, the whole endeavor was a chaotic mess.
I got the impression it was a one time thing but we will never know for sure I guess. I was lucky to get the drops and I don’t begrudge it being easier for people this time. I don’t care to grind for another slightly different version either, that’s just more insanity. I still feel like the players deserved an apology for how the whole “celebration” was handled but this is all we will get I guess.
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✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »It seems to me that ZOS is the one getting slapped in the face and being disrespected. But what do I know? I'm just an idiot who enjoys playing ESO and having fun. And I'm not trying to minimize anyone else's feelings, or their right to be unhappy and bitter if that's how they feel. I'm just sad to see that that's how they feel.
Slapped by over a billion dollars of “disrespect” so far.
When people invest their time and money, they naturally develop expectations. Personally, I grew tired of seeing diminishing returns on my investment, so I chose to move on.
I stay active here on the forums in the hope of seeing changes that make it worth returning.Edited by Lyraen_Skyforge on January 7, 2025 10:12PM1 -
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✭✭I guess I have finally learned that I need first ask, what benefits ZOS most before I believe anything. In this case hinting that this was a one time only thing drove up engagement numberers. Then providing the (mostly) same thing later will also drive up numbers. Good for ZOS, just keep that in mind.
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✭JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »Jordan_Black wrote: »And as for the accusations of selfishness, ridiculous. It's not that I don't want you to have them - it's that I would have rather just waited and gotten them free of effort.
You is absolutely right. And others who didn't spend a ton of time and energy trying to track those things down aren't going to understand. They will jump on here, and I think will say anything to justify anything else, any other way around earning it. Many people didn't want to put in the work, so when they started compensating some folks from not being able to participate due to PTS issues, but then EVERYONE wanted 'their' compensation package. It's funny cause I've worked for things all my life and I'm still waiting for mine. I've spent so much money on this game can I get maybe a fruit basket or somethin'?
There's no way to pin it down and thinking about it will drive you absolutely nanners. Lets just hope... I say again, let's hope against hope that they don't do this again with another set. Next time just hand it out and let us be, please I absolutely emplore you guys to just give 'em away cause you did that anyways, basically. Alot of people were not happy and that's something which in fairness, you just can't ignore forever.
I, for one, spent the time and effort and got all the styles I wanted through the event, and I am glad they are coming back.
I have long learned to dislike 'exclusive' items, even cosmetic, in video games. While I understand *why* they might have them, to me, I far prefer to have things available, even if it requires work to obtain, than have something around for a limited time and retire forever, never to return, even if the game lasts decades.
I have also seen and hated this attitude of 'people just want things handed to them for free' when something like this comes up.
Even with buying them, each one costs 10 tickets, that means that each one is going to take at least 3 days of doing whatever it will take to get tickets to get *one*. If you want more than just one, then that is going to be even longer, and means that you can't buy anything else the event has to offer for sale.
Even if I had known they were coming back and could be bought, I would have still tried to obtain them through the original methods, because there is no telling what life is going to throw at me and whether I will be able to obtain them during the next event they are offered. Plus, again, at 10 tickets each, it means that I wouldn't be able to get anything else I wanted from the event, if there is something.
So, no, it isn't 'free' from effort, it is just a different type of effort than was before, and even though it is *less* effort, it could instead be argued that the original method was *too much* effort, and something like this should have been how it was originally.
There are obviously a considerable number of players out there who feel the same way. So, in this instance and knowing this now, a better strategy would be to not do this again, not make things too exclusive for reasons stated. If you're telling a story or singing a song, better to give the audience what they came for and move on.
I agree, and I am quite glad that ZOS is giving people a chance to obtain items they missed.
Basically, my feelings can be summed up by this: ESO is a game that is meant to be played for fun. It gives a variety of ways for people to go about that, and for some, that includes a 'fashion' minigame where they want to dress their characters up in many different outfits, and thus often need 'exact' finishing touches, such as the perfect sword look, or helmet etc...
Just as people who are into housing often can't just substitute one element for another of a different style, it has to be a specific element.
So, a game realizing that, or seeming to realize that (even if it hasn't) and trying to make previously 'exclusive/hard to get items' less exclusive/hard to get, is something I very much want.
I play another game (not MMO type, but pet site type) that has very few retired items, and most of those aren't actually retired, but are special prizes. All other items can be obtained in different ways. Not easily, nor quickly, not cheaply (depending on the method) but still obtainable.
It makes that game much more fun, especially when one joins the site years after the start of the site, knowing that all those items you can see other people decorate with are still available in some shape or form. Another site, again a pet site, started to move away from their permanently retired model as well, because again, they realized that, seemingly, more people find games where there are few, if any, retired/exclusive items more fun than ones that have items that eventually will go 'extinct' because the few players who obtained them simply left the game.
Oh yeah, it's always a good feeling when you've worked hard at something and finally accomplished your goals. No reason not to let people work for something if that's what they want to do. And to that end I can remember the first time I beheld a certain Vet Trials Set in my inventory. While I do think they should offer those bobbles again, I also hope we are not tempted with another exhausting grind in pursuit of them. Edited by Vulkunne on January 8, 2025 3:30AMThank you for your attention to this matter.0 -
Soraka✭✭✭✭✭I remember the issues with the drops and how frustrated people were, and all the usual arguing on the forums and pleading with ZOS for changes and/or info and getting silence.
This is a good example of why it would have been nice to have a response when multiple people asked for confirmation that the pages would be exclusive or not. A lot of people thought they weren't coming back. A lot thought they may but were worried about risking it. Many people expressed frustration and felt this ruined their ability to enjoy the event. Maybe they could have celebrated during the celebration more if they had known.
Perhaps zos saw how upset people were and decided to do this. I guess we won't know because they didn't communicate.
Edited by Soraka on January 8, 2025 4:13AM6 -
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✭✭✭✭So, y'all know the Soul-Shriven Skin and Stonefire Scamp Pet that you can get from the center of IC by beating up Molag Bal's projection thingy? Years ago there was an event that iirc doubled the chance for you to get those items, but even then getting them was BS because the drop rate on them is so low to begin with. I remember myself and some friends grinded like mad during that event, and we all were able, by some miracle, to get both boxes.
And then it happened that both of these things eventually wound up being able to get bought for Event Tickets. From what I see on the UESP page, supposedly the event that doubled the drops was also when you could initially buy the two things for tickets? Though I could swear I remember grinding during at least that first event and you couldn't buy them, that the ability to buy them for tickets was added AFTER the first event? Idk, I have an awful memory, so it could be I'm misremembering some and we grinded like mad for those boxes outside of an event...
ANYWAY, my main point is we got the Boxes before you could buy their drops with tickets. Them being made purchasable didn't bother me though, because other people getting them for effectively much less effort a) didn't diminish MY effort, and in fact I could say I "earned" mine for having grinded for them, and b) I didn't feel unfair that other people could get some nice cosmetics without having to spend potentially dozens and dozens and dozens of hours farming for them.
I find it so odd when other people feel like someone being able to get something for less effort diminishes their own effort put forth. Like I remember beating Vet Falkreath Hall with friends before Domihaus got nerfed into Oblivion. I wasn't upset though, I was proud that I had been able to do something with my friends that so many others were having such a hard time with that the boss was made easier.
I totally agree with the frustration of having put in a lot of effort for something that you wouldn't have otherwise done if you'd known something would be coming back in the future. But I think it might be better for peoples'...well maybe mental health is a stretch to call it, so uh...I think a more positive outlook would just do people better. Don't look at it like "now people will get it for less effort than I put in", look at it as "I can at least take pride in knowing I DID put in a lot of work and truly earned what I have". Because no amount of being upset over it is going to change anything, and other people being able to get what you have doesn't take away your own access to it.
Personally I had to miss last year's Jubilee for a variety of reasons, the biggest because I didn't have access to a computer thanks to some pretty cruddy life circumstances. I'm glad these things are being brought back so I have a chance at grabbing them.Edited by Arunei on January 8, 2025 7:06AMPC-NA | Been around since closed beta
Avid RPer. Hit me up in-game @Ras_Lei if you're interested in getting together for some arr-pee shenanigans!
RP Characters:
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Vampire who really really REALLY likes likes learning Magick and also her Altmer husbando
Kaalhil Swiftstrike: Tiny shapeshifting monster hunter Bosmeri lady with enough sass to kill a dragon or ten
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Friendly healer with a coffee addiction and her own medical practice
Krisiel: Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things and is also a spy and ALSO a Werewolf
Niralae Elsinal: Young Altmeri woman with way too much Magicka and Vampire husbando
Slondor: TESified Slenderman, except lazier and has more of a thing for deals than Clavicus Vile does
Marius Vastino: Sarah's Imperial apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Lirawyn Calatare: Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Soliril Larethian: Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time5 -
Ingel_Riday✭✭✭✭✭Good to know that they'll be available for people.
Personally, those RNG anniversary styles drove me up the wall. This game has spent years cultivating an end-game that can be summed up as fashion-scrolls, and that's all well and good... but gadzooks. FOMO mixed with horrendously low RNG and no mercy mechanics. I went to the Amsterdam event. I've been playing this game for 8.5 of its 10 years. I have every motif except ancestral Akaviri. I wanted those styles. Enough to bash my head against a wall.
30 hours of dolmens to get the staff. I can't even look at the style page without sneering. I've never used it. 20 hours of geysers to get nothing. Had so many people in-game and on the forums either snidely tell me that it was a skill issue (I got it on my second geyser, newb. Get gud) or inform me that I was a pathetic addict and loser for not giving up that I snapped, gave in to the obvious bait, snarled like a fiend on these forums, and got several warnings (none of which I have bothered to read in full. Me was a bad boy. Me get it).
Oh, and I clicked my stupid primary mouse button so many times, with such increasing hatred, that I broke my gaming mouse. It was great. Pure grade MMO slop. Have never come closer to quitting this game (again).
I've had people ask me if I recommend this game. I frown, say it depends... and these style pages come up as one of my negative caveats. "Great community, mostly fun writing (which overtly veers more and more towards "clearly written with HR in the room" as you get closer and closer to present day content drops), and better than expected gameplay mechanics... but I hope you're ready to be part of a constant psychological experiment, as the game tests to see how much FOMO it can get away with before you snap like a twig. [cue anecdote]."
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TLDR: good, these should be available for people. I'd be happy if even more things became readily available to people. I thought the following as I was decking out my new warden: "My armor style is from an event that happened two years ago, and only briefly became available again during the Legacy of the Bretons event. New people are completely out of luck. Neither the Legacy of the Bretons nor the High Isle celebration are likely to repeat for at least ANOTHER TWO YEARS, at best. My staff is from a premium weapon skin bundle that has only been available three times in the past 6 years, each time for only a month. Ugh."
If I was a new player, it'd be discouraging to know how many things I missed out on and have little to no chance of actually earning (or even buying for actual cash). I'm not a prestige-kiddo. I'd rather everyone have access to my six-month subscriber Loyal Dwarven Sphere from 2014-2015 than be the only old-timer in my guild enjoying the goofy thing (and I was thrilled when a variant got added as a non-FOMO pet). *shrug*
Edit addition: To be real, I'm still kind of burned out... all these months later. With the daily rewards and FOMO events every two to three weeks, I never really got the full month or two off that I needed after that thing. If ZOS announced that a month was going to have zero events and just consumable potions for daily rewards, I'd probably gleefully smile, uninstall the game to remove all temptation, and take up crochet. I'd come back to this thing happier, haha.Edited by Ingel_Riday on January 8, 2025 7:16AM3 -
PapaTankers✭✭✭✭That's a crazy sentiment. There are so many people that worked even harder for those pages and never got them.
There are some people that got the pages on the first try. It was just RNG. Im glad they are back.
I used to run after every monster style page. In some cases I did a dungeon 40+ times and never got the drop while some people got it on their first try.
I'm not going to ruin my sanity for another monster style page. Im happy you can get them for archival fortunes now.
If some people decided during that event that it was worth grinding out the pages on those drop rates then thats on them. It's hard to feel sorry about something you decided to do to yourself.
What next?
Let's take away everyones curates maelstrom staffs, because back when I grinded them they were not curated?9