Endgame : PvP, and also adding PvE "adventure zone" with 4 and 12 person content. Vet dungeons can also be done for v10 gear. Just because you arent at max level when doing the content, that makes it a grind instead of endgame? I would think it would be a grind if you were max level and just doing it for gear instead.

Lacking content: Theives guild and dark brotherhood are slated to be added to the game. I believe they also mentioned housing at something theyre looking into adding.

High risk, low reward: That's funny because others have stated that the risk is way too low for dying(and i tend to agree with that sentiment). Gold is easy to come by through regular gameplay. I purchased the 42k gold horse around level 40 doing nothing more than quests and grinding.

Bots: I personally havent had any issues with them, but sorry for those that have. Spam was worse in other MMOs ive been apart of(FFXIV was rediculous), but they are working on the issue and over time itll settle down.

So basically I do not agree with any of your statements. MMOs do not get released with 2+ years worth of content, it simply isn't financially possible. The average player is not V10 waiting for content to be released(I am, but spending my time in pvp until 1.1).


You do realize that a monthly fee is in part to keep adding content to the game right? That concept seems to have flown right over your head. This is just a OMG ESO SHOULD BE FTP thread.

Rofaka wrote: »

• No endgame; This game only raises the cap with so called 'veteran ranks' and adds new content, making the endgame a never ending grindstone.
• not living up to it's predecessors; the game is lacking content which was expected by the community, because this content was in previous elder scrolls titles. e.g. Housing, Thieving guild, Dark Brotherhood, multiple schools of magic such as Illusion and Alteration, a barbershop or ANY way of altering the looks of your character.
• High risk, low reward; dying in this game will cost you a ton of gold. Other content such as horses and character rebuilding cost a ton of gold. This wouldn't be a problem if the drop rate of gold wasn't so low. 1-2 gold for a kill with the price of a decent horse being over 40k.
• Bots; I've seen games die because of this. While I am grateful that this issue is being worked on constantly, this will not stop. Simply because of the above reason. You can buy a horse of the webstore, or you can spend the same amount and buy 3 horses. Why do I know? spam advertisement in game.

Engame, sorry but every endgame is a grind, this might be never-ending, but it's not that different really, feels different but isn't.

Not Living up to it's predecessors, those guilds will be added later, as will barbershop. But the magic, sorry that won't happen, the spells/abilities are set for game balance, previous TES games have not worried about balance since they are single player games, so you won't get the classic spells. The might introduce scrolls and maybe some spells later though.

High Risk, Low Reward, gold sinks are needed to keep the ingame economy from inflating. I do think the horses are overpriced though, ridiculously so.

Bots, I agree they need to do something about them, personally my favourite is to ban both the goldsellers and the buyers. If you get banned for buying off a dodgy website, then people won't risk it. (ironic since they give FINANCIAL information to them without thinking, god save us from the brainless).

This game isn't worth the monthly fee. I wasn't against it when the game was announced, but having bought and played the game, this game is not worth it.

Then you wont need to bother with any of this in future. Your sub will run out tonight and you can go play a different MMO, no offence

[*] No endgame; This game only raises the cap with so called 'veteran ranks' and adds new content, making the endgame a never ending grindstone.

The so called Endgame, is actually huge at ESO. Bigger than at any MMO that was released in the past 8 years.

ZO is giving us a char development system which has much more depth than any raid and gear only content currently has. Not only do you have 10 VR´s + more VR´s coming so that you discover new lore and quests, no you also increase the power of your char by actually exploring the world.

Besides Ultima Online and a few minor MMO´s, no MMO offered this in the past. You actually see a point in doing a dungeon, a raid or a quest. Your char gets stronger and learns new skills, this is a very good approach by ZO and guarantee's you many months of fun and if they keep up with it - then you actually wont burn out like in raid only games.


I understand that there are players who prefer to kill the same 12 cave dwellers every week in their raid instance to receive shiny epics - but guys wake up. This isn't how MMO´s once worked, we didn't even had raid dungeons at Ultima.

This is something that came much later and Blizzard made this type of gameplay to their motto after they stole it from EQ, but does this mean every new MMO must be exactly the same?

I say, if you want to grind these 12 cave dwellers every week for 5 or more months, then you can do this at MMO`s which are designed for that. ESO however, doesn't seem to be like that. Give the game a chance to be different or leave.

[*] not living up to it's predecessors; the game is lacking content which was expected by the community, because this content was in previous elder scrolls titles. e.g. Housing, Thieving guild, Dark Brotherhood, multiple schools of magic such as Illusion and Alteration, a barbershop or ANY way of altering the looks of your character.

That we don't have housing is indeed an issue, in my books a priority issue but this isn't about me. All the other things are coming soon, I assume with the next content patch in summer or after. You should check the interviews with the lead design team, they mention everything you miss.

[*] High risk, low reward; dying in this game will cost you a ton of gold. Other content such as horses and character rebuilding cost a ton of gold. This wouldn't be a problem if the drop rate of gold wasn't so low. 1-2 gold for a kill with the price of a decent horse being over 40k.

You know, at Ultima you killed a wolf or it killed you, they were as tough as a world boss or elite mob in MMO´s today, for a new Char. The amount of bandages that you needed couldn't be count on a single hand. Yet these creatures didn't drop anything and players still fought them knowing that.

MMO players today are entitled and want huge rewards for everything they do. I am glad that ZO didn't go that way of instant gratification. I don't own a horse yet, so what?

My chars all have 2 legs and can walk just fine. As further we are away from a reward, as more we will be happy once we get it.

Do you know how happy I was when I got a sword at Ultima after several months up to years? You valued things in a totally different way there and compared to UO, ESO still hands out way too much for my liking, but this is ok. In a system like at UO most players would be lost

Besides that, MMO`s are about the journey not the destination so don't think about what you can get, but how you can have a good time.

[*] Bots; I've seen games die because of this. While I am grateful that this issue is being worked on constantly, this will not stop. Simply because of the above reason. You can buy a horse of the webstore, or you can spend the same amount and buy 3 horses. Why do I know? spam advertisement in game.

Blizzard still owns the crown if it comes to the amount of bots in their games. D2 was incredible bad, D3 is decent but they still exist and WoW? Oh well, they are everywhere and extremely annoying.

At ESO I see a bot once in a while, its not as bad anymore as it was on release where you had them sitting in dungeons by large numbers. I honestly think ZO is doing a decent job there but sure they can always improve, but no MMO will ever be Bot free.
Addon´s and their API are the entry ticket to bots and multiboxing, but not the only reason for it. Would you play an MMO without addons? I sure as hell would, but guess what? The forum would be full of people complaining about missing addon support... ZO will always be blamed for something


In the end I think that ESO might just not be your type of game and this you need to accept. Look, I don't like GW2 either so ya I don't play it. That's how it is and the amount of MMO`s is huge so we can all play the MMO that we feel suits us best.

The days are over where we had to dwell at forums demanding that things are catered to our needs, as we had no other options. Either you like a game or you don't, people should stop trying to turn games which they obviously don't like into something that they might like in future.


I miss housing a lot, but the positives at ESO still outweigh the negatives so I stick around and enjoy the game.

I agree with it all, but unfortunately for those wanting more vet content to be released i really wish they would scrap 1.1 to fix the current batch of bugs errors and faults that are making the game unplayable for alot of people.

Before you add more content try fixing what is broken and has been broken since the first open beta test.

Either that or roll back to launch day with all the fixes and have everyone start on an even footing instead of the people that screwed the system being allowed to keep there illgained vr10 ranks. i think the first one i saw was 4 hours after early acess launch for vr10 and that toon i see in chat every day so account hassnt been banned

name one other mmo that has had these bugs or worse and has not done a rollback

so since zenimax seems to support the flagrant abuse going on in game and dont give a crap about the collateral damage there so called fixes screw over, sorry, already looking for another game.

As for there customer service i have one thing to say

btw zeni still waiting for those 16 callback request phone call's lodged between early access launch and now. Not one call, not one non generic email not once has the call centre answered a call when there has been a real issue

All they care about is how much they can screw out of us prior to it going f2p.

Am done

My favorite part was when OP said that all his issues are with content that has been said to be coming soon...

Seems he's also only played on a 'seasoned' game...I know there are issues, But at least I give it a 3-4 month buffer zone after launch as time for them to clean it up and follow up on their claims of incoming content.

Oh, and I have had no issues with gold so far... if you play right, you don't die too often enough to run out of gold... or even slow it's amassing much...

Bots are thinning out, how many MMO's have you played where the End Game is within the first month of release(?), They are adding spell creation, housing, crime system, thieves guild, dark brotherhood, if you think death is punishing then you die way too much and should relearn your class, I have so much gold from just farming and questing I splurge on crap I don't really need, reward for killing things is far greater than any MMO I have ever played, and I do agree with you on one thing, the gameplay is a lot of fun. GIVE THE GAME SOME TIME PEOPLE IT HAS ONLY BEEN ONE MONTH!!!!!

laced wrote: »

Nooblet wrote: »

Endgame : PvP, and also adding PvE "adventure zone" with 4 and 12 person content. Vet dungeons can also be done for v10 gear. Just because you arent at max level when doing the content, that makes it a grind instead of endgame? I would think it would be a grind if you were max level and just doing it for gear instead.

Lacking content: Theives guild and dark brotherhood are slated to be added to the game. I believe they also mentioned housing at something theyre looking into adding.

High risk, low reward: That's funny because others have stated that the risk is way too low for dying(and i tend to agree with that sentiment). Gold is easy to come by through regular gameplay. I purchased the 42k gold horse around level 40 doing nothing more than quests and grinding.

Bots: I personally havent had any issues with them, but sorry for those that have. Spam was worse in other MMOs ive been apart of(FFXIV was rediculous), but they are working on the issue and over time itll settle down.

So basically I do not agree with any of your statements. MMOs do not get released with 2+ years worth of content, it simply isn't financially possible. The average player is not V10 waiting for content to be released(I am, but spending my time in pvp until 1.1).


You do realize that a monthly fee is in part to keep adding content to the game right? That concept seems to have flown right over your head. This is just a OMG ESO SHOULD BE FTP thread.

Really, 40 levels before you can get a mount, you just proved him right by saying that.

I agree with the OP, 2 gold per kill is simply ridiculous.

I had enough to buy it around 35, but didnt want to spend it all till i had some extra and was sure on which one to buy. I had enough to buy the 17k mount around level 20. Level 40 is not even 1/3 of the way through leveling, so it doesnt really seem like too long to buy the fastest horse.

I recall very few games that gold drops from monsters are the main source of income. Almost all games money comes from item drops(either selling or breaking down), crafting, or gathering. ESO is no different than most.

Rofaka wrote: »

• No endgame; This game only raises the cap with so called 'veteran ranks' and adds new content, making the endgame a never ending grindstone.

I stopped reading there and seriously doubt you are a "seasoned mmo player".

I'm fairly pleased with endgame and pvp, you can do group dungeons for gear, craft, build alliance points etc, so progression is possible and rewarding, it just takes more time and effort.