Soloeus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

You could run a templar on a laptop next to you and do nothing but pop heals with it while you farm somewhere. Hes not a bot nor is he doing anything unlegit. Pretty simple example.

Dont paint one thing to be another. The game doesnt need to support multiboxing with /follow commands to allow it. /follow wasnt invented for multiboxing either.

I already addressed your fallacy.

5. There is no sufficient reason to need more than one account logged in at the same time. I don't care if you have 2 monitors, or 2 computers without multi-boxing the end result is the same. This is a teleological argument, not a deontological one, but you probably don't know the difference. Method doesn't matter, end result does.

There is no sufficient reason to need more than one for you, but maybe for another. Reason 1) Player can acheive double the loot by running 2 chars while leveling. Reason 2) Player can handle AOEing massive pulls by himself using his templar for burst heals while he wouldnt have any other way to work that into his own char.

Sure it makes people mad. But its no different than 2 people playing next to each other, and one of those people doing a lot less work than the other. You won't really be able to prove its just 1 person.

Botting/macroing is another story, but these are completely seperate to the above. If youre going to whine about something, make sure you dont broadly incorporate those not responsible for what youre complaining about.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

There is no sufficient reason to need more than one for you, but maybe for another. Reason 1) Player can acheive double the loot by running 2 chars while leveling. Reason 2) Player can handle AOEing massive pulls by himself using his templar for burst heals while he wouldnt have any other way to work that into his own char.

Wrong, Fengrush.

1) Players should only be allowed to achieve things on one character at a time.
2) This is a good example of why Multi-Clienting itself is a bad thing.

imagine a pvp zone where 20 players controlling 2 characters each run in together doing that. It would destroy the balance of the game and give that faction (and any skirmish these players are in) a massive advantage in manpower.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Sure it makes people mad. But its no different than 2 people playing next to each other, and one of those people doing a lot less work than the other. You won't really be able to prove its just 1 person.

Wrong, Fengrush.

1) It makes people mad because it is cheating.
2) It is very different. 2 actual people playing together is the intended design.
3) Which goes into the need for blocking Multi-Boxing.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Botting/macroing is another story, but these are completely seperate to the above. If youre going to whine about something, make sure you dont broadly incorporate those not responsible for what youre complaining about.

These are a connected issue. Multi-Boxing is the first gateway into using a bot. Without this, things get much more complicated for the would-be botter. Also, if you are going to accuse someone of whining to justify cheating, make sure that you yourself are not whining. I am complaining that this imminent issue needs fixed at once. You are complaining that I don't want people getting unfair advantages over others.

Soloeus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

There is no sufficient reason to need more than one for you, but maybe for another. Reason 1) Player can acheive double the loot by running 2 chars while leveling. Reason 2) Player can handle AOEing massive pulls by himself using his templar for burst heals while he wouldnt have any other way to work that into his own char.

Wrong, Fengrush.

1) Players should only be allowed to achieve things on one character at a time.
2) This is a good example of why Multi-Clienting itself is a bad thing.

imagine a pvp zone where 20 players controlling 2 characters each run in together doing that. It would destroy the balance of the game and give that faction (and any skirmish these players are in) a massive advantage in manpower.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Sure it makes people mad. But its no different than 2 people playing next to each other, and one of those people doing a lot less work than the other. You won't really be able to prove its just 1 person.

Wrong, Fengrush.

1) It makes people mad because it is cheating.
2) It is very different. 2 actual people playing together is the intended design.
3) Which goes into the need for blocking Multi-Boxing.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Botting/macroing is another story, but these are completely seperate to the above. If youre going to whine about something, make sure you dont broadly incorporate those not responsible for what youre complaining about.

These are a connected issue. Multi-Boxing is the first gateway into using a bot. Without this, things get much more complicated for the would-be botter. Also, if you are going to accuse someone of whining to justify cheating, make sure that you yourself are not whining. I am complaining that this imminent issue needs fixed at once. You are complaining that I don't want people getting unfair advantages over others.

1) Players should only be allowed to achieve things on one character at a time.

Why? Says who? You. This is how almost every argument is put together in this thread. Some would argue theyre working twice as hard playing 2 chars.

imagine a pvp zone where 20 players controlling 2 characters each run in together doing that. It would destroy the balance of the game and give that faction (and any skirmish these players are in) a massive advantage in manpower.


If 20 people were controlling chars the way Im describing in PvP, in this game, they would get crushed by the player who notices one of them standing around idle. Alternatively, they could backup and realize that he can only chase with 1 char. If theyre scripting or botting, its easy to spot, and this is completely different and entirely easy to report/ban. Dont confuse the two.



1) It makes people mad because it is cheating.
2) It is very different. 2 actual people playing together is the intended design.

Sure, everyone playing their own char is the intended design, but people can play how they want until the rules are stated otherwise. If the rules dont have anything against multiboxing, which there isnt unless you try to interpret their rules in a very vague fashion as many have, then its just your opinion to construe it as 'cheating'.

If I play next to my wife and she goes to make food and I continue EXPing while shes away, am I now cheating? Shes sitting there idle and Im picking up her share of loot, but Im just soloing the area. Suddenly, I have began cheating. Or am I still doing what 1 person can humanly do without any 3rd party assistance?


These are a connected issue. Multi-Boxing is the first gateway into using a bot. Without this, things get much more complicated for the would-be botter. Also, if you are going to accuse someone of whining to justify cheating, make sure that you yourself are not whining. I am complaining that this imminent issue needs fixed at once. You are complaining that I don't want people getting unfair advantages over others.

Multi-boxing is at best a gateway into macro play. Botting is running things entirely automated via 3rd party. Youre not well informed on the issue but youre extremely opinionated. You are indeed whining, but to say Im complaining about those trying to stop others from gaining an unfair advantage is far off-target. I have no skin in the game on this matter, I wouldnt multi box in this game nor is it easy to do so. Im merely diving into another thread where people use the word "MULTIBOX" as a means to define all of those who use bots and furthermore cheat/sell gold etc.

Try to stop and realize the issue which is bots, which is entirely up to ZOS to put a handle on. You dont need anymore threads complaining about people multiboxing. OP likely cannot provide any pictures to back up his claims of "I have seen many in zone chat admit to "multi-boxing" where you have 3-4 instances of the game running".

aufischb16_ESO wrote: »

@Fengrush. We get that multiboxing in other MMO's can be interesting (even though it is my personal opinion that it is just a glorified method for making it easier on the player, thus cheating).
But we all KNOW that multiboxing in ESO is not really feasible. The question still is; if it is not really useful in game (except for "farming") then why do you so object to canning it altogether?
Do you have any proof that it is not being exploited, that not some of those bots are running on multiboxed machines (saves on hardware cost for those professional botters) ? Or that the OP lied?

You cant really stop multiboxing though, and its not the issue. Stopping bots cant be done manually either when they replenish automatically. You need a good automated system for detection with low false positives backed by good network policy. Doubt they have anything good for either.

I paid for my college making and running bots. Bots are run through a seperate program. You wont log in and see the game. That kills pc resources. Where as a bot prog is pretty low resource and you can run 50 - 100+. Now im employed for hunting and killing botnets for a living.