Toppling charge is not a charged ability, and now you can taunt with your gap closer & major protection proc. Should think a bit before making long posts like this.

There are a lot of times where I'd like to be able to run my class gap closer and interrupt as a DD, *without* taunting enemies at the same time.

edit: if anything only one morph should have a taunt, like chains of devastation vs unrelenting grip.

I use Focused Charge as a DPS for fights that need interrupts, so I find this change disappointing and unhelpful. It's nice that Templar tanks are getting some attention though, and I see how the Major Protection + taunt could replace Puncture, but the gap closer element means it couldn't replace Inner Rage.

If we needed a charge taunt, there would be a taunt morph of Shield Charge.

Yeah... as a solo player... I used Explosive Charge solely as a gap closer and because it's fun to use. I mean, it's a lot more fun than... I'm going to walk up to the enemies over there and attack them... I prefer, I'm going to surprise those enemies over there by launching at them before they can spot me. Having a taunt isn't going to bother my use of it one way or another, because obviously as a solo player we tend to be the enemies focus- unless of course we have a tank companion- whose job it is to draw aggro. But in my case, the only time I use a tank companion is when I'm not going to need to launch myself across the area to attack.

As someone who templar tanked/fake tanked/DPS'd/tanked again in dungeons for a few years, I can say it would be nice to have a tool in the templar toolkit for taunting (i played around with that taunt set and explosive charge for a bit, it was fun).

that said, it SHOULD NOT be toppling charge. Toppling charge is a reliable stun/gap closer/interrupt. Yes, I get it that it gives major prot and tanks are slow blah blah blah. how often do tanks want to stun on a gap close? in my experience, you usually want to taunt and wrangle things up, and once things are wrangled, stun/CC/whatever. meaning putting things on CC immunity via your gap closer is counter intuitive.

I mostly pvp now, so the changes to taunts really dont effect me. but I can see this 'added utility' to a skill that was given adjustments pretty much for pvp, taking away the good parts of it later down the road (oh, since its a taunt, and taunts are powerful, we dont need toppling to stun/interrupt/major prot/do damage/be useful, its a taunt now! cant have TEMPLAR be too powerful now)

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There's plenty of fights in the game where the tank being able to rush to an important target is far better than just walking to poke it.

Major protection is a really good and somewhat rare buff.

Ask yourself this, instead: If your group already has a source of major/minor breach, why would your templar tank use puncture? Other than the reduced cost, it is the objectively inferior skill.

I've been seeing a lot of criticism like this in the forums lately, whenever ZOS adds new buffs and functionality to underutilized skills."Oh why did you buff this skill? No one uses it." Yeah why do you think no one uses it.

I think it's very unproductive and unhelpful.

Disagree.

When I DPS and heal, I do not want the tank charging away from the group to go to an enemy. I want the tank staying put and pulling the enemy to the group. That's how PvP tanks have been doing it for ten years and that is how they will continue doing it after the update.

If the argument is, "I will remain stationary and just use Charge as I would Puncture," ok, I guess, but this means a DPS can never use this skill (as a ranged interrupt or movement skill for example) because it will mess up the tank's taunts. Once any sort of taunt is put on a skill, a non tank can't use it in group play (e.g., old Ice Staffs who could not heavy attack when low on magicka). Putting taunts on skills should be done rarely and for a good reason because of this.

I will not disagree that having major protection is nice. But it's just that: nice. Not necessary. DKs have zero skills that give them major protection. They have always been amazing tanks. Self sourced major protection is not needed at all. If it was, Flare is always an option. It's not something by itself that is going to make the Templar tank suddenly a superior option or provide something useful that other classes who are already better tanks can't do.

Putting a taunt on Charge also locks out any potential future changes to the skill that might better suit Templars. Tanks do not need to charge. A DPS in PvP might want to charge. Now because the Templar Charge skill is considered a tank skill, the Templar PvP DPS is now stuck with a skill that is not meant for their role. We have major protection now and melee templar PvP is still unappealing. I would much prefer if the devs added offensive capabilities to the Charge skill,.

ZOS's crusade to make Templar tanks more popular will continue because slapping on some news buffs to mediocre skills isn't addressing the core issues. ZOS should absolutely receive critical feedback in situations such as this.

Now that I've thought about it more, no morph of charge should have a taunt.

For one, as I and others have said, if charge taunts no non-tank can ever use the skill again in pve.

Nobody wants their tank to suddenly yeet himself off into the distance to die alone while the group jogs after him to catch up.

Nobody wants their tank to charge off to taunt a mob, causing the boss to turn to chase him and force everyone to reposition because now the dragon's various aoes are hitting different locations that used to be safe.

All the taunt will do is prevent non-tanks from using the skill, and tanks will still choose the taunt options that won't get themselves or others killed.

Why don’t ZOS make changes to the Dawn’s Wrath skill line for tanks instead of slapping on tank abilities in the Damage skill line?

Solar flare and Sun fire are terrible skills right now, just make one of them taunt instead