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Disagree button on threads
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JemadarofCaerSalis✭✭✭✭Not sure if it's cultural differences, my age or personal differences in upbringing, but I don't understand why any post should be "ratioed". Are people afraid of other people wording their opinion nowadays? I see no reason why a text shouldn't remain visible, no matter if it's weird or an unpopular suggestion or opinion (the only exceptions would be hatespeech, harassment, etc - that should be made blocked out or deleted). Everyone can choose to comment on it, to disagree on it, or if you find it absolutely nonsensensical already while skimming, you can just ignore it completely and move on.
It could be age, because I agree. I might want to hide the posts from *my* view, but I have rarely ever wanted to remove a post from everyone's view (and usually that is only if it contains information that can be actively harmful). If I don't like what the post says, I just ignore it. (okay, I might grumble about it to myself or family members for a little bit...)
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Northwold✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can an agree button be abused to negative effect? A bit, maybe, possibly. Is it credible it could lead to harm? Not really in a moderated forum, no.
Can a disagree button be abused to negative effect? Yes. Is it credible that it could lead to harm? Absolutely yes and we have seen it in various forms happen on social media to the extent that giants like YouTube have completely removed the function.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter that some people might find something useful if it is obviously open to causing people harm in a way that is difficult to counteract.
The classic example of this is the -isms. Racism, sexism, etc.
An abusive message can attract many agrees. There is a workaround for this: the message gets moderated.
A totally neutral or, indeed, positive message can attract many disagrees by the ists of this world. What is the workaround for this? How do you moderate a message that is not itself offensive, only the responses to it are offensive?
Well, there IS as it happens a workaround to that problem. It's not moderation, which is impossible in that scenario. It's not having a disagree button.Edited by Northwold on August 23, 2024 2:38PM3 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »I might want to hide the posts from *my* view, but I have rarely ever wanted to remove a post from everyone's view
That reminds me: This forum has an ignore list. So if someone finds one specific user's posts disruptive or really, really, annoying, they can already choose to put them on that list, so they don't see what they write anymore.
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TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »I might want to hide the posts from *my* view, but I have rarely ever wanted to remove a post from everyone's view
That reminds me: This forum has an ignore list. So if someone finds one specific user's posts disruptive or really, really, annoying, they can already choose to put them on that list, so they don't see what they write anymore.
Well.... except for when the ignored person starts a thread.... and unfortunately, vanilla doesn't seem to allow for a first post by an ignored individual being ignored as well as in-thread posts.______________________________________________________
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not sure if it's cultural differences, my age or personal differences in upbringing, but I don't understand why any post should be "ratioed". Are people afraid of other people wording their opinion nowadays? I see no reason why a text shouldn't remain visible, no matter if it's weird or an unpopular suggestion or opinion (the only exceptions would be hatespeech, harassment, etc - that should be made blocked out or deleted). Everyone can choose to comment on it, to disagree on it, or if you find it absolutely nonsensensical already while skimming, you can just ignore it completely and move on.
I think it is where information overload and cancel culture intersect. The ratio of agree to disagree helps some people prioritize attention on the important things. As long as the proper group-speek is attached to things, there is less pressure to opinionate and they can move on to somewhere they might be needed more, or find more interesting.
JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »I might want to hide the posts from *my* view, but I have rarely ever wanted to remove a post from everyone's view
That reminds me: This forum has an ignore list. So if someone finds one specific user's posts disruptive or really, really, annoying, they can already choose to put them on that list, so they don't see what they write anymore.
I actually use it more to short-term highlight what someone is saying so I don't miss it. 0 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think it is where information overload and cancel culture intersect. The ratio of agree to disagree helps some people prioritize attention on the important things. As long as the proper group-speek is attached to things, there is less pressure to opinionate and they can move on to somewhere they might be needed more, or find more interesting.
Ah yes, the efficiency thing. I also may be old-fashioned in that regard, but I think that, if someone has so very little time that skimming a forum post for 5-10 seconds (let's be real, many posts aren't longer) wastes too much of their precious free time, they might reconsider if they really want to spend it loitering in a game forum
I actually use it more to short-term highlight what someone is saying so I don't miss it.
I don't use it at all
But that does sound like an interesting idea @Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_Kevin. Not sure if this has been said. A disagree button might cut down on the “back and forth” the moderators have to deal with.1 -
Syldras✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_Kevin. Not sure if this has been said. A disagree button might cut down on the “back and forth” the moderators have to deal with.
I'm sorry, but I doubt it.
In the case there's still new arguments to be exchanged, people will write them out. And I personally don't see anything bad in that (as long as the discussion is civil); although of course I know that my personal idea of whether a discussion is still legit or not plays no role when it comes to forum rules.
And in case it's just a heated exchange of insults, I doubt the posters are sober enough to just stop that and click "disagree" instead.
Same goes for the weird strategy of some people to just repeat the same thing over and over as if mere repetition would suddenly change someone's mind. Although, to be fair, that strategy "works" is the way that people will grow tired sooner or later and just leave the discussion (unpersuaded) because they find it's a waste of time.@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire3 -
Warhawke_80✭✭✭✭✭Kelenan7368 wrote: »I see a need for a disagree button to be placed on posts so the community can ratio post that seem to be absurd.
please consider this.
This is not that kind of place...““Elric knew. The sword told him, without words of any sort. Stormbringer needed to fight, for that was its reason for existence...”― Michael Moorcock, Elric of Melniboné4 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_Kevin. Not sure if this has been said. A disagree button might cut down on the “back and forth” the moderators have to deal with.
I'm sorry, but I doubt it.
In the case there's still new arguments to be exchanged, people will write them out. And I personally don't see anything bad in that (as long as the discussion is civil); although of course I know that my personal idea of whether a discussion is still legit or not plays no role when it comes to forum rules.
And in case it's just a heated exchange of insults, I doubt the posters are sober enough to just stop that and click "disagree" instead.
Same goes for the weird strategy of some people to just repeat the same thing over and over as if mere repetition would suddenly change someone's mind. Although, to be fair, that strategy "works" is the way that people will grow tired sooner or later and just leave the discussion (unpersuaded) because they find it's a waste of time.
Well, cut down on. Not eliminate. I observe cases where two people go back and forth, neither one letting the other have the last word. Neither of them is budging, as you suggest at the end. A disagree button might allow one of them to get the "last word" in before the moderators have to step in and throw a wet blanket over them.
Not sure if this outweighs the negatives of having the button, though. Probably not.
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