There is no point in learning to tank in a normal dungeon. A dps with proper food who knows how to block can take the damage. Start learning to tank in the easier vets, and then quickly move to dlc non-hm. This is much better training.

Same with healing. In normal dungeons, healers ideally split time doing dps with a few heals/buffs. The percentage of time spent healing goes up with the difficulty of the content. Healers are also often designated to do certain mechs, like orb duty in graven deep. So it’s important to know the content well.

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There is no point in learning to tank in a normal dungeon. A dps with proper food who knows how to block can take the damage. Start learning to tank in the easier vets, and then quickly move to dlc non-hm. This is much better training.

Same with healing. In normal dungeons, healers ideally split time doing dps with a few heals/buffs. The percentage of time spent healing goes up with the difficulty of the content. Healers are also often designated to do certain mechs, like orb duty in graven deep. So it’s important to know the content well.

How about stress? I spent 12y playing World of Warcraft and i find healing and tanking M+ stressful, but ejoyable somehow.

User experience may vary and all that. I use a high health necro build, easily adaptable for PvP and PvP. I usually have 50kish health, and with Sergents Mail, in all heavy armour, I can pull 50-60k dps trial dummy with a taunt slotted. 40kish solo.

I got sick of fake tanks dying in normal mode dungeons, started running as a tank myself with Silver Leash slotted. All normal mode base and DLC, and base game vet, I can face tank everything with a lightning staff, hungry scythe, and spirit guardian. My health barely moves. I can also happily face tank all world bosses.

I vet DLCs, eh, really depends on which one I get. Old ones especially, like Prison and White Gold Tower, yeah, even in vet mode you can face tank everything. Coral Aerie, you gotta start learning mechs.

My guild recently started doing normal trials. I find the same there. I'm able to face tank everything in the older trials. I keep switching to sword and board or ice staff when we're doing one I don't know, and it feels completely unnecessary.

All that said, the more time I do it, the more I learn, and on the odd occasions I do a vet dungeon, I am deffo more prepared.

I guess running as a heavy armour DPS with a taunt taught me to tank in vet stuff?

And with all that, if i do an RND, I want someone tanking with a darned taunt that doesn't run in circles and drop dead in vet fungal 1. Heck, I had one once die in Wayrest 1 normal!

Solo arenas and the archive will teach you the basics of survival. Then start adjusting the build towards the content difficulties. Scribing has some nice skills to fill in gaps in the build. Sadly the AOE pull range seems underwhelming.

When it comes to healing it will depend on your group. Experienced players will need a healer only in the hardest DLC HMs. Less experienced will need one in most vet DLC dungeons.
And, overall, playing support in pugs can be challenging, so I would strongly recommend finding a guild and go with the preferences of the players in it

Unpopular opinion I know, but have you considered PvP? There will never be a time where support roles and builds that focus on survival won't be needed and if you can survive there you can survive anywhere. Learn to tank fifteen people that can think and adapt and there's nothing you can't deal with in PvE once you know the mechs.

Honestly, true tanking and healing is only needed in the hardest content. I've even done vet DLC dungeons with 3 DPS 1 tank, but some hardmodes are best done with a tank, healer, and 2 DPS - usually because the tank needs some additional sustain support that they won't get from a 3 dps setup.

Sad to say, but DPS is so high right now that the benefits of carrying an extra DPS player outweigh the benefits of carrying a dedicated healer most times. I've found, though, that truly good healers can really have an impact in PVP, which is where I find myself playing my healers the most.

Your problem is that you’re doing normal dungeons. Vet dungeons rarely have the fake role issue and when there is a fake role, it is a massive problem. If you really want to learn content, start with vet nondlc and slowly go up in release order, typically newer dlcs are harder than older ones. If its your first time in that dungeon, say so at the beginning. Sometimes people will explain mechanics. Sometimes people will leave, but you’ll get there.
Healers are the most unnecessary role but do have their place, so no harm in trying it out if you might like it. Even if you don’t like it, knowing every role helps you be better at any role (ex. A tank knowing to turn the boss because DPS want to flank the boss and keep the boss still for DPS damage aoes and healer healing aoes).

What is your arcanist build like? Arcanists don’t need to weave very often, just a light attack on occasion to build ult is fine. Velothi’s amulet and deadly strike are good to have. If you don’t do trials at all and just want to do dungeons maybe use a penetration set with it. Usually ansuul or coral riptide is run with deadly or azureblight, but ansuul and coral are from trials. Azureblight won’t really proc in dungeons except on bosses because things die too fast.

Imo tank is more mindset than strictly build. Tank is whoever is stacking adds and controlling the boss. Easiest content you can do that on a dps with a taunt. The harder the content the more specialized you get, right up to fully kitted out trial tank doing 3k damage on a good day.

Same for Healers. Easy stuff a dps with a group heal is fine. Even in a normal trial 11 dps running vigor can clear if they know what they're doing, but having dedicated ones is still nice.

You should absolutely do normal trials BTW. Theyre way less scary than they sound. 40k on arc is super low but still good enough for normal.