Tons of people will just switch to stage 1 instead of stage 3.

darvaria wrote: »

30% to 10% damage reduction makes vamp useless in PVP. I think it was only used in PVP anyways.

No, it isn't only used in PvP.

Vampire is useful in sneak-thievery and will still be after the patch. The changes to UNDEATH shouldn't affect 'sneakery' at all.

the changes are technically a buff for me, because i rarely ever let my vamps get above stage 1, so now they will be actually getting a benefit instead of nothing

for me personally, i kind of hated how all the stages except the first one were on timers (i say "first one" because in vamp1.0 stage 4 had no timer and you fed to lower your stage, and vamp 2.0 stage 1 has no timer and you feed to gain stage)

Solo PvE DKs will continue to use Vamp for sure. Their infinite Magma Shell builds are not affected, if I'm correct.

I never played vampire much, but emphasize character before meta, so have my vampire necro Dark Brotherhood assassin character. I had already given up trying to find a build that works in other content — vampire skills aren’t useful enough and the penalties to skill cost and health recovery made it a bad choice for tanking and this update won’t change that.

I’m glad my non-vampire characters I like to PvP with will no longer be relatively penalized.

(Edit: typo)

Never used the Undeath passive for pvp so yes, I will. If anything it will be a buff for me since I loathe the ability cost increases.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Some will stay vamp because they like vamp. Lots will be stage 1 for what's on average a free Minor Protection, and the cool fast sneak. Some will be stage 2 for the damage buff out of stealth. The same few on stage 4 for the invis gimmick will still do that. What does stage 3 do now? Does it do anything at all?

The invis running isnt worth jumping from stage 1 to stage 4, except maybe stage 2 for a NB or something.

No. Vampire is already a struggle and broken at stage 4 in group pve content. I cant even imagine how it would be without the damage reduction buff.

Vampire needs a serious overhaul because right now its just a passive buff class for other classes and cant be viable going full vampire. Compare that to werewolf where you have an entire bar of werewolf skills and are completely viable in multiple content settings.

Ever since they got rid of the old version of vampire, I'm not interested. I barely used it back then, but after they made it a play style I can't be bothered.

Yes. Sneak-speed ftw.

Pretty much everyone in pve will use it. Free damage reduction with almost no drawbacks.