I can't understand the reason for living of deadra.

AvalonRanger · June 10

I can't understand the reason for living of deadra.

I don't feel any of "guilty" when I killed deadra people.

1, They're immortal. Because they have automatic resurrection.
2, They don't have life limitation. So basically, they're always lazy life.
3, Basically, most of deadra is bad guys.(in ESO) Only deadland dlc deadra NPC is good people. (..maybe?)

What is the living purpose for the ordinary mob deadra people?

Blood_again · June 10

Like in every ecosystem there is no entity that "lives for purpose", there are only entities that manage to be still alive.

Elsonso · June 10

AvalonRanger wrote: »

I can't understand the reason for living of deadra.

1, They're immortal. Because they have automatic resurrection.
2, They don't have life limitation. So basically, they're always lazy life.
3, Basically, most of deadra is bad guys.(in ESO) Only deadland dlc deadra NPC is good people. (..maybe?)

What is the living purpose for the ordinary mob deadra people?

For the beasts, their purpose is just like any other beast. They exist, they do their thing, and then they continue to exist.

For the intelligent creatures, I have much the same question. They exist in large quantities, and to us mortals, they seem to do nothing more than stand around the 'water cooler' until a mortal comes along, then they try to kill it. Whether mortals are just incapable of understanding that they live their lives at a higher level than can be understood, or whether they are inspired by the idea of standing by the water cooler doing nothing at all for eons without end... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

cyclonus11 · June 10

Elsonso wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

I can't understand the reason for living of deadra.

1, They're immortal. Because they have automatic resurrection.
2, They don't have life limitation. So basically, they're always lazy life.
3, Basically, most of deadra is bad guys.(in ESO) Only deadland dlc deadra NPC is good people. (..maybe?)

What is the living purpose for the ordinary mob deadra people?

For the beasts, their purpose is just like any other beast. They exist, they do their thing, and then they continue to exist.

For the intelligent creatures, I have much the same question. They exist in large quantities, and to us mortals, they seem to do nothing more than stand around the 'water cooler' until a mortal comes along, then they try to kill it. Whether mortals are just incapable of understanding that they live their lives at a higher level than can be understood, or whether they are inspired by the idea of standing by the water cooler doing nothing at all for eons without end... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The intelligent daedra that attack you are doing what they want to do - attack and kill/subjugate mortals, and do so at the whim of their prince (generally, but not always). You don't see the ones who do other things, because they're not interested (generally) in being around mortals. Visit the xivilai merchant in Coldharbour inside the Reaver Citadel - he will tell you.

Lykeion · June 10

AvalonRanger wrote: »

What is the living purpose for the ordinary mob deadra people?

With a few changes of subject you'll be a philosopher. Wow!

TheMajority · June 10

the purpose is the thing which is and not the thing which isn't, they went over here and you killed and took that, so now they look for it, but not because of the reason you believe in mortal mind. the time for them is now, and the time for you is yesterday. the moment they lived for.

so they have a purpose, your understanding, its not for that. you cant know the understanding, it isn't for you to know.

to not understand for you the lives of another, does not indicate a lack of purpose in this immortal lives. mortal judgement and inaccuracy. the true purpose is in them. but whats yours?

whats yours purpose but death to them? only you are their death, asking what is their purpose, but what is your purpose as the character?

its contemplatable.

furiouslog · June 10

I don't even know my living purpose, so I'm not sure how to approach the question as regards daedra. If I were to guess, it's that the original designers at ZOS needed a lore-friendly set of mob-style villains to populate their MMO game in order to provide an entertaining challenge for its players. Does that sound right? Yes, I think that's right.

AvalonRanger · June 10

AvalonRanger wrote: »

I can't understand the reason for living of deadra.

I don't feel any of "guilty" when I killed deadra people.

1, They're immortal. Because they have automatic resurrection.
2, They don't have life limitation. So basically, they're always lazy life.
3, Basically, most of deadra is bad guys.(in ESO) Only deadland dlc deadra NPC is good people. (..maybe?)

What is the living purpose for the ordinary mob deadra people?

Or...deadric prince give them living purpose.

Deadra mob A: "Our Master is ordering against us Tamriel invasion again.

"

Deadra mob B: "Again? We're tired so much those things. Well, Let's ignore
and play "ToT" shall we?

Why don't you bet the gold for this game?"

Deadra mob C: "Yea...by the way, why we have mortal's gold coin? We don't need any of payment
duty for the just surviving. We're immortals anyway. Actually say, what were you doing
yesterday deadra mob B?"

Deadra mob B: "....Not much special. Just was reading "Argonian maid" and drinking beer. How about mob A?"

Deadra mob A: "....Mostly same like you.

"

Deadra mob C: " Without Master's order, we're just meaningless...immortals."

After the meaningless deadra style conversation several times,
they were killed by my Night Blade for the experience point.

Elsonso · June 10

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

I can't understand the reason for living of deadra.

1, They're immortal. Because they have automatic resurrection.
2, They don't have life limitation. So basically, they're always lazy life.
3, Basically, most of deadra is bad guys.(in ESO) Only deadland dlc deadra NPC is good people. (..maybe?)

What is the living purpose for the ordinary mob deadra people?

For the beasts, their purpose is just like any other beast. They exist, they do their thing, and then they continue to exist.

For the intelligent creatures, I have much the same question. They exist in large quantities, and to us mortals, they seem to do nothing more than stand around the 'water cooler' until a mortal comes along, then they try to kill it. Whether mortals are just incapable of understanding that they live their lives at a higher level than can be understood, or whether they are inspired by the idea of standing by the water cooler doing nothing at all for eons without end... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The intelligent daedra that attack you are doing what they want to do - attack and kill/subjugate mortals, and do so at the whim of their prince (generally, but not always). You don't see the ones who do other things, because they're not interested (generally) in being around mortals. Visit the xivilai merchant in Coldharbour inside the Reaver Citadel - he will tell you.

I know but they are still just standing around doing nothing. Certainly, some of them have ‘jobs’, but mainly, they seem to be just doing nothing.

Syldras · June 10

Elsonso wrote: »

I know but they are still just standing around doing nothing. Certainly, some of them have ‘jobs’, but mainly, they seem to be just doing nothing.

Just like some mortal npcs. Daedra could justify it with having endless time, at least.

Wereswan · June 10

The irony is that this is exactly why a lot of daedra have no problem killing and torturing us. Mortals are fleeting, insignificant things that get old and die anyway. Does it matter if they shorten our brief existences a tad? Is our suffering even important in the greater scheme of things?

Soarora · June 10

You may like this book: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal

They serve their Princes, they were made to do so. Every Daedra comes from a Prince, entire types of Daedra can be applied to only a single Prince such as the Golden Knights and Dark Seducers of the Shivering Isles. They fall in line to their military society where their purpose is to serve. That said, they also lack the morals of mortals, they do not care for us nor understand friendship, only business partners (with some exceptions, so unsure if this is their societal pressures or if they're incapable of mortal connections). The Daedra of Fargrave escaped their Prince to forge their own life with their own purpose. Some Daedra will change Princes as well. So, generally they are I guess sociopathic militant cultists unless they decide otherwise.
That said, they don't enjoy dying. They don't fear it for they do not know what it is to truly die. But their revival isn't immediate, and it is very unpleasant. There is a quest about the death of a Dremora: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Peace's_Wretched_Price. The UESP article here isn't complete so you'd have to go do the quest yourself.

AvalonRanger · June 11

Soarora wrote: »

You may like this book: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal

They serve their Princes, they were made to do so. Every Daedra comes from a Prince, entire types of Daedra can be applied to only a single Prince such as the Golden Knights and Dark Seducers of the Shivering Isles. They fall in line to their military society where their purpose is to serve. That said, they also lack the morals of mortals, they do not care for us nor understand friendship, only business partners (with some exceptions, so unsure if this is their societal pressures or if they're incapable of mortal connections). The Daedra of Fargrave escaped their Prince to forge their own life with their own purpose. Some Daedra will change Princes as well. So, generally they are I guess sociopathic militant cultists unless they decide otherwise.
That said, they don't enjoy dying. They don't fear it for they do not know what it is to truly die. But their revival isn't immediate, and it is very unpleasant. There is a quest about the death of a Dremora: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Peace's_Wretched_Price. The UESP article here isn't complete so you'd have to go do the quest yourself.

Good point.
Thanks for introducing interseting Lore book.

This is a almost same image of the deadra which I have. But I just wanted to know,
what kind of experience changed "Fargrave deadra people's mind" from previous usual
deadra life? They totally act like mortal town citizen of mankind, doesn't feel like
"sociopathic militant cultists". They have their living personal purpose(...maybe?).
At least, they're managing shop, showing street performance.

There're no quest for telling us the reason why Fargrave deadra abandoned normal deadra life.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Peace's_Wretched_Price.
We also dislike killed by someone. Maybe....but, I thought "your death and our death are very different."

Soarora · June 11

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

You may like this book: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal

They serve their Princes, they were made to do so. Every Daedra comes from a Prince, entire types of Daedra can be applied to only a single Prince such as the Golden Knights and Dark Seducers of the Shivering Isles. They fall in line to their military society where their purpose is to serve. That said, they also lack the morals of mortals, they do not care for us nor understand friendship, only business partners (with some exceptions, so unsure if this is their societal pressures or if they're incapable of mortal connections). The Daedra of Fargrave escaped their Prince to forge their own life with their own purpose. Some Daedra will change Princes as well. So, generally they are I guess sociopathic militant cultists unless they decide otherwise.
That said, they don't enjoy dying. They don't fear it for they do not know what it is to truly die. But their revival isn't immediate, and it is very unpleasant. There is a quest about the death of a Dremora: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Peace's_Wretched_Price. The UESP article here isn't complete so you'd have to go do the quest yourself.

Good point.
Thanks for introducing interseting Lore book.

This is a almost same image of the deadra which I have. But I just wanted to know,
what kind of experience changed "Fargrave deadra people's mind" from previous usual
deadra life? They totally act like mortal town citizen of mankind, doesn't feel like
"sociopathic militant cultists". They have their living personal purpose(...maybe?).
At least, they're managing shop, showing street performance.

There're no quest for telling us the reason why Fargrave deadra abandoned normal deadra life.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Peace's_Wretched_Price.
We also dislike killed by someone. Maybe....but, I thought "your death and our death are very different."

Even people raised a certain way may change paths because the path chosen for them didn’t suit them. I would guess it’s much the same way. Maybe the ideals of their Prince are no longer interesting or they’re tired of being told what to do all the time and want to be independent. The Daedra of Fargrave still uphold their morals but there are laws in place that keep them from attacking mortals (or each other). Some of the NPCs complain about it.

Elsonso · June 11

AvalonRanger wrote: »

This is a almost same image of the deadra which I have. But I just wanted to know,
what kind of experience changed "Fargrave deadra people's mind" from previous usual
deadra life? They totally act like mortal town citizen of mankind, doesn't feel like
"sociopathic militant cultists". They have their living personal purpose(...maybe?).
At least, they're managing shop, showing street performance.

There're no quest for telling us the reason why Fargrave deadra abandoned normal deadra life.

I am not really feeling the whole "one of us" vibe that Fargrave tried to give off. ZOS didn't sell it very well, which I suppose is a good thing. It messes with the bad guy dynamic that Daedra bring to the franchise, and not in a good way. A minor part of a minor DLC and one that can easily be forgotten.

Blackwood and Apocrypha did a better job with neutral daedric creatures by introducing the "blue collar" variety. This is much more plausible, and not nearly as creepy.

But still, their main purpose in Elder Scrolls is to stand in a spot with one or two others until a mortal wanders by, then attack it.

Making them "one of us" or giving them mundane jobs is notable, but just that.

As for why Fargrave is Fargrave? I have noticed that a core aspect of most known Daedra is that they have this obsession with mortals. Unhealthy obsession. They talk down to mortals, treat them like bugs, are eager to kill them, and yet, there is still that obsession. Fargrave seems to come from mortal-obsessed daedra that don't want to kill the mortals, for some reason. I think that it is because their unhealthy obsession has risen to heights where they desire to imitate them.

In any case... The whole concept of the Daedra becomes unsustainable when examined closely. The Lore tends to fall apart. This is why the whole "mortals can't understand" seems to be a thing. It allows them to exist without having to explain a variety of motives and behaviors that are contradictory.

AvalonRanger · June 11

"I was Summoned by a Mortal."

After I read this lore book, I suddenly felt huge sympathy against mob deadras.
They're really poor salary workers actually. Keep doing boring their work which is ordered
by their master with "cynical humor". Moreover, they have to do disgusting job of mortals
without reward.

But, my magika girl needs your heat for the energy drink. (Blood of Mara)
Well, mortal is most horrible creature in the Nirn.

xylena_lazarow · June 11

AvalonRanger wrote: »

I can't understand the reason for living of humans.

I don't feel any of "guilty" when I killed human people.

1, They're mortal. Because they are just going to die anyway.
2, They have life limitation. So basically, they're always lazy life.
3, Basically, most of humans is bad guys.(in IRL) Only deadland dlc human NPC is good people. (..maybe?)

What is the living purpose for the ordinary human people?

FTFY

cyclonus11 · June 11

AvalonRanger wrote: »

"I was Summoned by a Mortal."

After I read this lore book, I suddenly felt huge sympathy against mob deadras.
They're really poor salary workers actually. Keep doing boring their work which is ordered
by their master with "cynical humor". Moreover, they have to do disgusting job of mortals
without reward.

But, my magika girl needs your heat for the energy drink. (Blood of Mara)
Well, mortal is most horrible creature in the Nirn.

Sometimes you'll encounter a dremora in the Deadlands trying to summon a mortal from Nirn. They end up summoning an indrik and are killed immediately

Soarora · June 11

Elsonso wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

This is a almost same image of the deadra which I have. But I just wanted to know,
what kind of experience changed "Fargrave deadra people's mind" from previous usual
deadra life? They totally act like mortal town citizen of mankind, doesn't feel like
"sociopathic militant cultists". They have their living personal purpose(...maybe?).
At least, they're managing shop, showing street performance.

There're no quest for telling us the reason why Fargrave deadra abandoned normal deadra life.

I am not really feeling the whole "one of us" vibe that Fargrave tried to give off. ZOS didn't sell it very well, which I suppose is a good thing. It messes with the bad guy dynamic that Daedra bring to the franchise, and not in a good way. A minor part of a minor DLC and one that can easily be forgotten.

Blackwood and Apocrypha did a better job with neutral daedric creatures by introducing the "blue collar" variety. This is much more plausible, and not nearly as creepy.

But still, their main purpose in Elder Scrolls is to stand in a spot with one or two others until a mortal wanders by, then attack it. Making them "one of us" or giving them mundane jobs is notable, but just that.

As for why Fargrave is Fargrave? I have noticed that a core aspect of most known Daedra is that they have this obsession with mortals. Unhealthy obsession. They talk down to mortals, treat them like bugs, are eager to kill them, and yet, there is still that obsession. Fargrave seems to come from mortal-obsessed daedra that don't want to kill the mortals, for some reason. I think that it is because their unhealthy obsession has risen to heights where they desire to imitate them.

In any case... The whole concept of the Daedra becomes unsustainable when examined closely. The Lore tends to fall apart. This is why the whole "mortals can't understand" seems to be a thing. It allows them to exist without having to explain a variety of motives and behaviors that are contradictory.

The Daedra of Fargrave may want to kill mortals, I know theres one chained up who doesn’t speak very kindly to you as the player. What stops them is The Stricture: https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Grasp_of_the_Stricture

We just don’t know why The Stricture exists. But we do know there’s Daedra who complain about it. They still see themselves as above mortals.

logan68 · June 11

AvalonRanger wrote: »

I can't understand the reason for living of deadra.

I don't feel any of "guilty" when I killed deadra people.

1, They're immortal. Because they have automatic resurrection.
2, They don't have life limitation. So basically, they're always lazy life.
3, Basically, most of deadra is bad guys.(in ESO) Only deadland dlc deadra NPC is good people. (..maybe?)

What is the living purpose for the ordinary mob deadra people?

its a game

Soarora · June 11

logan68 wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

I can't understand the reason for living of deadra.

I don't feel any of "guilty" when I killed deadra people.

1, They're immortal. Because they have automatic resurrection.
2, They don't have life limitation. So basically, they're always lazy life.
3, Basically, most of deadra is bad guys.(in ESO) Only deadland dlc deadra NPC is good people. (..maybe?)

What is the living purpose for the ordinary mob deadra people?

its a game

That’s part of a franchise known for its lore!

redlink1979 · June 11

"Lesser Daedra created by the Princes served as servants and worshippers, and often as playthings, and the Daedra Lords were content and mostly happy with their realms. (...)"
https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Daedra