Leads should be tradable?

Soarora · May 22

Yes

If we can't trade them, can we at least delete them? There's leads I have no intention of ever digging up but I keep getting them. Yes, I know I'd just get them again but at least picking up the lead is cool, it clogging my lead menu is not.

Artim_X · May 23

No

Do some endless archives so in the event Filer Ool sells a spicy lead you need you can just buy it straight. Other than that, contribute to the chat about why a particular lead needs to be readjusted. I do not think leads should be tradeable.

Mesite · May 23

Yes

I got a new account without Greymoor so I don't have to do leads. I'd love to give them (or sell them) to someone who enjoys scrying though

Araneae6537 · May 23

Yes

Artim_X wrote: »

Do some endless archives so in the event Filer Ool sells a spicy lead you need you can just buy it straight. Other than that, contribute to the chat about why a particular lead needs to be readjusted. I do not think leads should be tradeable.

Filer Ool is great in concept, but has a treasure chest lead ever been available for purchase? I don’t mind camping a boss for a lead, while not exactly fun, at least there are usually a number of people with the same objective so that it is doable.

But treasure maps are already a rare drop, not farmable, and I’m not going to pay tens of thousands of gold for a small chance at a lead I want.

Necrotech_Master · May 23

Yes

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

Do some endless archives so in the event Filer Ool sells a spicy lead you need you can just buy it straight. Other than that, contribute to the chat about why a particular lead needs to be readjusted. I do not think leads should be tradeable.

Filer Ool is great in concept, but has a treasure chest lead ever been available for purchase? I don’t mind camping a boss for a lead, while not exactly fun, at least there are usually a number of people with the same objective so that it is doable.

But treasure maps are already a rare drop, not farmable, and I’m not going to pay tens of thousands of gold for a small chance at a lead I want.

the archive vendor has had 1 treasure chest lead available that im aware of, it was 1 of the apocryphal well leads (because its the only one ive ever gotten lol)

it was offered very early after the archive release (before they renamed it from "endless" to "infinite")

Elvenheart · May 23

Yes

I’ve always thought that it’s the antiquities themselves after we dig them up that should be tradable, like the furnishings or even mythics.. It would really make the tomb raider fantasy more of a reality. Also, I’ve always wished that the lead would lead us to a doorway like a cave or a set of ruins that we actually have to enter to go dig up the antiquity. Maybe even with a few enemies thrown for good measure. Like some thing from a Lara Croft movie. 😊

CalamityCat · May 23

No

I wouldn't complain if they were tradeable, but I'd rather just have the option to delete leads that I don't want to dig up. Also, the option to sort or filter the list of leads and only see ones I haven't done yet. Filtering/sorting by quality would also be lovely.

Necrotech_Master · May 23

Yes

CalamityCat wrote: »

I wouldn't complain if they were tradeable, but I'd rather just have the option to delete leads that I don't want to dig up. Also, the option to sort or filter the list of leads and only see ones I haven't done yet. Filtering/sorting by quality would also be lovely.

a lot of that already exists, but only from the addon (display leads), this allows filtering (available to scry regardless of zone, leads you never dug up at least once, or to specific multi part leads such as mythics, etc)

the base game UI for antiquities is certainly lacking a lot

whitecrow · May 23

No

No, but I wish the antiquities could be sold to merchants.

VisitHammerfell · May 23

No

I say no bc it would be pretty pay to win. But maybe an exception could be made for arena/dungeon/trial leads for those aithin your group. Still think it would enable the 1% to just buy whatever instead of working for it like everyone else. A better idea is to have a guaranteed drop after so many times, maybe 10 is about fair?

TaSheen · May 23

Yes

Elvenheart wrote: »

I’ve always thought that it’s the antiquities themselves after we dig them up that should be tradable, like the furnishings or even mythics.. It would really make the tomb raider fantasy more of a reality. Also, I’ve always wished that the lead would lead us to a doorway like a cave or a set of ruins that we actually have to enter to go dig up the antiquity. Maybe even with a few enemies thrown for good measure. Like some thing from a Lara Croft movie. 😊

That would definitely not be my cuppa! I've never had much interest for anything "from a Lara Croft movie" (or even an Indiana Jones movie).

Mesite · May 23

Yes

I needed to buy a house to put all the things I'd dug up in. Cheaper not to dig. But perhaps leads up to purple could be tradable at least

Necrotech_Master · May 23

Yes

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

I say no bc it would be pretty pay to win. But maybe an exception could be made for arena/dungeon/trial leads for those aithin your group. Still think it would enable the 1% to just buy whatever instead of working for it like everyone else. A better idea is to have a guaranteed drop after so many times, maybe 10 is about fair?

im all for getting the leads easier, but what about leads that you dont want but still get anyway?

theres at least 2 dozen leads i frankly do not care about, do not dig up anymore, and just end up expiring so its frankly just a waste of a system at that point for me, i would rather help someone by trading/selling the lead to someone else to use than letting it expire for the umpteenth time

VisitHammerfell · May 23

No

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

I say no bc it would be pretty pay to win. But maybe an exception could be made for arena/dungeon/trial leads for those aithin your group. Still think it would enable the 1% to just buy whatever instead of working for it like everyone else. A better idea is to have a guaranteed drop after so many times, maybe 10 is about fair?

im all for getting the leads easier, but what about leads that you dont want but still get anyway?

theres at least 2 dozen leads i frankly do not care about, do not dig up anymore, and just end up expiring so its frankly just a waste of a system at that point for me, i would rather help someone by trading/selling the lead to someone else to use than letting it expire for the umpteenth time

Then people could just pay for leads instead of grinding them out. Imagine getting snubbed for a prog bc you don't have a brand new mythic and Joe Schmoe with his 100 million gold can just buy the leads. I'm strongly against pay to win. Perhaps they could do it but limit it to furnishings and cosmetics?

Necrotech_Master · May 23

Yes

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

I say no bc it would be pretty pay to win. But maybe an exception could be made for arena/dungeon/trial leads for those aithin your group. Still think it would enable the 1% to just buy whatever instead of working for it like everyone else. A better idea is to have a guaranteed drop after so many times, maybe 10 is about fair?

im all for getting the leads easier, but what about leads that you dont want but still get anyway?

theres at least 2 dozen leads i frankly do not care about, do not dig up anymore, and just end up expiring so its frankly just a waste of a system at that point for me, i would rather help someone by trading/selling the lead to someone else to use than letting it expire for the umpteenth time

Then people could just pay for leads instead of grinding them out. Imagine getting snubbed for a prog bc you don't have a brand new mythic and Joe Schmoe with his 100 million gold can just buy the leads. I'm strongly against pay to win. Perhaps they could do it but limit it to furnishings and cosmetics?

i dont think most leads would be worth much, they either drop too commonly as is, or as noted theres very little reason to dig them up again past 3 (unless you wanted more copies of the furnishing without buying them from achievement furnishings)

what about any lead that is part of an activity you do not want to partake in? common examples i see of this are either the lead that comes from playing tribute, or the furnishing lead tied to BGs. in these cases your basically telling people to smash their heads against a wall doing activities they dont want to get something they do want (the tribute lead is also for a furnishing, a part of a music box)

i dont see how buying leads with gold is pay to win, when the entire antiquity system itself requires buying a DLC to get access to antiquities in the first place, and then the multiple DLCs that are required to get the lead drops, and a DLC required for the digging location (which all costs real money and has a more "real" cost than spending time in game to either farm leads, or farm gold to buy things)

Monte_Cristo · May 24

No

Leads, no. But the furnishings/gear you can dig up from them, yes.

DreamyLu · May 24

Mitigated:

Yes because:
- I could get those I missed
- I could sell those I already got many times, instead of ignoring them until time is over and they disappear from the list.

No because:
- It would become like farming resources: either doing or paying, with prices probably exploding for rare items.
- It's an activity of the game content with skills and achievements. It shouldn't be possible that players can entirely skip that content and still obtain recognition for completion via just paying.

All in all, am not too sure what would be a fair adjustment...

VisitHammerfell · May 24

No

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

I say no bc it would be pretty pay to win. But maybe an exception could be made for arena/dungeon/trial leads for those aithin your group. Still think it would enable the 1% to just buy whatever instead of working for it like everyone else. A better idea is to have a guaranteed drop after so many times, maybe 10 is about fair?

im all for getting the leads easier, but what about leads that you dont want but still get anyway?

theres at least 2 dozen leads i frankly do not care about, do not dig up anymore, and just end up expiring so its frankly just a waste of a system at that point for me, i would rather help someone by trading/selling the lead to someone else to use than letting it expire for the umpteenth time

Then people could just pay for leads instead of grinding them out. Imagine getting snubbed for a prog bc you don't have a brand new mythic and Joe Schmoe with his 100 million gold can just buy the leads. I'm strongly against pay to win. Perhaps they could do it but limit it to furnishings and cosmetics?

i dont think most leads would be worth much, they either drop too commonly as is, or as noted theres very little reason to dig them up again past 3 (unless you wanted more copies of the furnishing without buying them from achievement furnishings)

what about any lead that is part of an activity you do not want to partake in? common examples i see of this are either the lead that comes from playing tribute, or the furnishing lead tied to BGs. in these cases your basically telling people to smash their heads against a wall doing activities they dont want to get something they do want (the tribute lead is also for a furnishing, a part of a music box)

i dont see how buying leads with gold is pay to win, when the entire antiquity system itself requires buying a DLC to get access to antiquities in the first place, and then the multiple DLCs that are required to get the lead drops, and a DLC required for the digging location (which all costs real money and has a more "real" cost than spending time in game to either farm leads, or farm gold to buy things)

The ToT markings lead and furnishing leads would not be PTW but mythic leads would be, somebody could just fork over 2 million or something instead of running Coral Aerie. This is referring to PTW with gold not IRL money. It's already bad enough with gold mats, Hakeijos, etc to be competitive.

I'd totally pay for that ToT lead and the 2 old furnishings I never found though

Necrotech_Master · May 24

Yes

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

VisitHammerfell wrote: »

I say no bc it would be pretty pay to win. But maybe an exception could be made for arena/dungeon/trial leads for those aithin your group. Still think it would enable the 1% to just buy whatever instead of working for it like everyone else. A better idea is to have a guaranteed drop after so many times, maybe 10 is about fair?

im all for getting the leads easier, but what about leads that you dont want but still get anyway?

theres at least 2 dozen leads i frankly do not care about, do not dig up anymore, and just end up expiring so its frankly just a waste of a system at that point for me, i would rather help someone by trading/selling the lead to someone else to use than letting it expire for the umpteenth time

Then people could just pay for leads instead of grinding them out. Imagine getting snubbed for a prog bc you don't have a brand new mythic and Joe Schmoe with his 100 million gold can just buy the leads. I'm strongly against pay to win. Perhaps they could do it but limit it to furnishings and cosmetics?

i dont think most leads would be worth much, they either drop too commonly as is, or as noted theres very little reason to dig them up again past 3 (unless you wanted more copies of the furnishing without buying them from achievement furnishings)

what about any lead that is part of an activity you do not want to partake in? common examples i see of this are either the lead that comes from playing tribute, or the furnishing lead tied to BGs. in these cases your basically telling people to smash their heads against a wall doing activities they dont want to get something they do want (the tribute lead is also for a furnishing, a part of a music box)

i dont see how buying leads with gold is pay to win, when the entire antiquity system itself requires buying a DLC to get access to antiquities in the first place, and then the multiple DLCs that are required to get the lead drops, and a DLC required for the digging location (which all costs real money and has a more "real" cost than spending time in game to either farm leads, or farm gold to buy things)

The ToT markings lead and furnishing leads would not be PTW but mythic leads would be, somebody could just fork over 2 million or something instead of running Coral Aerie. This is referring to PTW with gold not IRL money. It's already bad enough with gold mats, Hakeijos, etc to be competitive.

I'd totally pay for that ToT lead and the 2 old furnishings I never found though

personally if i want hakeijos i just run IC, takes me under an hour to earn about 15k tel var running solo in the sewers lol

i dont really see mythics as pay to win because the vast majority of them are too niche or just not great in general

to use your example of coral aerie that grind sucked, i would have probably bought a lead instead of farming it, i dont plan on ever getting the other 2 copies of that lead unless they show up on the archive vendor, or it just randomly drops if im doing a secret boss run, i would have no problem with someone paying for it and not wanting to grind that, and i wouldnt make them suffer just because i had to suffer through it

would rather there be options as there is always a cost, in this case time (of farming) or money (gold), ill let each person decide which poison they want to pick

phairdon · May 24

No

Most things are already highly over priced, leads would be no different. Greed rules.

katanagirl1 · May 26

Soarora wrote: »

If we can't trade them, can we at least delete them? There's leads I have no intention of ever digging up but I keep getting them. Yes, I know I'd just get them again but at least picking up the lead is cool, it clogging my lead menu is not.

There are good arguments both for and against, so I am undecided at this point.

I totally agree with being able to delete leads though. I don’t need more than 21 of those chairs from Western Skyrim or whatever.

Also, put those everlasting green leads somewhere else too. Hard to see the ones I might actually want to dig up in that whole mess.

Clean up the UI!

xylena_lazarow · May 26

Yes

Outdated game design. If I'm obligated to waste hours of my time on a second job before I'm allowed to play what I paid for, then I'm not going to engage (or pay for content in the first place). They made the right call responding to feedback and making it easier to purchase components for Scribing, I hope they revisit Mythics in this respect.

IndorilArwynLlethran · May 27

Yes

everything should be tradable. absolutely everything. some people love stand-in-circle-pewpew in dungeons, some - run-and-pewpew in arenas, some just grind mats and enjoy, why shouldn't they exchange their gainings? i have *** tons of gold and i don't want to go to, for example, dsa again. let me buy that little piece of loot from someone who looooooveeees dsa. dungeons, arenas and trials loot, even monsters and weapons, surveys, leads, everything. people sell runs anyways, why not giving then a better, less questionable option?