RebornV3x wrote: »

Was trying to do Vet Cloudrest the other night and it just takes too much team coordination to do right.

Exactly this makes trials attractive.

I am glad there isn't just a "stack and burn" mech.

If you don't want to play any kind of Mechanic, stick to Fungal Grotto 1 and Aetherian Archive.

It does place reliance on a few DDs (very annoying when you’re doing a vcr3 or gs) but what else could you do.

I guess the only thing left is to have a trail where a specific class skill is needed - let’s hope they don’t think of that one

I don't mind portal mechanics as long as it fits the story. I like how KA has the boat mechanics where players need to kill the boss on the boat or he'll spawn in more adds.

I guess it's a fine balance because I really don't like gratuitous mechanics: mechs put in place for the sake of making a challenge rather than having a context to the battle. I really don't like the music room mechs in SE but I do enjoy the portal mechs on the last boss.

Cloudrest is team coordination: the trial. Between dropping hoarfrost, portals (going in after tank, doing correct portal, having self heal), stacking for flares, barswapping for voltaic overload, running for shards, killing creepers…
There’s nothing in there that doesn’t require team coordination and that’s what makes it one of the most fun trials, it’s difficult but doable.

AS and DSR are similar in needing team coordination, though AS doesn’t have a “portal”. The trials that don’t require coordination are noticeably easier and more boring.

Sorry Reborn, but I am seeing it as the others here. If you only want to do some *pew* *pew* *pew* and be done with it thingy, then you should NOT do trials on vet or vet/hm in the first place. The whole reason for those trials (trial modes) existing is, that players have something to do where they NEED TO PLAY TOGETHER in a COORDINATED way!

Btw., if you find the mechs in ESO troubling, try playing an asian MMO (eg. AION). Without coordinated teamplay you won't get any group content done in those games !!!

I tank "solo" vCR portals by running the orbs after they're exposed while the lone DPS just focuses on destroying the crystals and going back up. If you are failing to do vCR portals, it is not an unfair difficulty issue. It seems you and your groups need to practice more.

because either the dps didn't slot a self heal or we didn't send the spear down in time.

Expecting DD's to slot a self heal before entering an area without a healer has nothing to do with coordination. It just requires common sense and a basic understanding of what they are supposed to do.
Likewise, expecting a healer or another DD to keep an eye on spears and press x has nothing to do with coordination. It's just requires basic understanding of the mechanics.
Veteran Trials are more than just tank'n'spank and that's a good thing.

no1care wrote: »

If we just got rid of all mechanics in the game period, then people could feel like super hereos and have all the rewards without having to put any effort into it at all.

...which would be awful.

Honestly, I would love more mechanics that can't be ignored in this game. After you play for long enough, only hard mode of anything (trials, vet dungeons) seems to offer any challenge at all and even a lot of that is repetitive/boring once you learn and do it a couple times.

So really I would say just learn the mechanics and practice with a team who doesn't expect everything to just work the first few tries without any strategy and adapting to the situation. The game would be very dull without these things for most people, seriously.

I am all for mechanics, I personally am just finding portals overdone.

The only one that is kind of silly is Vrol in Kyne's Aegis. I'm not sure how it was on release since I only got into trials around High Isle but it's a real lame duck of a portal. There's some guy on a boat who is so weak you don't even want to waste a ballista shot on, you just pop into a magic portal and beat his fairly low health ass without breaking a sweat. It's quite literally simply an inconvenience rather than being an actual mechanic any group worries about.

HUH

Portal mechs in dungeons shouldn't be a thing period its annoying and disruptive not really hard ie like last boss of The Dread Cellar.

I don't really mind portals in trials as long as 4 or more people are allowed through any portal mech that need 3 or less is distracting and just unnecessary especially Cloudrest there's so much stuff going on already on top of the portal stuff if you want hard just do +2 or +3

Portal mechs are a crutch and lazy at this stage of this game
ESO dev be like:" like hur dur how we make this trial harder"
other dev" just add a portal and put 3 pinecones in it that if they don't collect in exactly 8.3 seconds will uninstall the game after death."

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Elric_665 wrote: »

If you don't want to play any kind of Mechanic, stick to Fungal Grotto 1 and Aetherian Archive.

Wait, Fungal Grotto 1 has no mechanics? Then what am I paying attention to during the Goblin chief fight and the final boss fight? How are you defining "mechanic" if you don't consider FG1 to have any mecganics? Being powerful or healthy enough to ignore certain mechanics is one thing, but that doesn't mean the mechanics you were able to ignore didn't exist.

functionally speaking those arent really mechanics lol

the goblin chief has the one aoe attack, but thats about it, and its dmg is so low that even on vet is pretty ignorable

kragh on vet HM the only "mechanic" it has is "dont stand in red" and you can successfully clear it

i think the point people are making is that a mechanic as simple as "dont stand in red" is too simple

while i think the OP point is making is that a "full group wipe if you dont do X fast enough" is not fun because it gets frustrating

i personally think the portal mechanic in cloudrest has way too short of a timer, but dont think it should be removed entirely, like i get the point of the portals, but i dont like the bizarrely short timers on them, there is 0 room to learn or make mistakes because oops now the group wipes if you are trying to learn, and repeat wiping is an exercise in frustration.

so i dont think that the mechanic should be removed, i think it should just be a little less punishing

as others have noted, good very high dps groups can skip the mechanic entirely

RebornV3x wrote: »

I don't really mind portals in trials as long as 4 or more people are allowed through any portal mech that need 3 or less is distracting and just unnecessary especially Cloudrest there's so much stuff going on already on top of the portal stuff if you want hard just do +2 or +3

Portals are, what +2 or +3 makes vCR hard. Because the remaining players have to deal with the mechs. Stacking fire is more difficult, because you have less players to stack with etc.

If you remove portals from vCR, then you have exactly this, what I mentioned in the 2nd comment: stack and burn.