Thanks for destroying the most valuable item in the game :(

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

Ayalockheart wrote: »

There a Fine line between “rare” and “nearly impossible to drop”….

is it considered rare if ppl can drop it within 10min 3 TIMES IN A ROW?? [Snip] NO! i never said i wouldve had anything against a small increase of the drop rate, but SMALL not by 99,9%... can you imagine how anyone have to feel who wasted weeks, probably months trying to get that rare gem bcs they really wanted or paid 100M+ in order to have something exclusive to put in their room and now it drops more often than golden mats on daily crafting writs? [Snip].

[Edited for profanity bypass and baiting]

Rowjoh · March 2024

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

amig186 wrote: »

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

Seems like i just threw 50M out the window...

Yes. Yes, you did. But it was your choice to pay 50m for bragging rights.

How should i know the increased the drop rate that drastically? They really destroyed the game for me with that, not even just bcs i lost 50M also bcs rare items was one of the main reasons i was playing the game.

because you're an Elder of Tamriel.

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

Kite42 wrote: »

If you're a collector, then isn't it better when the drop rate increases. That way you can collect even more of them?!

Unless you were selling them, in which case the sympathy oasis has succumbed to global warming

if youre a collector you want to collect rare things and not trash. thats the point in collecting, you spend your time to aquire something rare which you can then display in your home and be proud to have it. im no bookmark collector but would you collect a bookmark which exists millions of times and can be bought at any store? probably not

M1SHAAN · March 2024

I'm personally happy about the increased drop rate (though I'd also be happy if they had kept it fairly rare but achievable). Aesthetics aside, the value of the furnishing for me is the story: how the drop rate was so low that there was rarely more than one on TTC at a time, if that; how they would sell for tens if not hundreds of millions of gold because each person who got one could basically set their own price... How I'd every once in a while decide to "play the lottery" by going and looting all the urns in the forgotten wastes, imagining, what if... would I keep, or would I sell?

And then, how the drop rate was increased dramatically without warning, torpedoing the market basically overnight. How the drops were so plentiful that even I could find one. That's part of the story too.

That story has value and meaning to me, so I'm going to cherish the banner I found. It may not be "rare" anymore, but it's still special.

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

Braffin wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

If you're a collector, then isn't it better when the drop rate increases. That way you can collect even more of them?!

Unless you were selling them, in which case the sympathy oasis has succumbed to global warming

It seems they weren't interested in the item itself but only it's rarity.

I don't get it either, but some people want to have items others can't afford simply because those others can't afford.

Doesn't matter if the item itself is a banner or an apple. As long as it's expensive, it's interesting.

isnt really about the price. its about the rarity of an item. the alinor mirrors for example are also very rare but if they get sold, most long term players can afford it with a price of 3-5M. also the vvardenfell plants are getting sold for 1500 gold from time to time and they are very rare

Ayalockheart · March 2024

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

Ayalockheart wrote: »

There a Fine line between “rare” and “nearly impossible to drop”….

is it considered rare if ppl can drop it within 10min 3 TIMES IN A ROW?? F*CK NO! i never said i wouldve had anything against a small increase of the drop rate, but SMALL not by 99,9%... can you imagine how anyone have to feel who wasted weeks, probably months trying to get that rare gem bcs they really wanted or paid 100M+ in order to have something exclusive to put in their room and now it drops more often than golden mats on daily crafting writs? you were probably jealous on ppl who had it and bcs you were not able to get.

And will drop more because the chase will increase gradually increasing the amount of banners in the server until nobody cares about it anymore. It is like so with recipes too.

And yes, that’s how “rare” works altho only Zenimax know the amount of code mess exists behind the drop table

LunaFlora · March 2024

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

Ayalockheart wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

If you're a collector, then isn't it better when the drop rate increases. That way you can collect even more of them?!

Unless you were selling them, in which case the sympathy oasis has succumbed to global warming

It seems they weren't interested in the item itself but only it's rarity.

I don't get it either, but some people want to have items others can't afford simply because those others can't afford.

Doesn't matter if the item itself is a banner or an apple. As long as it's expensive, it's interesting.

[Snip] 🙂

[Snip]

it's a furnishing.
people want furnishings to decorate their homes with.
it shouldn't cost 10+ times more than the most expensive home, 3.8 million.

i like collecting! i love getting all the event outfit collectibles and things like every year's jubilee cake, however i would not get upset if zos allowed people to get jubilee cakes from years they weren't able to attend.

collect for yourself because you want it yourself, but please not because you want it exclusively for you or a select few lucky/extremely rich people.

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Artim_X · March 2024

A basic banner like that shouldn't cost so much. As others have said, ZOS should fix the drop rate for items like these.

ssewallb14_ESO · March 2024

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

Can you please confirm whether or not this is intended?

KlauthWarthog · March 2024

No mention of that on the patch notes.
It is either a bug, yet another stealth change, or a lack of governance over the game changes.
None of those options make me happy.

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

Jaraal wrote: »

ElderSmitter wrote: »

Everyone is assuming the Drop Rate was Increased intentionally. It could have been a defective Code causing the RNG to increase.

There has been no official statement from ZOS about this other than it was intended to be rare. When Maelstrom Arena started giving out Perfected weapons on Normal people were thanking ZOS like it was intended and they quickly fixed that.

So 50/50 it was intended imo.

I was wondering if it was a situation where a zero or two were dropped or something. I could imagine a theoretical drop rate of 1 in 100,000 from the beginning. Let's say somebody decides to drop it to a more reasonable 1 in 10,000, but instead accidentally makes it one in 1,000 or 1 in 100. It would have to be that specific code that was worked on, wouldn't it? I couldn't imagine them altering unrelated code that would somehow change an unrelated item drop rate. But who knows? Maybe they will speak up.... but I'm not counting on it.

I thought if someone probably put the same droprate for the banner the same as for the pieces of the robe of the sixth house

Treeshka · March 2024

I think we all have to agree that our efforts for acquiring something within this game will become easier one way or another at some point in the life time of the game. I think every collector should think this way and be ready for it.

Old content was hard when it was released but it is now too easy.
You can now farm the item you desire from a dungeon and it will eventually drop because of the curated sticker book.
Grinding champion points is much more easy now when they adjusted the experience curve.
Monster Masks were somewhat rare as they were only dropping a for a month, and no longer dropping until their weapon pack comes to Crown Store again for a week. But nowadays it can come up in Infinite Archive.
Furnishing Recipes of the ongoing chapter becomes dirt cheap when they make the event related to chapter after a few months of release.
Telvanni paintings were expensive but they are now dirt cheap as they adjusted the drop rate from chests.

The very same thing can happen to any rare item in the game. Maybe next patch or with a small update without giving any notice.

Araneae6537 · March 2024

LunaFlora wrote: »

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

GOOD.
everyone should be able to get items like the Sixth House banner.

nothing should be so rare people list it for 50 million gold.

i really liked the concept of very rare items the morrowind banner was probably a bit too rare indeed but its basically a joke rn it wont be worth more than 100k in a few days which is just ridiculous. i wouldve agreed if they increased the drop rate so it would actually became farmable like the alinor mirrors or such but what they did literally is a joke

i really dislike the concept of very rare items that people value at ridiculous prices of 10 or 50 million gold.

100k gold is cool! that's like what popular chest styles tend to cost.

I agree I like some items to have some rarity, but I think they went too far with many of the Morrowind furnishings, including the banner. But I agree, to be able to get three in half an hour is waaay too common.

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

LunaFlora wrote: »

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

Ayalockheart wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

If you're a collector, then isn't it better when the drop rate increases. That way you can collect even more of them?!

Unless you were selling them, in which case the sympathy oasis has succumbed to global warming

It seems they weren't interested in the item itself but only it's rarity.

I don't get it either, but some people want to have items others can't afford simply because those others can't afford.

Doesn't matter if the item itself is a banner or an apple. As long as it's expensive, it's interesting.

[Snip]

[Snip]

it's a furnishing.
people want furnishings to decorate their homes with.
it shouldn't cost 10+ times more than the most expensive home, 3.8 million.

i like collecting! i love getting all the event outfit collectibles and things like every year's jubilee cake, however i would not get upset if zos allowed people to get jubilee cakes from years they weren't able to attend.

collect for yourself because you want it yourself, but please not because you want it exclusively for you or a select few lucky/extremely rich people.

they are doing that as far as ive seen. but ppl wont get the full cake as the original but just a plate with 1 piece on it. which i also think is cool. but just destroying rare items like that isnt right if you ask me. if they wanted to make the banner available to everyone they probably shouldve let it drop bound as other stuff is like the books or banners in Scriveners Hall. still unsure if this is intentional or not tho. opened a support case

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Ayalockheart · March 2024

Treeshka wrote: »

I think we all have to agree that our efforts for acquiring something within this game will become easier one way or another at some point in the life time of the game. I think every collector should think this way and be ready for it.

Old content was hard when it was released but it is now too easy.
You can now farm the item you desire from a dungeon and it will eventually drop because of the curated sticker book.
Grinding champion points is much more easy now when they adjusted the experience curve.
Monster Masks were somewhat rare as they were only dropping a for a month, and no longer dropping until their weapon pack comes to Crown Store again for a week. But nowadays it can come up in Infinite Archive.
Furnishing Recipes of the ongoing chapter becomes dirt cheap when they make the event related to chapter after a few months of release.
Telvanni paintings were expensive but they are now dirt cheap as they adjusted the drop rate from chests.

The very same thing can happen to any rare item in the game. Maybe next patch or with a small update without giving any notice.

Yeah, they made the game systems work in a way you will get it one way or another. There’s very little you can not achieve with time and effort like the older cakes and some promo pets but I wouldn’t be surprised if these become available eventually in a near future.

TheMasterMeme · March 2024

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

I thought if someone probably put the same droprate for the banner the same as for the pieces of the robe of the sixth house

I think it should be about as common as those robe fragments, if not just slightly rarer. But something like a banner furnishing should not be so rare only few people can get it.

Also is just a digital item of pixels, so just allow it to be realistically obtainable so people can have it if they wish, without having to spend so much time grinding just to not get it.

Also it does not even look that good for it to be that rare anyway, and even has an issue with it's animation where it does not loop that well if I remember correctly.

MafiaCat115 · March 2024

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I wish they would fix the SUPER rare drop rates of some items such as this, the Daedric fence furnishing plan, and others, but it should absolutely be in the patch notes.

I definitely wish that they would say things like this in the patch notes. Even if it's not any specifics, just saying something along the lines of "Increased the drop rates for X".

I also agree with the sentiment that if anything should've had a boosted drop rate, it should've been the Lost Thesis. That at least has a practical benefit to players.

subarctic · March 2024

Why on earth did you pay 50 million for that ugly banner?

Braffin · March 2024

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

If you're a collector, then isn't it better when the drop rate increases. That way you can collect even more of them?!

Unless you were selling them, in which case the sympathy oasis has succumbed to global warming

It seems they weren't interested in the item itself but only it's rarity.

I don't get it either, but some people want to have items others can't afford simply because those others can't afford.

Doesn't matter if the item itself is a banner or an apple. As long as it's expensive, it's interesting.

isnt really about the price. its about the rarity of an item. the alinor mirrors for example are also very rare but if they get sold, most long term players can afford it with a price of 3-5M. also the vvardenfell plants are getting sold for 1500 gold from time to time and they are very rare

If this isn't about coin, then there is no issue at all.

Your individual banner is still one of the rare ones and you know that for yourself. Sure, you can't brag about it (which is a bad habit anyways), but you own now something meanwhile unobtainable, as the original rarity is gone.

It's really the same as with titles for example. When I got flawless conqueror back in 2017 it was a bit harder to do than nowadays. So, shall we prevent players to earn such titles by deactivating their earnability after a given amount of power creep?

Shall we undo curation because I had to farm my trial gear uncurated back in the days?

Of course not. But what makes you think furniture (or market prices) should be the one and only exception to adjusting values within the game as time moves on?

On a sidenote: The "most valuable" item wasn't destroyed as claimed falsely in the headline, but made more accessible. That's quite the contrary of destroying something. You sure it's not about the price?

wolfie1.0. · March 2024

Jaraal wrote: »

Ayalockheart wrote: »

Alright, for those who shelled out big bucks for it, let's be real—your 'collections' might not make much sense to others. At the end of the day, the value of something unique is pretty personal, right? What's a treasure to you might just be another item to someone else. So, if you went all-in on something like the Sixth House Banner, just remember, it's all about what it means to you, not everyone else.

With this line of thinking, they should probably just make 100,000 copies of the Mona Lisa, destroy the original, and sell them for 100 bucks each. That way everybody can have some cool art, and nobody needs to waste any money traveling to the Louve or anything.

You can buy a replica of the Mona Lisa for 20 to 200 dollars USD on Amazon, the price difference is just about the framing. Same applies to most art in the louve you just can't try to sell as original art.

Aurielle · March 2024

I never cease to be amazed by the things people complain about in this game. Looked up an image of said banner and thought “50 million gold … for THAT?” I wouldn’t even spend 50 million gold on a P2W PVP item that allowed me to win every encounter, let alone an ugly furnishing that only I will see in my digital house

Vulkunne · March 2024

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

The longer you wait the worse it will be and not paying attention to patch notes or news about upcoming changes does not make good business sense. Not ZOS fault on this one.

This change wasn't detailed in the patch notes. At least, I hope it was an intended change as some of these items are so rare as to be practically non-existent.

That said I'm sorry you lost your coin OP. Wish I could help!

So I 'visited' a certain delve in North Vvardenfell and um you know I never even noticed what was really in there. When I was hunting Skyshards I just ran thru there real fast like... choooooowwwwww. But yeah that place is interesting and I found some rooms in there I never even knew existed.

Scored me a 6th House Banner for 1.25 mill this morning. Never even knew these existed either. What a great patch.

wolfie1.0. · March 2024

In the end zos was bound to make a change in just depends on whether it was intentional or not.

I mean if you don't want drop rates to change on rare items then jewelry shouldn't have changed, neither should Columbine drop rates.

But that is not how it works and ultimately we don't control how things go.

I do agree that rare things needs and should exist. But there are rare drops and drops that might as well not exist.... and honestly there really isn't a point to that last one.

Vulkunne · March 2024

Aurielle wrote: »

I never cease to be amazed by the things people complain about in this game. Looked up an image of said banner and thought “50 million gold … for THAT?” I wouldn’t even spend 50 million gold on a P2W PVP item that allowed me to win every encounter, let alone an ugly furnishing that only I will see in my digital house

Yeah this thing's ugly as hell. But that's its charm. I also noticed the Dark Brotherhood candles in the crypt. This will go nicely with my own Crypt >:D

But yeah I would never cough up 150 Mill for something like this. Sometimes these things happen for a reason. Ha-hah

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

TheMasterMeme wrote: »

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

I thought if someone probably put the same droprate for the banner the same as for the pieces of the robe of the sixth house

I think it should be about as common as those robe fragments, if not just slightly rarer. But something like a banner furnishing should not be so rare only few people can get it.

Also is just a digital item of pixels, so just allow it to be realistically obtainable so people can have it if they wish, without having to spend so much time grinding just to not get it.

Also it does not even look that good for it to be that rare anyway, and even has an issue with it's animation where it does not loop that well if I remember correctly.

where is the fun and anticipation of farming something when youll likely drop it in a few minutes? that doesnt makes sense at all. doesnt matter if the banner looks good in your opinion or not

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

Braffin wrote: »

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

If you're a collector, then isn't it better when the drop rate increases. That way you can collect even more of them?!

Unless you were selling them, in which case the sympathy oasis has succumbed to global warming

It seems they weren't interested in the item itself but only it's rarity.

I don't get it either, but some people want to have items others can't afford simply because those others can't afford.

Doesn't matter if the item itself is a banner or an apple. As long as it's expensive, it's interesting.

isnt really about the price. its about the rarity of an item. the alinor mirrors for example are also very rare but if they get sold, most long term players can afford it with a price of 3-5M. also the vvardenfell plants are getting sold for 1500 gold from time to time and they are very rare

If this isn't about coin, then there is no issue at all.

Your individual banner is still one of the rare ones and you know that for yourself. Sure, you can't brag about it (which is a bad habit anyways), but you own now something meanwhile unobtainable, as the original rarity is gone.

It's really the same as with titles for example. When I got flawless conqueror back in 2017 it was a bit harder to do than nowadays. So, shall we prevent players to earn such titles by deactivating their earnability after a given amount of power creep?

Shall we undo curation because I had to farm my trial gear uncurated back in the days?

Of course not. But what makes you think furniture (or market prices) should be the one and only exception to adjusting values within the game as time moves on?

On a sidenote: The "most valuable" item wasn't destroyed as claimed falsely in the headline, but made more accessible. That's quite the contrary of destroying something. You sure it's not about the price?

no its not one of the rare ones

ElderOfTamriel · March 2024

Aurielle wrote: »

I never cease to be amazed by the things people complain about in this game. Looked up an image of said banner and thought “50 million gold … for THAT?” I wouldn’t even spend 50 million gold on a P2W PVP item that allowed me to win every encounter, let alone an ugly furnishing that only I will see in my digital house

im sorry if you cant feel into a collector

Sakiri · March 2024

This is basically about bragging rights.

Braffin · March 2024

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Kite42 wrote: »

If you're a collector, then isn't it better when the drop rate increases. That way you can collect even more of them?!

Unless you were selling them, in which case the sympathy oasis has succumbed to global warming

It seems they weren't interested in the item itself but only it's rarity.

I don't get it either, but some people want to have items others can't afford simply because those others can't afford.

Doesn't matter if the item itself is a banner or an apple. As long as it's expensive, it's interesting.

isnt really about the price. its about the rarity of an item. the alinor mirrors for example are also very rare but if they get sold, most long term players can afford it with a price of 3-5M. also the vvardenfell plants are getting sold for 1500 gold from time to time and they are very rare

If this isn't about coin, then there is no issue at all.

Your individual banner is still one of the rare ones and you know that for yourself. Sure, you can't brag about it (which is a bad habit anyways), but you own now something meanwhile unobtainable, as the original rarity is gone.

It's really the same as with titles for example. When I got flawless conqueror back in 2017 it was a bit harder to do than nowadays. So, shall we prevent players to earn such titles by deactivating their earnability after a given amount of power creep?

Shall we undo curation because I had to farm my trial gear uncurated back in the days?

Of course not. But what makes you think furniture (or market prices) should be the one and only exception to adjusting values within the game as time moves on?

On a sidenote: The "most valuable" item wasn't destroyed as claimed falsely in the headline, but made more accessible. That's quite the contrary of destroying something. You sure it's not about the price?

no its not one of the rare ones

Then I can at least understand your anger regarding this specific transaction.

That has nothing to do with overall drop chances tho.

Kappachi · March 2024

You were happy with the price and that's why you bought it. Even if an update one day later changes the drop rate, yesterday (or whenever you bought it) you were fine with that price, that's how business works.