I dont play vamp and I still do extremely well in bgs, until I run into a player of equal skill on vamp, who is also running masterdw vatesh maarselok & dragons appetite.

Still like to duel them though, as they can no doubt tell that undeath and op proc gear is the only thing keeping them alive. Honor is not dead. 🥱

vamp fire dmg used to REALLY hurt back in the day. But it was very popular back in 2014 because the ultimate used to make you invisible and wiped zergs. Back then classes that couldnt move had miss chance in their kit so they didnt look for mobility (dk's and templars). So vampire got REALLY popular when they took away that defense from these classes and they only had mist form for mobility.

It needs it's fire dmg weakness returned. Or a day/night cycle added so you are weaker in day cycles. Personally I like the day cycle RPG flare better for this, but mechanically the fire weakness is better to match across all game modes.

Daruq wrote: »

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Vampire is not a class but a bonus skill line you can add to all your non-ww characters. It costs zero and barely affects anything.

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Akatron wrote: »

The undead passiv give you only a short extansion of your reaction time at low HP-moments.

It makes you not unkillable but that reaction-moment can help, especially new pvp-ones and low APM-Player, against stealth-ganker. And with help i mean you have a chance to survive but no guarantee.

All in all an undead nerf is like an stealth-ganker buff.

Is not only the Undeath giving you 30% mitigation based on Health Missing.

Is also Strike from the Shadows, getting out mist and getting a 500+ Weapon/Spell Damage (300 + buffs) and Unnatural Movement which is making you Invisible when you sprint over 3 seconds.

A mortal DOES NOT have anything to counter this. That is why almost every single character is Vampire.

THERE ARE NO PENALTIES, only bonuses compared to a Mortal.

That is why ZOS either needs to drop the nerf hammer on Vampire or buff the Mortals to be able to compete in Cyrodiil.

The only real counter to vampires are werewolves. Has Twilight taught us nothing!? Or Underworld?? Vampires should fear fur and fang. Give werewolves a hard counter to vampires and let Cyro rage with the legendary war to end all wars.

Heals_With_Orbs wrote: »

What I would like to ask is who decided that vampires can run around in the day time with no penalty? They are creatures of the night, alongside werewolves, who transform under a full moon. There should be a severe penalty for players like this in PVP. Why has the lore of vampires changed in this game?

Werewolves in TES don't follow all of the modern day werewolf tropes — notably, they don't always transform on full moons. Consider how in TES III, you would automatically transform every night, or how in TES V (which inspired the implementation in ESO) you would only transform whenever you use the transformation ability, which can be used at any time of day.

It's important to keep in mind that ESO is a video game. Imagine locking players out of content like a werewolf transformation just because they didn't log in while both moons were full — then imagine their frustration when they want to do things in town but they're forced into werewolf form for several hours unwillingly.

Yes, the roleplaying factor suffers if you believe that all werewolves must transform on a full moon (you can thank the film The Wolf Man (1941) for that addition to modern day werewolf lore) but werewolves in TES operate slightly differently. It's not worth trying to enforce certain roleplay aspects if the gameplay suffers significantly because of it.


Besides, ESO and Skyrim already have their unique way of blending werewolf roleplay with gameplay — you extend your transformation as long as you keep slaughtering and devouring prey, and your transformation lasts longer for every transformed werewolf in your pack. It's a clever way to reinforce the roleplay fantasy that werewolves are bloodthirsty beasts who group together; it incentivizes players to act in this manner, rather than punishing them for not doing so.

If you want werewolves to be more prominent during the night of full moons, then give them a buff of some kind while the moons are full to incentivize players to transform at those times. Don't nerf werewolves just because the moons aren't currently full.

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

The only real counter to vampires are werewolves. Has Twilight taught us nothing!? Or Underworld?? Vampires should fear fur and fang. Give werewolves a hard counter to vampires and let Cyro rage with the legendary war to end all wars.

yeah the campaign "Grayhost" would deserve the name

Imagine the rage if vampires were locked to only using their skill line abilities while transformed like werewolves ...

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

In Cyrodiil & BGs, Vampires should NOT have access to Fighters Guild abilities, should NOT have access to any fire ability, glyph even Dragonknights fire skills should be unavailable at PVP zones and buff Fighters Guild skills to their 10 years old state, with chance to crit one shot any vampire while doing +100% more damage against them applying effects like staggering etc.

Would people actually use guild skills? You don't know if your opponents are vampires, and the space for abilities is very limited. Even the current 20% boost would be great, if anyone uses them at all.

Also I'd still keep vampire in pvp because of being able to sprint across whole map in stealth, a very cheap spammable, and a second-life ultimate which beats all else.


Why can't people just accept the superior race?