Syldras wrote: »

RonFSwanson wrote: »

I just wanted Dwemer legacy to keep going (even if it is partially). Besides; it always makes me disappointed not to be able to see hybrids in Elder Scrolls universe. I know according to Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny, child is considered his mother's race but; also carries his father's race's some characteristics so; in Elder Scrolls they are basically hybrids with dominant maternally inherited characteristics. Dwemers were considered part of chimer in the past, dunmer used to call them House Dwemer, even. So; is it really bad idea to write a history about legacy of chimer-dwemer hybrids?

I have no problem with writing more lore about them, but I don't think limiting a Dwemer engineer class to them makes sense when the greatest Dwemer engineers known are clearly not of Dwemer descent.

You have a point but; I actually don't know how to modify my idea. Dunmer race with dwemer ancestry would be meaningless in that case because; we do not know if Dwemer used to have some racial traits (except; beards and height but; these are the traits you can see in ordinary dunmer, too.) so; they are basically dunmer with long-gone genetic legacy. I actually though those guys as kinda cult. Pseudo-religious, dwemer-obsessed people who are dunmer with negligible dwemer blood in their veins. I dunno.

Syldras wrote: »

And no, Dwemer were never Chimer. They were politically linked (Dumac and Nerevar were said to be as close as brothers), but not the same race.

Let me rephrase my words. Eventhough; they were different race than chimer, they found a political acceptance in them.

The Elder Scrolls Wiki wrote:

Great Houses that have been referenced in the games to date are House Dagoth, House Dres, House Hlaalu, House Indoril, House Redoran, House Sadras and House Telvanni. All but House Dagoth and House Sadras had a stake in Morrowind's governance for most of its history. House Dagoth was destroyed following the events at the Battle of Red Mountain, while House Sadras replaced House Hlaalu following the Red Year. During the time of Resdayn in the First Era, the Dwemer were also accorded the status of a House, referred to as "House Dwemer."

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Houses

A few more comments.

RonFSwanson wrote: »

Their appearance almost indistinguishable from ordinary dunmer except; their height and long beards.

Wouldn't it be extremely weird if that would still show after many generations and with only a very small percentage of Dwemeri ancestry? Also, Dwemer were about the same height as Chimer. When it comes to beard growth, I have no clue, but it could just be a cultural difference, that Chimer/Dunmer tend to shave or have shorter beards while long beards were valued by the Dwemer.

RonFSwanson wrote: »

Also, some of dunmer are skeptical about their pursuits which may cause playing the god, again like dwemer and tribunal did in the past. And, this may shatter all of the political and natural order.

Past? We're in the 2nd era, Tribunal worship is at its prime, including the worship of Sotha Sil.

RonFSwanson wrote: »

Wait, age of Tribunal members more than 1000 as far as I know.

I'm not sure what you mean. Could you explain?

What I meant was that ordinary Dunmer would probably not be extremely afraid of Dwemer researchers when they're just worshipping a God that's exactly that. (Also, the Tribunal has to renew their powers by using the Heart of Lorkhan once in a while, but that's of course unknown to the public.)

RonFSwanson wrote: »

I mean their age is older than 1000 years, isn't that right?

Their exact year of birth is unknown, but they were adults when the Battle of Red Mountain took place, which was around 1E 700. The first era ended in 1E 2920. ESO takes place in 2E 582. So, yes, definitively.

RonFSwanson wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

RonFSwanson wrote: »

Wait, age of Tribunal members more than 1000 as far as I know.

I'm not sure what you mean. Could you explain?

I mean their age is older than 1000 years, isn't that right?

they are several thousands years old.
i think close to or older than 4k.

in 1E 416 Sotha Sil was Nerevar's teacher.
2920 was the last year of 1E, so 2920−416

+582 which is the current year = 3086.
so at least that much

no clue about Ayem or Vivec, but they're roughly the same age

Syldras wrote: »

And now I'm somehow wondering what percentage of Dwemer blood someone would have to have for disappearing with the rest of them

I discarded that part but what I though was at least 50%

Syldras wrote: »

Oh, another thing I noticed: Spinners are actually already in game. That's what they call "warden" as a class. It has the official description "Wardens are defenders of the Green, master storytellers whose nature tales become magical reality." That's exactly what a spinner is.

Answer;

RonFSwanson wrote: »

About; the difference between spinners and wardens. Spinners are followers of Green Pact and their all members are bosmer. Also, when I think about Warden, its aesthetics gives me LOTR's Mirkwood-esque vibes with Cryomancy elements. On the other hand, because of Green Pact, Spinner aesthetics should have more Hircine-esque vibes than Kyne-esque vibes. Also possible "ritualistic cannibalism" skill should grant them different bonuses and possible bounty on their head if they are caught during eating a human corpse and they are outside of Valenwood.

UESP wrote:

The scholar Phrastus of Elinhir claimed that Wardens are nothing more than a militant group of Bosmer Spinners, though this is contested by his rival Lady Cinnabar of Taneth. Both groups may worship Y'ffre, but Wardens can be of any race, while only Bosmer can be Spinners. Additionally, Spinners are typically nonviolent, while Wardens are more than willing to shed blood to varying degrees of those who seek to harm the wilds. Another difference is that Wardens draw upon the environment to shape reality, and cast powerful spells utilizing conjuration or alteration magic, while Spinners specialize in entrancing their audience in stories via illusions. Lastly, Wardens do not follow the Green Pact either (excluding those who are both Warden and Bosmer), as they're willing to make full use of nature's bounty to survive.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wardens

xHotguy6pack wrote: »

Dremora. Not sure why that isn't a thing yet. Considering you ally yourself with some since oblivion.

I don't know, wouldn't it be too much to expect? How much do we know about them? And dremoras are faithful servants to Daedric Princes AFAIK. For example; let's consider main questline. If a dremora fight against Manimarco and Molag Bal, that means this dremora is either rogue or under service of another daedric prince (except; Lyranth's case ) so; this makes things very complex I believe. Also; can a dremora be a vestige?

LunaFlora wrote: »

RonFSwanson wrote: »

xHotguy6pack wrote: »

Dremora. Not sure why that isn't a thing yet. Considering you ally yourself with some since oblivion.

I don't know, wouldn't it be too much to expect? How much do we know about them? And dremoras are faithful servants to Daedric Princes AFAIK. For example; let's consider main questline. If a dremora fight against Manimarco and Molag Bal, that means this dremora is either rogue or under service of another daedric prince (except; Lyranth's case ) so; this makes things very complex I believe. Also; can a dremora be a vestige?

daedric souls are called vestiges.
they're similar to The Vestige, but The Vestige used to have a soul so they have to first be a mortal which daedra are not.

What do you think, isn't adding dremora ruin game's consistency and cause some plot holes?