Werewolf should be a complete toggle

m.ninehouser_ESO · April 2014

yeah i can't stand addons. for the raid-obsessed pin-heads.

granted some of them look useful and not terrifically unfair. but still. combat advantages within addons, even if unintentional, should be strictly restricted.

Syrrisdevlin · April 2014

IM not sure who said it but I love it togable WW thing where you get a percent of the max timer I love it decrease the heck out of ultimate gain and make it so each point of ultimate is 1sec of WW form so max you could get is 1000sec of ww form ok maybe 1000sec is a little op but is it really if it took you 10,000sec to gather that up???basically im thinking is 1 ultimate point should take about 10sec to gather so the trade off is 1 sec for 10sec of grinding cause is it stand you get like 1sec for 2-3mins of grinding least that's how it seems to me I mean this way your still forced out of ww form so you cant just run around all day in ww and the players still have to spend some time gathering ultimate and really zeni all you have to do is adjust the ability so it can be activated any time and the timer is set off players current ultimate charge amount really you wouldn't even have to nerf ultimate gains...you might have to adjust some skills/items where they reduce the ultimate req for an ability to increase ultimate gains instead but I dunno that's in your area on how that stuff is coded to work

KingShocker · April 2014

m.ninehouser_ESO wrote: »

oh okay i see. yeah that makes sense. but i think we'd be too overpowered if we could just transform whenever we wanted. maybe something like each time we transform, our stamina drains faster and faster while we are wolfed until we stay out of it long enough to recharge fully.

nah, vampires can use there abilities whenever they want, why cant we?
even transformed we're hardly OP. i spec'd completely into stamina and the damage is meh at best with 0 sustainability (of course i'm only VR3 so unless something significantly changes at VR10 that i don't know about).

A toggle that consumes ultimate points while active and lets you build ultimate points while it's off. You wouldn't be able to be in WW form all the time but you could also use it whenever you needed it.

Myreh · April 2014

I would propose that the toggle cost no ultimate and that you cannot gain ultimate points while infected (you would have to rework Blood Rage). Transform would then always fill the ultimate ability slot.

You would be invulnerable while transforming and the transform ability would have a 2-5 minute cooldown to prevent abuse (but you can stay in beast form longer if you wish). This way you must carefully think about whether or not you want to transform because you are going to be stuck as a werewolf for a minimum of 2-5 minutes.

I really have no idea.

ScardyFox · April 2014

The toggle shouldn't drain ultimate - werewolves should have their own ultimate.

Klimarov · April 2014

I'm not a WW, but i completely agree that WW needs to get revamped. Either make it toggle or the best one i think would be if it's a forced shape shift at night with passive skill in first tiers that forces to shift every night, and back to human at day time.

m.ninehouser_ESO · April 2014

KingShocker wrote: »

m.ninehouser_ESO wrote: »

oh okay i see. yeah that makes sense. but i think we'd be too overpowered if we could just transform whenever we wanted. maybe something like each time we transform, our stamina drains faster and faster while we are wolfed until we stay out of it long enough to recharge fully.

nah, vampires can use there abilities whenever they want, why cant we?
even transformed we're hardly OP. i spec'd completely into stamina and the damage is meh at best with 0 sustainability (of course i'm only VR3 so unless something significantly changes at VR10 that i don't know about).

A toggle that consumes ultimate points while active and lets you build ultimate points while it's off. You wouldn't be able to be in WW form all the time but you could also use it whenever you needed it.

maybe this is because you're doing veteran content? i'm lvl 28 and lvl 9 ww and i can't believe how easily i destroy every single thing that i come across. i have heard concerns about ww form becoming weaker as the veteran ranks are achieved though..

articwolfgirl · May 2014

Bumping this to get more attention

kaldus · May 2014

Here are some changes I would like to see in werewolf

1. Make it a toggle but still keep it as an ultimate... 500 ult lets you go into wolf form with a run speed boost, armor boost and some health regen.
2. Add a frontal cleave type attack... That way we can take on more than one mob.
3. Add bleed to the light/heavy attacks... If you're not going to boost the base damage done in werewolf form then do this. I mean we are rending and tearing flesh with our claws
4. Add a health regen and damage reduction to devour as an incentive to use it during combat... We have no health regen skills and vamps get devour essence, make our devour work the same way and while we are using it we take ~60% less damage so we can regen health and not get trashed by mobs while doing it... Maybe throw in some stamina regen too. That's all I can think of for now.

Xarko · May 2014

Yesterday I fought an elite werewolf and I was just kiting him around checking his animations. There actually IS !!!! an animation for a very cool frontal cleave attack. He starts swinging his hands in front of him and even do some bites at the end of it. We need this one to become a usable skill for players. Its already in the game ! Just fiddle with numbers a bit and put it in.

thywolfb16_ESO2 · May 2014

m.ninehouser_ESO wrote: »

nah, vampires can use there abilities whenever they want, why cant we?
even transformed we're hardly OP. i spec'd completely into stamina and the damage is meh at best with 0 sustainability (of course i'm only VR3 so unless something significantly changes at VR10 that i don't know about).

A toggle that consumes ultimate points while active and lets you build ultimate points while it's off. You wouldn't be able to be in WW form all the time but you could also use it whenever you needed it.

maybe this is because you're doing veteran content? i'm lvl 28 and lvl 9 ww and i can't believe how easily i destroy every single thing that i come across. i have heard concerns about ww form becoming weaker as the veteran ranks are achieved though..[/quote]

yeah once you actually get up to the levels your suppose to be able to get WW at, its pretty dull, as a level 32 in the hunting grounds, I did more damage to the mobs as a dragonknight then as a werewolf...and that's the area where your force to be a werewolf in til you get your skill line.

The WW are currently lacking in being the unstoppable juggernauts they should be. All being one has gotten me is +50% poison damage and a wasted ultimate slot

stimpy986b14_ESO · May 2014

Werewolf form should work like Sorc's Overload ult.

would still cost 1000 ult but lasts as long as you have ult built up and attacks consume ult points (light-20 and heavy 100), abilities will still consume stam.

feeding would build ult points (200) instead of extending time as it does now.

Of course, for this to work, feeding should be limited to once per corpse

ljb2k5_ESO · May 2014

Make the form free to use, and have it's own skills, but make werewolf form and vamp stage 4 cause most NPC's in towns and villages to become hostile to you. (NPC vamps and werewolves notwithstanding). There is the "cursed" downside.

liquid_wolf · May 2014

In PvE the Werewolf form is something used as a gag/joke to get a laugh out of people I'm gaming with.

In PvP, the fear effect is alright, but rarely do I encounter a situation where I can be effective.

It seems that without other werewolves, or another group of players backing me up, even a 1v1 fight is going to be tricky.

I can accept the game is balanced for group play, but the werewolf doesn't give any kind of benefit. It ultimately has no added value to your character at this point other than flavor.

If the point of werewolf is to BE in werewolf form, then the form shouldn't be this difficult to obtain.

The ultimate required, the time it takes to transform, and the effectiveness of the werewolf abilities do not make it any better than sticking with your human form and whatever abilities and ultimates you have there.

Hell... even with five other werewolves with you... the players are far more effective and useful if they stay in human form than transforming.

There just isn't a benefit to being a werewolf at this point... not in PvE or PvP.

liquid_wolf · May 2014

m.ninehouser_ESO wrote: »

maybe this is because you're doing veteran content? i'm lvl 28 and lvl 9 ww and i can't believe how easily i destroy every single thing that i come across. i have heard concerns about ww form becoming weaker as the veteran ranks are achieved though..

I've encountered this as well. Werewolf was fantastic at lower levels, but ultimately began to become a liability at 40+ content.

Transforming was very likely to get me killed unless the mob I was fighting was at half health and the only one left alive.

If I was in a spider den, or fighting undead, I could not get involved with multiple groups due to the poison damage.

in VR content, I believe this is going to hurt even more.

Earthwardzilvox_ESO · May 2014

Not a werewolf, but I suggest coming back with real data. Get damage meters, and prove that your damage isn't significantly higher (or maybe even lower) in WW form than otherwise. Show it relative to other buffs - make a logic based complaint, not one of irritation.

Brittany_Joy · May 2014

Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »

Not a werewolf, but I suggest coming back with real data. Get damage meters, and prove that your damage isn't significantly higher (or maybe even lower) in WW form than otherwise. Show it relative to other buffs - make a logic based complaint, not one of irritation.

Great idea, someone should do that. We need facts and info on why being a werewolf is weak.