malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Also @Nox_Aeterna‌

It is RMT. Real Money Trade(r)

Not RTM. Might wanna get that right if you plan on selfishly helping them gut the game down the road.

Yup i do , sorry.

Still , i dont plan on using real money at all.

I will just trade in game , he can then sell the gold to whoever he/she wants , that is not my problem from that point on.

Like said above , i will glady support zen problems , to solve my own caused by zen.

Funny circle really.

Zen > Player > RMT > Zen.

Yep. At this point I rather just give a few bucks for some of these recipes than continuing grind-farming. Anything that makes it take longer to gather resources and gold benefits the automated script over the player. The script has boundless patience and all the time in the world.

Agree 100% with OP.

The only solution to combat RMT/Botters was/is to increase the drop rates of the hard to get and rare items such as the motifs, provisioning ingredients and style stones.

By flooding the market with these items prices are driven down and the need for large sums of gold is negated. This kills 2 birds with 1 stone.

Everyone gets their rare materials at reasonable, if not cheap prices and lessens or even removes the need for players to use RMT for gold/items.

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Also @Nox_Aeterna‌

It is RMT. Real Money Trade(r)

Not RTM. Might wanna get that right if you plan on selfishly helping them gut the game down the road.

Yup i do , sorry.

Still , i dont plan on using real money at all.

I will just trade in game , he can then sell the gold to whoever he/she wants , that is not my problem from that point on.

Like said above , i will glady support zen problems , to solve my own caused by zen.

Funny circle really.

Zen > Player > RMT > Zen.

"No no officer. You see i traded him 2 hours with my daughter for that smack. No money changed hands.

That's ok...right?"

And that is not an good example i would say more in the lines of:

I go to a store , i buy a very expensive brand product , which is perfectly legal. (trading gold with another player for an item)

But , the player got that item by exploring almost slave labor, which is ilegal in many places. (people using gold sellers/bots...)

Now , with my money , i did support said company , which in turn will explore even more people , creating a issue to humanitarian organizations , but i did nothing against the rules at all and most of us never get to know it. (So my gold will help bots/gold sellers... but that is a problem to zen to solve , not me and i wont even know for sure if the guy is a RMT guy or not)

People do this everyday actually.

PS: If anything my example only flaw is that , it is not the humanitarian organizations fault i need/want that product , they are just trying to solve the problem , while here it is zens. So , even more of a reason to not care.

jason.osage_ESO wrote: »

Agree 100% with OP.

The only solution to combat RMT/Botters was/is to increase the drop rates of the hard to get and rare items such as the motifs, provisioning ingredients and style stones.

By flooding the market with these items prices are driven down and the need for large sums of gold is negated. This kills 2 birds with 1 stone.

Everyone gets their rare materials at reasonable, if not cheap prices and lessens or even removes the need for players to use RMT for gold/items.

ding ding ding, we have a winner.

First of all, I have to thank the OP for posting this. It really is a problem to many of us who play the game. Personally, I will never spend any real money (other than the monthly fee of course) to buy things that I can obtain within the game on my own.

That being said, it is really difficult to get some of the things I need/want. Provisioning recipes are pretty much the highest on my list of things to obtain. I was intentionally leveling slowly just because you can only get certain recipes within a certain level range. This was fine with me when I was getting a hard to find recipe every hour or so, even if it meant that I found one that I already had.

The difference now is that instead of every hour or so, it is now more like 5-8 hours to find 1 recipe. Keep in mind that I do not count the green quality recipes in this. They are basic recipes and are still somewhat easy to find. Granted, not nearly as easy as they were.

Basically what its turned out to do to me is to make me stop playing the game as much as I did. I understand the thought behind what they did to stop the gold farmers and whatnot but I think they went about it the wrong way. If there was a way to obtain recipes without looking through every chest, wardrobe, etc (and still be legit), then I'd most certainly work towards that goal. An NPC trader that you could buy or trade recipes with would be great. I'd expect a little bit of work to make it worthwhile but I would certainly go for it instead of the current way.

Another part of this is that ingredients are hard to come by. Once you search an entire zone for ingredients, you can't easily do it again. You end up getting maybe half of what you got the first time. For someone like me who crafts more than kills, it has had a major impact on my income. Yes, selling food to vendors was my primary source of gold and actually still is even after the price got cut in half and after all this reduction in loot.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. In short, I agree that this is a problem for all of us. But I'm still going to trudge through it and make the best of it that I can.

Not sure why motifs should be all that rare anyway. Appearance items shouldn't be all that rare. heck let everyone craft all the styles right from the start. Let people have their characters look how they want with ease.

YourNameHere wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Lox wrote: »

Couldn't disagree more.

That's fine. But it's a fact that this change did nothing but help RMT sellers. So your opinion is rather irrelevant.

Didn't know your opinion was more important than anyone elses, @ChairGraveyard. What makes yours more relevant? Hm ..... nothing.

There's a difference between opinion (i.e, what you've posted) and facts, which is what I've been posting.

I wouldn't expect you to know the difference, though, since your arguments are basically "Logical fallacy logical fallacy my opinion my opinion logical fallacy."

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »

It is NOT botters that farmed loads and loads of motifs... it was "Active" players logging out and back in to farm chests, cupboards and the like over and over and over again... Someone playing more then 1 account would actualy have to log out all his accounts and back in, so I'm guessing they have alot easier ways to gather gold...

I swear, the word "Bot" has become a plaster to stick on every darned thing these days...

Blaim the active players that abused the phasing for this one already.... Here... have a peek ... forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87214/need-confirmation-is-motif-farming-a-bannable-offense

That's hilarious, and a load of crap.

Next you'll expect us to believe that it's just players sending those RMT mails which advertise provisioning recipes and motifs, right?

XD Hilarious because of how grossly misinformed/wrong you are.

Don't feed the troll everyone. Should be the only warning you need.

Osi wrote: »

Don't feed the troll everyone. Should be the only warning you need.

Says the guy white-knighting for RMT sellers and botters.

It's a good thing the RMT sellers and botters have people like you to defend them and apologize for their actions. /s

JessieColtub17_ESO wrote: »

Most likely it was the Guild Bank Exploiters who were getting the massive amounts of rares.

MASSIVE FACEPALM.

The guild bank dupe exploit did not work on motifs, only stackable materials.

What's the point of playing a long term game if you want to get all the goods in two days?

Nice straw man, but none of the blue recipes are dropping now. Including the mid level ones. Which means you outlevel the area before ever getting one.

Unless you're seriously going to try and say that level 10 blue recipes should be so rare that you are guaranteed to level past that before ever getting one. Which is ridiculous.

Which means demand for them from players is high, while player supply is low.

Meanwhile, the RMT sellers have thousands.

JessieColtub17_ESO wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

JessieColtub17_ESO wrote: »

Most likely it was the Guild Bank Exploiters who were getting the massive amounts of rares.

MASSIVE FACEPALM.

The guild bank dupe exploit did not work on motifs, only stackable materials. Try again.

Considering I didn't participate in any of it, thank you for the clarification.

Me either, though some people definitely did in my guild (reported by all the guildies), and it was only stackables.

JessieColtub17_ESO wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

What's the point of playing a long term game if you want to get all the goods in two days?

Nice straw man, but none of the blue recipes are dropping now. Including the mid level ones. Which means you outlevel the area before ever getting one.

Which means demand for them from players is high, while player supply is low.

Meanwhile, the RMT sellers have thousands.

[snipped anecdote argument]

Your anecdote is irrelevant. There are a dozen threads about this nerf.

Hundreds of peoples' samples > your one sample.

I find this idea that there was a stealth nerf interesting since I have seen an uptick in the drop rate for me the last few weeks. Guess if you hit a dry spell it must be because there was a nerf as opposed to the laws of probability.