My Sorc is V3 and also a dualwielding spec.
To be honest, i think this spec is very subpar in Veteran content.
I can take on 3 mob groups with using CC or potions + ae approach.
I also tried a different spec Resto/Destro Staff, AE nuker and it was much smoother.

That said, i love that content is not totally trivial later on.
In my opinion the single player part Ends with the Molag bal fight, mmo part begins in Veteran Zones.

This is the beauty of VR PVE and why I love this game. Each time I change the area I will get my ass owned by the first group of 2 trash mobs . By the end of the area I will just cut trough them. This is not because I got new epic gear,changed my build in a masive way or gained 20 levels it is because I figured out new strategies and got my timing better by a tenth of a second and learned how to use my class and build with a little more finesse.
In some ways though VR is easier since you will never be hugely under leveled and you can go everywhere on the map from the start. It is as open as Skyrim/Oblivion in the VR. You also find more people willing to work together so do not hesitate to ask for help.

One thing I noticed about your post is that you have lvl 48 items. I suggest crafting a full set of greens each rank you advance with the best glyphs you can buy from the vendor unless you have some nice set that synergises with your build. You should also join a Vet trading guild some really good gear from time to time and cheap.

I am now trying to put myself in a position to defeat VR5 harvesters again with a melee non aoe build.. I died about 15 times but almost got it. If I could squeeze just one more hit before I die.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Not looking forward to this. If what you say is true, they need to not just be nerfed, but be nerfed to the ground with zero mercy.

That sounds absolutely ridiculous.

How about... no.

I'm a Nightblade. This is supposed to be the WORST, MOST BUGGED class in the game and I can handle myself just fine. Hell, I can even take on 3+ mobs as long as I get a good stealth.

I really hope they either keep the veteran zone difficulty as it is or increase it. It's fun having some challenge, unlike normal which had the exception of a few boss fights that were difficult.

Had to swap out my build too.

I was a sword and board templar, not great damage but enough survivability to get me through the 1-50 content.

Got to Kenarthis Roost (spelling?) and wasn't doing anywhere near enough damage.

ZomZom wrote: »

Got to say I agree. I enjoy the game very much but I would have preferred that the content were one continuous progression for all rather than parallel alliances that fracture the experience and give a feeling of deja vu.

Except, it's even worse than deja vu. Because aside from meager gear improvements, your stats are now static. While the enemies get ridiculous health AND damage-output increase.

This needs to change. Not everyone enjoys dieing a dozen times to some trash mob. This isn't some hardcore elite action game. Only named and unique mini-bosses/Bosses should be a genuine challenge. The trash mobs are simply put, trash.

RookBorn wrote: »

Disagree. Veteran content is meant for 'veterans'... not people who aren't willing to take up a challenge. You can count level 50 as max level if you're thinking like that.

It's supposed to be difficult. Something that is a welcoming ovation to a genre where companies have catered WAY too much for people who scream nerf at the slight difficulty.

We have over-difficulty with ridiculous damage-sponge enemies in "veteran" Group dungeons. You want a "challenge" than go tackle all those group dungeons then.

I like my public PVE with questing and story-telling to be enjoyable and not give me a headache dieing from 3 random nobody trash mooks, or some random bear that hits harder than a Daedric Titan. Especially considering that -usually- with a higher level, comes great power. Not suddenly finding skeevers that can solo me, after I just rofl-stomped Coldharbour filled with starved Vampires, pissed off Dremora, and soul-devouring Harvesters.

Trash mobs and the occasional wild-life should not ever be challenging in such a drastic increase. They are filler. Something to keep adventuring entertaining. Only mini-bosses, Bosses, unique targets, and of course, the non-solo-able elite bosses, should be "challenging" in such a way.

This is how it was with the lvl 1-50 zones. The VET zones should not be so drastically scaled upwards.



That said, I'm basing this on what I've heard. i'll reserve my extensive feedback to ZOS, when I encounter my first couple of VET mobs, before making my opinion on this final.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

RookBorn wrote: »

Disagree. Veteran content is meant for 'veterans'... not people who aren't willing to take up a challenge. You can count level 50 as max level if you're thinking like that.

It's supposed to be difficult. Something that is a welcoming ovation to a genre where companies have catered WAY too much for people who scream nerf at the slight difficulty.

We have over-difficulty with ridiculous damage-sponge enemies in "veteran" Group dungeons. You want a "challenge" than go tackle all those group dungeons then.

I like my public PVE with questing and story-telling to be enjoyable and not give me a headache dieing from 3 random nobody trash mooks, or some random bear that hits harder than a Daedric Titan. Especially considering that -usually- with a higher level, comes great power. Not suddenly finding skeevers that can solo me, after I just rofl-stomped Coldharbour filled with starved Vampires, pissed off Dremora, and soul-devouring Harvesters.

Trash mobs and the occasional wild-life should not ever be challenging in such a drastic increase. They are filler. Something to keep adventuring entertaining. Only mini-bosses, Bosses, unique targets, and of course, the non-solo-able elite bosses, should be "challenging" in such a way.

This is how it was with the lvl 1-50 zones. The VET zones should not be so drastically scaled upwards.



That said, I'm basing this on what I've heard. i'll reserve my extensive feedback to ZOS, when I encounter my first couple of VET mobs, before making my opinion on this final.

It's not over-difficulty, it's a challenge. It shouldn't just be a 'roflstomp' like everything else. I agree with you in fact - everything in normal should be buffed up considerably because of the massive power curve so that people can expect more difficult fights!

But I disagree with you on calling them 'trash' mobs - They're still a threat and you have to take out of your head the WoW stereotype that any monster that isn't a boss is supposed to be easy. This is not WoW. This is ESO and every monster can kill you if they get a surprise attack on you. It is your choice to adapt or simply not.

I have and I love them. It's a challenge that really makes me have to think like when I started raiding in WoW. That felt good when I beat a boss, and the same here on ESO Vets.

I'm not yet 50 but I hope that the OP is right and that there is some challenge! I can't wait

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Difficulty gap is a little crazy doncha think?

If so, leveling to 50 should be made harder. At least 40-50, anyway.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

RookBorn wrote: »

It's not over-difficulty, it's a challenge. It shouldn't just be a 'roflstomp' like everything else. I agree with you in fact - everything in normal should be buffed up considerably because of the massive power curve so that people can expect more difficult fights!

But I disagree with you on calling them 'trash' mobs - They're still a threat and you have to take out of your head the WoW stereotype that any monster that isn't a boss is supposed to be easy. This is not WoW. This is ESO and every monster can kill you if they get a surprise attack on you. It is your choice to adapt or simply not.

I have and I love them. It's a challenge that really makes me have to think like when I started raiding in WoW. That felt good when I beat a boss, and the same here on ESO Vets.

FYI: This is my first MMO, ever. Please do not "list me" thanks.


I play this game because it is Elder Scrolls, and for it's role-play potential. not to test my l33t skills against no one that cares. Especially in a PvE scene.


The "Trash" mobs(at least by my definition) are those enemies that, never in a million years, should ever be even remotely capable of bringing down the (insert faction hero) unless they gang you up 5+. If only two are a threat, then this is a problem.

I am not paying for this game for it's public game-play to be uber-hard. This is what the damn group dungeons are for. You want a challenge, then group up(because it's an MMO) and take on that veteran dungeon.

I should not be expecting to fight skeevers that can pose a threat. Period. Let alone some bandit trio.


This is not "play how you want", this leads to "you must min-max to enjoy the whole story." This is a problem for this game, and as far as I am concerned, these veteran mobs are going to need to be nerfed into submission if what the OP says is true.

Well, it looks like that your definition of trash mobs is different to others. I may have been a bit aggressive - I apologise for that because I assume many people come from other games to here - therefore, welcome to the MMO community!

In your eyes this game is for Lore. I agree with you - I love the lore in this game. I literally read every dialogue by the NPCs. I try my best to follow the quest. However what YOU have to remember that this is a MMO and not a Single RPG. You can't simply apply your laws of Singleplayer RPGs to a MMO. And no, it isn't a min/max story. It just takes a bit of common sense and intuition to be able to do well in this sort of game.

And for the record, this is a multiplayer game. You're supposed to socialise and work together. It's supposed to be difficult so you can't just mod it like every other Elder Scrolls game. I'm happy they did this - it brings my two favourite things together. However I recognise that you think that MMOs should have the multiplayer restricted to Dungeons. However, in that sense you are incorrect. You cannot play this game so short-sighted thinking that everything should be easy unless you're in a group.


As again, I apologise for my behavior before but I hope that you follow where I'm coming from.