A question we all had since it's release.

Sadly, I wouldn't hope for a change. When the API was changed to add the 30 second timer to change your slottables (thereby screwing over the addon that was made to help manage this very problem), it was pretty clear that this is how they intend for it to play.

It is convenience for server basically. If i remember right new system does a lot less check compared to past system, resulting in less server strain.

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

A question we all had since it's release.

Sadly, I wouldn't hope for a change. When the API was changed to add the 30 second timer to change your slottables (thereby screwing over the addon that was made to help manage this very problem), it was pretty clear that this is how they intend for it to play.

This, for combat it makes sense you could focus on damage if fight for loot against gold cost boss zergs or you can speck more tanky who is easy with lots of CP. But for green tree it does not.
And the addon is still very nice.

Also this one is scared to scream to high about changes here as I fear it would mostly be nerfs, nuking an city levels out the property values after all.

zaria wrote: »

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

A question we all had since it's release.

Sadly, I wouldn't hope for a change. When the API was changed to add the 30 second timer to change your slottables (thereby screwing over the addon that was made to help manage this very problem), it was pretty clear that this is how they intend for it to play.

This, for combat it makes sense you could focus on damage if fight for loot against gold cost boss zergs or you can speck more tanky who is easy with lots of CP. But for green tree it does not.
And the addon is still very nice.

Also this one is scared to scream to high about changes here as I fear it would mostly be nerfs, nuking an city levels out the property values after all.

I wouldn't worry about asking for changes to the green tree. It has attracted VERY excitable discussions multiple times before.

I remember coming back to the game months after the overhaul happened and not understanding why I was harvesting at the speed of level 1. And then I saw. And then I dropped the game again for a few months.

The change, for the green stuff -- which has always been almost exclusively quality of life things -- was and is plain dumb. The whole point previously was that spending more time in ESO would remove limitations *that had been deliberately and artificially created in order for you to grind them away and feel a sense of progress*, like slow harvesting animations, poor rates from resource nodes, etc. Now we're just stuck at the worst, beginner level of those skills forever. They make not a jot of difference to anyone's experience except the player playing, in almost all cases.

Jordan_Black wrote: »

Slottable red and blue CP means strategic combat decisions. Tradeoffs of one valuable thing for another. Slottable green CP is just an inconvenience. Why not have them all passive?

The whole green part seems forced and separate from the other two. It feels like they tried to hammer to make it fit.

vsrs_au wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Jordan_Black wrote: »

Slottable red and blue CP means strategic combat decisions. Tradeoffs of one valuable thing for another. Slottable green CP is just an inconvenience. Why not have them all passive?

The whole green part seems forced and separate from the other two. It feels like they tried to hammer to make it fit.

The green tree seems to be designed to force you to make a 3 way choice between thief, fisher or crafter for that character (or buying armory station slots with crowns and real-life money).

Even if you just pick crafter, there still aren’t enough slots for the five big things you would want to slot - Meticulous Disassembly, Homemaker, Treasure Hunter, Plentiful Harvest, and Master Gatherer. So rather than forget to reslot after making a change, I go without the faster harvesting.

In my opinion, the only things that should be slottable in the green tree are things we might want to choose to turn on and off. For example, we might want to turn off the faster mount speed by unslotting it in order to ride along with friends who have less/no CP. Conversely, once we learn to harvest faster, we should always know how to harvest faster. Or once we know how to disassemble things better, we should always know how to do that. Things like that should be passive just because it makes sense.

I'm now wondering if there was any PTS feedback about the CP 2.0 update before it became live, and whether anyone flagged the small number of green tree passive perks as a problem. It was before I started playing ESO I think, so I don't know what happened back then.

If they could rework the back end as part of the code refactoring that AFAIK is still WiP leveraging the new servers to do away (or at least reduce it to 1 GCD) with the 30s cooldown that apparently was required for CP 2.0 it would be a new lease of life for the green tree.

It would still not be ideal IMO; as has been already mentioned in this thread and the many threads that preceded it a lot more should be passive however at least it would be workable.

As it stands however is just too impractical to consider using half of the 'slottables'.

I know that on PC there is an addon that somewhat alleviates the drudgery however even with the addon there is still too much 'tapping one's fingers waiting for the 30s to pass' involved.

The entire green tree is a bit of a joke, to be honest and really flies in the 'play as you want (unless you want to change class)' mantra ZoS have going on.