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Meta is Superb. Don’t Change a Thing.
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The game is fairly balanced right now. Please don’t change a thing ZOS. DK, Warden, Sorc, NB, Arcanist, Templar, and Necros all have access to build choices that are competitive. The Tank meta is gone and time to kill for 95% of encounters is reasonable. There a certainly edge cases that could be considered imbalanced but that’s usually a small select of players. The edge cases don’t take away from the overall good state of balance right now.
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree that DK and Arcanist are in good places (Arcanist less meta in PVP, but killing it in PVE and very adaptable). Perhaps Warden, Templar, and NB are too. Sorc, however, needs to have non-pet builds viable to have other build choices for PVE DPS and to not be trash in PVP. No, I don’t expect sorc to be good at everything, but to be something other than a pet-sitter, yes — I want to strike down my foes with lightning! Necro needs an overhaul to do any kind of decent damage in any content and is bottom tier in PVP.
But I totally agree with not changing the classes that are working and fun to play as they are now!
(Edit: Silly typo)Edited by Araneae6537 on December 21, 2023 2:53PM4 -
mmtaniac✭✭✭✭In pve templar damage is amazing and strong in pvp templar damage is non existed until enemy have 50% hp but at 50% hp every person use Undeath passive so he still suck even on his execute state.2 -
Vaqual✭✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »... No, I don’t expect sorc to be food at everything,...)
I have to try that, could use some shock procs
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✭✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »... No, I don’t expect sorc to be food at everything,...) I have to try that, could use some shock procs
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Verbum_Rithimus✭✭✭There I stand with golden beamer
Outgunned by the one that's greener.
So, if I hurl you back with spear?
And beam again? That's it, I fear.
My templar's forced to beam away;
A single skill is NOT ok.
Can't really say that meta's good:
If I had more to use I would.34 -
taugrim✭✭✭✭✭For the most part I find all classes to be competitive in the hands of a competent player.
In particular Sorc and especially NB are way more dangerous with recent damage buffs.
I do think the following should be looked at:- Impervious Runeward: shields too much in the 1st second
- Necro overall: I don't play the class but aside from ult Dark Convergence bombers, it seems like the toolkit is lackluster
Templar beam is too strong but the rest of the kit is lackluster, so beam shouldn't be nerfed without buffing the spammables a bit.PC | NA | CP 2.3k- Active: Dark Elf Stamina Templar | Dark Elf Stamina Necromancer
- Inactive: Dark Elf Stamina Arcanist | Nord Stamina Warden | Orc Stamina Sorceror | Nord Stamina Nightblade | Nord Stamina Dragonknight
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✭✭✭✭OP a little bit right, a lotta bit wrong.
Undeath is too strong. Elemental Sus is too strong for being free cast. Necro needs buffed. Defiles need buffed. Master's DW needs to scale with offensive stats.10 -
xFocused✭✭✭✭I dunno, everyone running around with 50k health is kinda corny, lmao.VENDETTA || https://www.youtube.com/@x_-Focused4 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hmm you're right the meta is superb and we have access to competitive build choices. namely:
1) Master DW, Vate Ice, Maarselok
2) Asylum Staff, Vate Ice, Relequen
3) Rallying Cry, Essence Thief
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PC NA
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SandandStars✭✭✭✭✭yeah… no.
maybe op is conducting an experiment
if everybody starts asking for things to remain as they are, we’ll finally get some meaningful changes to class and gear balance
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Heals_With_Orbs✭✭✭I'm sure this is really a comedy post and tongue in cheek. Well it put a smile on my face.
I stopped playing PvP because its totally unbalanced BS. The tank meta hasn't gone.
Let me tell you what I'm seeing in PvP : -
1 - Ball groups that ruin the fun : - (PLEASE, I dont want anyone to say "so you are saying organised groups shouldnt be allowed / organised groups will always be stronger) most people who say that are the people who are in ball groups. Its selfish garbage cheesey gameplay that wrecks performance and causes so many other issues. What is the point of spending time putting up 20 sieges only for a ball group to come around the corner and mow everyone down in 2 minutes?
2 - Invisible players - a lot of the pvp population are invisible. DREADFUL game design. As I've said, we aren't playing Players Vs (Arnies) Predator...These players appear out of nowhere press 2 buttons and kill about 7 people all at once, then buzz off. So we are left with having to constantly look over your shoulder. There doesnt seem to be a high risk / reward anymore for NB's, either because of broken sets or mythic items.
3 - Undeath / Vamps - whats all that about? someone tell me why vampires can walk around in the daylight? since when was that ever part of vampire lore? And werewolves? oh they can too, no full moon required = GARBAGE. So basically, many of the pvp players are vamps, why? because of the undeath passive. A game should never put you in a position where you have to "do this or your significantly worse off" I get tired of players who defend all the above 3 comments with,
"well form your own ball groups" - no, because that doesnt sort the problem it only adds to it.
"use detect pots etc" - no, I dont want to be constantly spamming potions because of a bad game design.
"yes but but, vamps are vunerable to flame dmg!!" - yeh ok....
I play on EU, but went on to NA to see if it was any better.....no its not.
Same ball groups, loads DKs / warderns running up and down towers playing kiss chase, lots of nbs hiding and being cowards, and running off with no chance to catch them....and vamps doing the same.
Oh and 1 guy who kept setting up a siege outside a keep then running along a wall while 10 players couldnt kill him.
I would like to suggest ways of sorting this out, but the tank meta hasnt gone, nor the awful troll builds.
I think the way to sort this out is to cap health to 30K, cap resistances, I don't know, to say 15-20K, remove invisibility (sorry NB's you have an unfair advantage), stop health stacking to eliminate game wrecking ball groups, and punish creatures of the night, yes creatures of the N I G H T, during daylight with some kind of negative effect
This could be sorted out very easily and make this pvp way more fairer and balanced, but ZOS just don't listen, and bizarrely some of the community don't seem to want a fair pvp game either
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Udrath✭✭✭✭Nerfed undeath is all I want at this point. Nothing worse than fighting someone and consistently getting them to 30% hp or lower and not being able to wrap it up. Then get outnumbered cause they stalled long enough11 -
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✭Yes the meta is very balanced and great (I am a 50k health player using vate staff/masters dw and tank sets)Solo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have to chuckle a bit at this thread.
Guaranteed the Meta will be a changing. It always does.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"1 -
Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭Yes it’s balanced cause everyone is running carbon copies: like every meta after a while it becomes incredibly dull and boring.
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Caecus0✭✭✭All I read is "the tank meta is gone" and instantly thought this is a sarcastic post.
The Tank Meta is nowhere near gone. It's active in both Cyro and Battlegrounds. It's full of people who play builds literally designed to not die while they hold an objective and laugh at entire groups failing to kill them.5 -
sunshineflame✭✭✭If you're not running at least 45k health in a cross healing group of at least 6 on comms focusing down 1 player at a time are you even PvPing?
Every class can scale shields, healing and damage off health....as long as that class is arcanist. Why are you playing anything else...it's your fault if you aren't.
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SlippyCheeze✭✭✭This is sarcastic Right?
Balanced, adjective: the classes I play are doing well, and the classes I don't like are doing poorly.
(though the real definition is: everybody complains their class is the absolute worst, no matter what class it is. which is close to, but not presently, the case in PVE—hello, arcanist—and not /that/ far off in PVP either, though less so I think.)Edited by SlippyCheeze on December 24, 2023 8:01AM1 -
SandandStars✭✭✭✭✭I think I figured this one out. OP was using voice translation software and actually said “Feta is Superb.”8
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✭Separate pvp from pve.
Also rework vampire. And give necro major crit. And 20 sec boneyard.Edited by francesinhalover on December 25, 2023 1:03AMI am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!4 -
VinnyGambini✭✭✭SkaraMinoc wrote: »
Maybe you are not.
To the topic - go bergama, and check best pvpers bulids. Or ask a 25-0 guy from bgs for build. I guarantee, that best players use 100% dmg sets. On top mmr, nobody uses pariah, maras balm, or lets say 5 heavy.4 -
Galeriano✭✭✭✭✭
✭VinnyGambini wrote: »SkaraMinoc wrote: »
Maybe you are not.
To the topic - go bergama, and check best pvpers bulids. Or ask a 25-0 guy from bgs for build. I guarantee, that best players use 100% dmg sets. On top mmr, nobody uses pariah, maras balm, or lets say 5 heavy.
Yeah and then go to Cyro or IC to see lots of people running with 40k+ HP.
Best PvPers in bergama will rarely bring their setups into Cyro or BGs because these setups are often tailored specifically for duels.
In BGs numbers of people running with tanky proc based setups is increasing with every day.
There are also sets like rallying cry which adds noticable amount of defense. Plenty of people is also using mythics that boost their defense like gaze of sithis, death dealers fete, lefthander aegis etc. There are also sets like wretched vitality which boost sustain allowing for more survivability. Procs in general create easier dmg output so people can build more defense in other ways. Fact that top dueles in bergaga and some people with nice BG scores are not running tanky setups doesn't mean we don't have a tanky meta.Edited by Galeriano on December 26, 2023 8:52AM6 -
Yuji34✭✭✭Op plays arcanist, so yes he found the meta "perfect"Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 22 DLCs. 35 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game.1 -
Caecus0✭✭✭sunshineflame wrote: »If you're not running at least 45k health in a cross healing group of at least 6 on comms focusing down 1 player at a time are you even PvPing?
Every class can scale shields, healing and damage off health....as long as that class is arcanist. Why are you playing anything else...it's your fault if you aren't.
I support this thread and this community of build diversity
Yeah Basically.
I perused Arcanist skills one day out of sheer curiosity and their skills are so loaded it's nuts.1 -
DrNukenstein✭✭✭✭✭I'm noticing more people die to a heavy attack and a spammable which has been a very rare thing the past 5 updates.
They didn't really move many numbers around lately, so I think some gamers are deciding to take things into their own hands and start the next meta themselves.
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Theignson✭✭✭✭✭True, it might be sarcasm, but I've seen the OP in NB, Arcanist and DK (the ones I recall, probably he has other classes) and he's equally hard to kill in each class.
I can have fun PvPing with all the classes right now. Sometimes with cheese/meta builds but other times with my own builds.Quakrson, Stam DK, Grand Overlord
Trackrsen, Stam Warden, Grand Overlord
Quakrsen, Mag DK, Overlord
Tolliverson, Stam NB, General
Farfarel, Stam Necro, Praetorian
Spencerson, Templar, Prefect
Phosphorson, Mag Sorc, Brigadier
Phosphorsen, Stam Sorc, Tribune
Glimson, Arcanist, Major
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✭In my honest opinion, the Murkmire patch was the last time PvP was "balanced."(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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VinnyGambini✭✭✭VinnyGambini wrote: »SkaraMinoc wrote: »
Maybe you are not.
To the topic - go bergama, and check best pvpers bulids. Or ask a 25-0 guy from bgs for build. I guarantee, that best players use 100% dmg sets. On top mmr, nobody uses pariah, maras balm, or lets say 5 heavy.
Yeah and then go to Cyro or IC to see lots of people running with 40k+ HP.
Best PvPers in bergama will rarely bring their setups into Cyro or BGs because these setups are often tailored specifically for duels.
In BGs numbers of people running with tanky proc based setups is increasing with every day.
There are also sets like rallying cry which adds noticable amount of defense. Plenty of people is also using mythics that boost their defense like gaze of sithis, death dealers fete, lefthander aegis etc. There are also sets like wretched vitality which boost sustain allowing for more survivability. Procs in general create easier dmg output so people can build more defense in other ways. Fact that top dueles in bergaga and some people with nice BG scores are not running tanky setups doesn't mean we don't have a tanky meta.
And this is the real root cause. Proc sets. You can go no cp and you will see that there is no tanky meta there. Proc sets are generally cancer, and ruins PvP.
But as we can all see, no proc campaigns are almost empty - that means ppl are not interested in balanced PvP - they are interested in cheese builds to destroy opponents.
Sad but true.
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