moo_2021 wrote: »

I guess this is more common with ps5 or xbox players, but playing with PC and a controller on sofa, my performance in PvP has been comparably very awkward. Skill issue aside, there are problems identifying everything clearly on screen (as opposed to e.g. playing FPS in front of a monitor), including buffs indicated by addons, and aiming is always very difficult.

So, could anyone share their setup?

Mine is:

• Xbox elite controller with 2 buttons at back (4 removed as I always hit them accidentally) plus chatpad for extra keys, mapped with reWSAD.
• 55" TV, 120-150cm in front, cinema mode with max brightness/contrast/saturation/color range.
• resolution 1920x1080 (4k is available). ESO Fantasy Reshade preset.
• UI: gamepad mode. Addons: Advanced UI, Global Cooldown bar.
• wheeled kb/mouse stand for use with sofa

It's pretty convenient and relaxed for overland content, and dungeons too though I mostly follow others and can't tell what they're doing (just healing them or hitting whatever they're hitting).

Obviously, the visuals are too shiny, I can barely see myself when boundless storm is on, and enemies are just bunches of flashy lights, and there also are troubles sprinting + jumping at the same time, though I just noticed with a keyboard I can't even fire abilities while sprinting.

What would be the fix? I can overtuned graphics and start using keyboard + mouse, but not the TV. Would it help if I change to a Tartarus Gaming Keypad plus MMO mouse with 12 buttons on one side? (quite costly investment..)

"Obviously, the visuals are too shiny, I can barely see myself when boundless storm is on, and enemies are just bunches of flashy lights, and there also are troubles sprinting + jumping at the same time, though I just noticed with a keyboard I can't even fire abilities while sprinting."

With jumping and sprinting that sounds like input lag, maybe your controller?
Sprinting and firing abilities will not work, you'd have to briefly slow to a jog, fire ability, then sprint again.

For washout, etc I think this statement would be a good starting point---> "...with max brightness/contrast/saturation/color range."
IDK about the reshade, I don't use them. But unless I misunderstood, having all colour tuning settings at MAX would cause a lot of washout and over saturation, at least on my LCD it would?

I'm actually shopping around for a TV upgrade myself and saw your thread just now LOL. My old LG can only handle 60FPS which I always thought was good enough.
But then I recently had a chance to play ESO on a newer TV, got around 120FPS and it was like a whole new game, now I'm hooked heh.

But if it were me I would disable the reshade, put the tuning sliders to mid-range and slowly adjust from there.

Other thing to consider is what your ESO graphics settings are at. Perhaps things like bloom and god rays are also too much with your TV sliders at max.

65 inch 4k tv across the room on the wall (maybe 12 feet away)
Eso on gaming pc, wireless keyboard and mouse on couch
Graphics on max, 100 fps

I play sweaty premade bgs, small to medium scale ic/open world, some large scale cyro as well.

Usually pretty playable but sometimes game performance is bad (server problems not on my end).

I used to play on a 65” tv. It had excellent “black levels”. If you really want a good picture, you need good blacks. I’ve never owned one but they say OLED tv’s are excellent in this respect. Make sure you’ve got that thing in game mode as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7V_OOu6B8

Here's how I set up my TV. This is likely very Samsung specific and specific to my model, or even my sample, so I don't know how useful this is, but for what it's worth I prefer a natural look, slightly undersaturated relative to out of the box. I don't like highlights clipping nor detail being lost in shadow. I like contrast and low black levels, but I don't like artifically enhanced contrast nor sharpness. I also discovered I don't like HDR. I'm not sure whether ESO supports it, but I tried it in Horizon Zero Dawn. It basically lets shadow areas disappear completely in black, if not technically then to your eyes, when you have bright highlights in the picture. I don't find that conducive to (competitive) gaming. I prefer a more filmic look in games and movies alike, which means I prefer finely graduated colours and a flatter picture. Yes, bright highlights and dark shadows when the scene calls for it, but not overly contrasty all the time.

I adjusted my TV based on some of the darker tunnels in Imperial City on the one hand, making it so I can just see detail on the dark walls, and some dark alien / sky movie footage on the other hand. This is when I discovered that ESO always has some light in the image, whereas the movie footage was harder to get good black levels in. This is possibly among the reasons why ESO always looks good. It's not actually that demanding on the TV. It's the movie footage that benefitted from cranking Local Dimming to the High setting the most. Funnily enough, also, I found the TV has settings to "enhance" shadows that actually flatten the image. Settings labelled as "gaming" or "shadow detail" raise and destroy black levels in the name of providing better visibility while gaming. On the one hand TVs encourage you to use their, nowadays, either high brightness (LCD) or low black levels (OLED), on the other hand they provide options to destroy the resulting contrast in the name of better shadow detail. What gives? It may be because TVs (still) don't track dark content well, or it may be because the marketing machine and the shop floor demand contrast that isn't actually very comfortable in real life. I should add that I really like high contrast and the resulting picture depth historically. I just think we're now at a point where you don't have to crank that on a top of the line TV above all else anymore, albeit the firmware in these TVs is shared with the whole range and allows such options.

With that said, here are my settings:

Game mode: ON (low latency, a must)
Game mode Dynamic Black Equalizer: OFF / zero (don't want raised shadows for "better enemy visibility")
HDR: OFF (I don't like it, see above)

Brightness: 40 out of 50
Contrast: 21 out of 50 (picture is already contrasty with Local Dimming set to High)
Sharpness: 6 out of 20 (don't want sharpening nor softening / not sure where the neutral setting is)
Colour: 21 out of 50 (25 is normal, but I prefer slight desaturation)
Tint: 0 (center position, no color tint adjustment)
Local Dimming: High (see above, the only way to get good black levels and highlights both)
Contrast Enhancer: OFF (see comments below)
Colour Tone: Warm1 (I think this may be 7800K, e.g. slightly cool, which I prefer, but see next point)
White Balance: 2-Point Blue Gain -8 (makes the picture a little warmer, e.g. between 6500K and 7800K)
Gamma: 2.2 (looks more natural to me than other offered settings)
Shadow Detail: -2 (to get the black level where I want it)
Colour Space: Native

The Contrast Enhancer is a big no no, because it clips highlights and drowns shadows. Yes, depending on the scene, it makes dark scenes / starfields more contrasty with better highlights, but I tested it with various content. It's relatively innocuous at the Low setting, but it causes clipping in both Low and High modes. This is IMO exactly the kind of thing you do not want to do if your TV is good enough, e.g. it has good enough native or local-dimming-enhanced contrast. I basically chose to sacrifice highlights in very dark scenes by turning this off and, instead, setting Shadow Detail to -2 for a similar black level. I think it's better overall.