blackwolf7 wrote: »

Zarec wrote: »

blackwolf7 wrote: »

Zarec wrote: »

blackwolf7 wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

I still think the nerf to magic cost reduction for vampire abilities was a bit steep.

10%, 20%, and 30% for stage 2, 3, and 4 respectively would have been more than sufficient.

Better still, 13%, 26%, and 39%, and cap the Ultimate cost reduction at 50%.

As for the suggestions some have made to have vampires attacked by NPC's on site, that would obviously make little sense given their illusionist magical nature, however, it would be interesting if you were allowed to feed on (but not attack/kill) NPC characters...

This is a good idea. But apparently everyone loves the 28%. Even though those who play vamp will say it isnt enough

Funny thing is people can still spam bat swarm as it really didn't touch the cost that much nor fix the underlying issue which was ulti cost reduction. But as we have seen even during beta, ZOS doesn't make sound judgements when it comes to issues in this game.

In pvp it doesnt in pve it does. Atm the bugged passive reduction makes it reset to 170cost in pve eberytime you zone or die or relog.

In pvp, you seldom rezone relog so it doesnt go back to 170

I have to ask...when did people ever really spam bat swarm in PVE? I can think of better ults to use than spamming that, speaking from a sorc perspective. I personally prefer overload as I like zapping things from a distance not have them up in my grill so that vet level mudcrab or spider or whatever can *** all over me in my clothy goodness.

I enjoy playing melee in pve as being range makes it easy mode to faceroll everything. Not sure in sorcs pt view but with my nightblade i prefer to get close and personal. Bat swarm would increase my survivability and my aoe capability. But with the current passive bug, it makes it not wortg it

First off....you poor soul. I feel for you fellow NB. I left my at 39 as I could no longer stand having bugged skills that didn't work or animation would go off but either I wouldn't blink to target or i'm stabbing and nothing is happening.....or my personal favorite...i can't attack, dodge, do jumping jacks...i can only move side to side.

My NB was assassin specced mainly and I forget the name for the ult for assassin tree but with it I actually prefered it over bat swarm as I needed something that was a nuke rather than a dot. I took invig drain to boost gathering ult as the ult itself scales on how much ult you have.

Forum needs a "Hur-dur" and "Jingoist" button to go with the "Agree", "LOL", etc.

(just a "WTH" button after the LOL will do)

#KeepingIt'PG'Rated

FENGRUSH wrote: »

legiont666ub17_ESO wrote: »

Edit: Do you mind giving me 700 gold to cure vamp, around 25k to reset the skills (as you can't reset just one line) and another 20k to cover the cost of the gear that will become useless? Or because you cried louder during last few weeks while few exploiters ran out there now I have to cover those costs on my own?

By this statement it seems like you picked the FOTM and should not be entitled to anything back. And i haven't cried about vamps in PvP i watched vamps kill 20 people at a time while i sat there but before they all died heal debuff cc'd vamps into the ground they never bothered me.

Lol, heal debuff wouldnt impact a vamp. CC on the other hand, is/was the easy way to counter vamps for all the people tearing up on the forums.
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heall debuff for the templar is also flame damage it works great.Plus i noticed even though a vamp is in the middle of a whole bunch of people there health steadily went down anyways so i assumed the heal debuff was working maybe not.

This is starting to get hilarious.

Edward: "PVP crybabies spoiled my build! I never abused any skills, and balancing skills should never affect PVE world at all!"

PVP player: "You never thought it was kinda weird, that you could solo group dungeons?"

Edward: "No sir! I'm just so skilled. I can solo anything by just pressing 2 buttons. I can show you?"

PVP player: "No thanks, I think I've seen enough..."

Edward: "Honestly, I'm special, even my mama said so."

PVP player: <walks away>

Mendoze wrote: »

This is starting to get hilarious.

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Edward: "Honestly, I'm special, even my mama said so."

Even more hilarious, I've actually heard a player drag out that justification for an exploit before. Not in TESO, because that would be even better... but... still.

The only reason this vampire issue didn't occur in PVE is because of completely broken passives. Even in PVP you had to wait 90 minutes to be able to abuse the bat swarm.

Anyway, this nerf seems really rushed. They drastically nerfed the cost reduction but still didn't fix a single passive. Invigorating Drain is the only skill that is still somewhat useful in pve, but even that hardly outweighs all the disadvantages. I'm trying to understand why they didn't remove the cost reduction stacking from item sets and passives, which, by the way, was the main problem. That would have fixed the issue with bat swarm spamming and still leave vampire skill line viable.

Mendoze wrote: »

This is starting to get hilarious.

Edward: "PVP crybabies spoiled my build! I never abused any skills, and balancing skills should never affect PVE world at all!"

PVP player: "You never thought it was kinda weird, that you could solo group dungeons?"

Edward: "No sir! I'm just so skilled. I can solo anything by just pressing 2 buttons. I can show you?"

PVP player: "No thanks, I think I've seen enough..."

Edward: "Honestly, I'm special, even my mama said so."

PVP player: <walks away>

Curious that you post nonsense irrelevant garbage in EVERY THREAD about ultimate cost reduction and how it's not fixed.

FUNNY THAT.

Probably because you're an ultimate spam exploiter and are just butthurt that people are calling out the fact that it's not fixed.

Non-exploiters got *** slapped with the nerf hammer, exploiters still top of the PvP ranks... seems fair.

I think the nerf was quite good and quite bad at the same time.

I have an idea on how it COULD work:

Cost Reduction could be changed to the old one (60% at Stage 4), but not work on the Vampire Ultimate. That would solve the Ultimate spam problem.

The Mist Form could have its old movement speed back while out of combat and get reduced to the new one while in combat. Also, the damage reduction could be nerfed to around 60%.

I for myself was never able to really dominate as a Vampire and used the Mist Form merely as a "Horse" you could say. Besides, you can still stunlock someone with snares (DK for example) who is using Mist Form to kill them with noskill Shield bashes.

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

No Fighter's Guild membership. Attacked on sight in towns. No grouping with non-vampire players etc.

I like this and it should be mandatory. Part of what made being a vamp a [snip] in the other TOS games was the all the penalties to counter the bonus's. Not to mention if you got to crazy scary vamped out the entire town would attack or run screaming, usually a mix of both. Picking up the vamp skill line should overall make it HARDER to play, not easier, being a curse/illness and all. The more extreme the benefits are the more extreme the negatives need to be.

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

No Fighter's Guild membership. Attacked on sight in towns. No grouping with non-vampire players etc.

Actually kinda stupid if you think about it. A large percentage of quests you get are given in towns or settlements. Also, more than 90% are given by NPC's. So basically what you are saying is, anyone that chooses to play a skill line that was intended by the developers should be punished, by not being able to play 90% of the game?

Yea. That's precisely what I'm saying. The Vamp skill line is still completely over-powering and the advantages it offers compared to mage and fighters guild (which they can also have anyway) is ridiculous.

It should be a curse not an advantage. It should be there for you to have some RP fun and should have no more consequence game wise as choosing 2 handed over sword and shield.

It's a skill line that with a few points creates one of several flavours of super-class and I don't think that was the designer's intention at all.

Big, game unbalancing mistake that means there are too many people choosing the option. So yes, I'm happy for vampires to be treated as the monsters they are.

Vamps want quests they can get cured. They want to become vamps they can go become vamps again. Be a vamp because it fits your character not because it gives you game advantages in PvE and PvP.

And if the end result is making the vamp population crash then great. Vamps should be rare.

What would be fantastic would to have extremely powerful Fighter's Guild NPC's roaming towns in groups so that entering town as a vamp would be a big risk. If you're 'spotted' then a hue and cry goes up and you cannot interact with npc's for a period of time. A few hours maybe.

Vampires should have to play as vampires and take the consequences along with the benefits.

Playing the game I want to play means I don't want to group with vampires. I'm Fighters Guild. I'd even be happy for out of Cyrodiil PvP so Fighters Guild could attack vampires on detection.

After testing in PvE on my NB I can say that Vamp is still great for PvE as a NB. The drain is a life saver, the stealth speed increase is awesome, and the Bats can turn a hard fight around. Surprising as this may be I now support most of the vamp nerf. The only part I dislike is the over nerf of Mist form. Otherwise Vamp is still not only viable but very useful for NBs.

This is a typical case of fixing something that wasn't broken. What was broken was vamps being able to stack Bat Spam Buffs, being able to Bat Spam with Bolt Escape and Mist Form to become totally invincible.

What was not broken was Vampires being able to reliably self-heal during battles by draining the enemy.

At this rate, ESO may as well apply 20 min. cooldowns to every effect.

And reduce the 5 spot bar to 3.

Thechemicals wrote: »

vampire is working just fine for my girl. She drains essence and uses mist form....finds it useful. What is the problem?

No man, there's no problem at all. Everything is working as intended.

/smh

all you vampires are crying as if they nerfed your class...being a vampire is optional. deal with the changes or drop vamp, it's really that simple. it wont be the last time you'll have o tweak your spec. learn to play your class before taking on something that everyone clearly knows was OP. that way when the nerf bat comes you can adjust accordingly and not act like your class got nerfed and your only option is to roll a new character cuz you cant swap classes