I do not understand why this bother with teamwork. You can still donate Master Writs to guild owner or house owner so they can do it. You can also donate gold and they can spend it on Master Writs.

Is it a problem because of that achievement where you need do certain amount of writs? If that is the case it is a very easy achievement anyway and they will probably get it with the donated writs.

Treeshka wrote: »

I do not understand why this bother with teamwork. You can still donate Master Writs to guild owner or house owner so they can do it. You can also donate gold and they can spend it on Master Writs.

Is it a problem because of that achievement where you need do certain amount of writs? If that is the case it is a very easy achievement anyway and they will probably get it with the donated writs.

It's not insurmountable for sure, but it is a pain to have one person doing all the master writs to get 6,000 vouchers. You also have to transfer over mats, which at the moment admittedly is a problem for me because I don't have ESO+ at the moment, and then you have to make sure you have the appropriate style motifs. It can get pretty costly -- and it's extremely time consuming when it could be made quicker by allowing multiple people to contribute. And why not make them like the attunable tables? Where you can buy and sell them? I just don't get the reasoning behind locking it behind an achievement. If you don't have the attunable tables, they are just your basic crafting tables, so it's not like you can get around getting those first.

EDIT: I understand the reasoning behind the decision to be clear. Grand Master Crafter stations requiring a crafting achievement is kinda a no brainer, but it's overkill when you have to spend so much time, money, and effort to get and attune the other stations first. This is supposed to be a Quality of Life improvement, and it just feels like it's unnecessarily tedious to obtain in.

UPDATE! As someone who did manage to buy all the tables in the last couple of days, I still humbly ask that the devs reconsider the bind on pickup. Also consider making the tables a collectible so we can't have them in multiple homes?

For anyone curious, my guild hall already had a complete set of attunable tables, so that eliminated a huge and extremely expensive/tedious step for us. In regards to the attunable and the grand master tables, I received a TON of help from my guildees in the form of writs, mats, and gold, and I still ended up spending 6 million gold and making approximately 8 billion (hyperbole) trips back to guild traders, the writ drop off, the guild hall, the guild bank etc., rinse and repeat and repeat and repeat. So yeah, I still stand by my statement that it's been made unnecessarily complicated and hope that eventually this process will be more streamlined for folks.

On a positive note: I will say the process of feeding the attunable tables into the grand master crafting station was SOOOOOO easy. What a dream!

Araneae6537 wrote: »

For the grandmaster crafting stations to be collectible then they would have to be bind-on-pickup. But I agree that they should be one or the other: bind-on-pickup collectibles that can be placed in multiple houses or unbound and able to be traded until they are attuned.

Oof, forgot about that. I think you're right. One way or the other, but honestly, I guess lean more towards collectible.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i think i would go with the collectible route, because if you accidentally deleted ones that were fully attuned then you would have to re buy the stations + all of the attuned ones you fed into it lol

You're givin me the shivers just thinkin about it!

XSTRONG wrote: »

Bind on pick up? I better start doing some writs then..

As a rule, I am very anti bind on pickup. For me its either everything should be bop or nothing should be bop.

Yeah, lets keep them bound on pickup.

KiltMaster wrote: »

It's meant to be a grind. Can't just be given cool things. Feels much better to obtain them after working for so long.

It's meant to be a grind, yes, and these are definitely that no matter what. Even at lower console prices a set would be several million if they were tradable, which would still be out of reach for a lot of players.

They should also be obtainable tho. They didn't make the transmute station BoP and that was tied to a DLC, so it makes even less sense for these to be.

You've never had to be a master crafter to have a guild hall before, everything was available in other ways. It's a little late in the game to suddenly add this requirement when there are so many non-crafters with established guild halls already.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for lowering the price (even tho I already have mine) but I like it being achievement locked.

You need to attune the station first, then 'feed' the attuned station to the GMC station.

In short: No. It's not possible the way you commented.

CrazyKitty wrote: »

It's unfair to the guild house owners to force them to buy all the new benches. The guild members should be able to donate the new benches to the guild house owners.

There is no reasonable rationale for having these benches BoP that I can think of.

they aren't forced to, they can choose to keep their existing tables.

CrazyKitty wrote: »

fizl101 wrote: »

CrazyKitty wrote: »

It's unfair to the guild house owners to force them to buy all the new benches. The guild members should be able to donate the new benches to the guild house owners.

There is no reasonable rationale for having these benches BoP that I can think of.

they aren't forced to, they can choose to keep their existing tables.

This is not a valid response to the issue at hand.

They could choose to just not play ESO too, but we are talking about how it's not fair to the guild house owner to have to make the bench purchases themselves rather than equipping the guild house being a guild wide, team effort.

And point of fact, the attunable benches ARE NOT BoP. What's the rationale for making the new benches BoP? It doesn't make any sense.

Its an absolutely valid response, just as your opinion is that they shouldn't be bind on pickup. A guild owner can make a decision to make use of the grand master crafting stations, in which case they meet the criteria to do so.

I have no problem for people to ask for it to not be related to the grand master achievement, but it isn't an issue of fairness

lillybit wrote: »

KiltMaster wrote: »

It's meant to be a grind. Can't just be given cool things. Feels much better to obtain them after working for so long.

It's meant to be a grind, yes, and these are definitely that no matter what. Even at lower console prices a set would be several million if they were tradable, which would still be out of reach for a lot of players.

They should also be obtainable tho. They didn't make the transmute station BoP and that was tied to a DLC, so it makes even less sense for these to be.

You've never had to be a master crafter to have a guild hall before, everything was available in other ways. It's a little late in the game to suddenly add this requirement when there are so many non-crafters with established guild halls already.

It’s not even difficult to be a master crafter ever since AWA meant all characters’ knowledge counts (which is really silly since that’s not how you do writs, but whatever).

kah wrote: »

It's a grind with or without BOP, but if they decide to stick with BOP, I def think it should be a collectible so you can use it in multiple houses. As far as I know or have heard, it's an oddity that it isn't a collectible.

I do wish they were collectible! It makes no sense to me to have them BOP but not be collectible. It would probably make the most sense to have them NOT be bound on pickup since none of the other crafting stuff is. It puzzles me why they went with that option — how would it hurt for people to buy them for their guilds or sell on traders?

I don’t personally have a stake in it, I just don’t see how it makes any sense for them to be BOP and not collectible.