My thoughts on TESO after playing BG3

Inaya1 · November 2023

Okay, wait a minute. And now..... (*The clumsy body falls with bunch of scrolls with claims on the floor*) (*dirty curse at Khajiit language*). (*very dirty, come up with yourself*).
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*Shakes himself off*
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And now!
1. [Snip]
2. Drops of ketchup! Is it possible to replace ketchup in the world of Tamriel with puddles of blood?
3. Why do different races wear different underwear? And most importantly, WHY DOESN’T IT TAKE OFF? AAAAAAA this is impossible to tolerate!
4. Where should I look for evil enemies who will simply kick my ass and shower me with curses without the speeches of the great conquerors?
5. How do I throw a box or a rabid barbarian into a crowd of enemies?
6. [Snip]
7. I want to fall and somersault on the ice so I can do funny pirouettes for my group.
8. There are so many models of living creatures here! A......Which of them....well...is with me. Did you understand. Play chess, probably. Maybe.
9. How can I become a rat and infect my enemies with the plague? Everywhere, not in separate places.
10. How to dig up corpses, put them in your inventory or by forcing the necromancer to ask them where they hid their treasure?
11. Why might a skeleton have bleeding and cuts? Is he not telling us something?
12. Why can't I fail a quest because of my personal desires? What if I'm an EVIL templar?
13. Why are the undead not afraid of the templars and go to their home for tea?
14. [Snip]
15. Why is male character animation so weird? Do they want to go to the toilet?
16. Where are all the toilets in Teso? What is that huge hill in the distance?
17. Can I convince the world boss to jump off a cliff?
18. Why don't I burn while standing in a fire? Why am I not dying of hypothermia while floating on an icy river?
19. Why are all NPCs so dependent? They can't do anything without the help of an forgotten shriven?
20. Why, after I commit mischief in the city, won’t they take me to prison? Where is the prison anyway?
21. When I play as a Khajiit, how do I swipe all the items off the table? This bottle is getting on my nerves
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22. Why doesn't an extreme swim extinguish the rage of a dragon knight in a duel?

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Destai · November 2023

It's comparing apples to oranges IMO. ESO and BG3 are fundamentally different games.

BG3 is in a league of its own. Especially with being a single player game and with a more modern engine, they can do all sorts of things not technically possible in ESO.

While BG3 quickly earned a place in my top games of my life, but ESO's up there too. I try to enjoy each game on its own merits.

LunaFlora · November 2023

elder scrolls online is nearly 10 years old and baldur's gate 3 is 3 months old.

both RPGs, but eso is an mmo.

eso is Elder Scrolls and bg3 is Dungeons and Dragons.

of course they're different

DrNukenstein · November 2023

I kind of thought BG3 didn't live up to it's hype, and I love those types of games.

Two things I thought it was missing are heavy-weaves, and procs

Freelancer_ESO · November 2023

Desele's House of Earthly Delights is in Suran.

Honestly, I really am amazed at how effective BG3's marketing/branding/messaging was.

SeaGtGruff · November 2023

I (pre?)purchased BG3 months ago but haven't even tried it yet. I tried to play BG1 (bought at the same time) and couldn't get through the tutorial, despite having played BG1 many years ago before discovering TES4:Oblivion and falling in love with the TES games as a whole.

Turn-based games used to seem okay to me, and TES's real-time play unnerved me at first, but now I much prefer real-time gameplay and find turn-based games too awkward to get into. I'm occasionally playing the turn-based Bard's Tale 1 (remake) and my turns are just F-A-A-A-A-D-D-Y in rapid succession without even trying to choose what specific actions each of the characters should take, because that's the closest I can come to real-time gameplay in that game.

As far as I'm concerned, TES games are definitely the cream of the crop, and ESO is my one-and-only MMO.

Pelanora · November 2023

Elder Scrolls is kinda square, I'll give the op that. So earnest. So serious. ESO has more humour than the Bethesda versions, but it's still pretty serious.

Tandor · November 2023

Both are excellent games which complement each other in the sense that I consider them the best in their respective genres. I play both equally happily, I see no reason to compare one with another so far as their micro-design is concerned.

AnduinTryggva · November 2023

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Desele's House of Earthly Delights is in Suran.

Honestly, I really am amazed at how effective BG3's marketing/branding/messaging was.

Mh. I probably missed all the advertisement for BG3 and as such had no expectations at all and I really think this game is one of the best in recent years.

Azphel · November 2023

Skooma. Not even once.

MrGarlic · November 2023

You really should be comparing BG3 with whatever comes next, not that which has passed.

Compare it with ESO2, if it ever happens.

valenwood_vegan · November 2023

As folks have said, they're very different games (single player RPG vs. MMO-RPG), one is a decade newer than the other, and idk if it was mentioned too... but BG3 had extensive development resources poured into it... likely far, far more than the resources currently devoted to ESO.

BG3 is more up my alley, as I kind of wound up in ESO by accident (more for the "elder scrolls" than the "MMO")... but I've come to love ESO for what it is. I just don't think it's feasible for a ten-year-old MMO to provide the same kind of deep experience as a brand new single player game with multiplayer features. (Like, BG3's many quest branches and different endings would be a technical nightmare for a game like ESO). On the flip side, BG3 isn't able to offer the type of persistent world populated by dozens of your friends and thousands of other real people, or the action combat. Both are great in their own way.

Kiralyn2000 · November 2023

Yeah, comparing a single-player game with lots of environment interaction/alteration, to an MMO that has to be a basically-constant world for everyone. . . is kind silly.

LunaFlora wrote: »

eso is Elder Scrolls and bg3 is Dungeons and Dragons Divinity:Original Sin 3

SeaGtGruff · November 2023

Pelanora wrote: »

Elder Scrolls is kinda square, I'll give the op that. So earnest. So serious. ESO has more humour than the Bethesda versions, but it's still pretty serious.

TES games have had humor ever since the beginning-- try talking with the NPCs on the streets and in the taverns in TES:Arena to see what I mean. TES2:Daggerfall also had some humor, but most of it seems to be hidden away in certain books-- a prime example being the "Banker's Bet," which struck me as borderline pornography if not outright so (which is in line with some of the OP's comments about BG3). I haven't made it through Battlespire yet, or started on Redguard, but Battlespire didn't have much humor that I can remember, so it might be where things began to get more "earnest" in the series, because I can't recall much outright humor in the main-series titles after that (Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim). ESO, on the other hand, has much more humor in it, although TES humor has always tended to be more sly and subtle than in-your-face-with-clown-yucks.

LunaFlora · November 2023

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Yeah, comparing a single-player game with lots of environment interaction/alteration, to an MMO that has to be a basically-constant world for everyone. . . is kind silly.

LunaFlora wrote: »

eso is Elder Scrolls and bg3 is Dungeons and Dragons Divinity:Original Sin 3

same developers yes, but no.
Baldur's gate 3 is dungeons and dragons

Kendaric · November 2023

LunaFlora wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Yeah, comparing a single-player game with lots of environment interaction/alteration, to an MMO that has to be a basically-constant world for everyone. . . is kind silly.

LunaFlora wrote: »

eso is Elder Scrolls and bg3 is Dungeons and Dragons Divinity:Original Sin 3

same developers yes, but no.
Baldur's gate 3 is dungeons and dragons

Well... it's mostly D&D 5, but they diverged from the PnP rules in several ways. Fortunately there are enough mods to bring it closer to the PnP rules

There are actually a few hints that ESO could take from BG 3... like good and interesting character writing.

Carlos93 · November 2023

Although Baldur's Gate 3 is a single-player game, The Elder Scrolls Online could recreate some of the features of Baldur's Gate 3 (character creation).

jtm1018 · November 2023

Seriously speaking, I hate, so much that I will rather stare into blank space, than play bg3, diablo or the likes. I just hate those type of rpg.

TaSheen · November 2023

I actually enjoyed BG 1 - after I figured out how to use the built in "resident server" to get rid of Imoen and make my own 6 character party.

BG 2.... no, it wasn't my sort of game by then. By then I had discovered TES and that was the end of Bioware for me (other than a minor foray into ME just to get enough info to RP on a friend's forum).

TES is my home universe. I've no interest in BG3 at all.

zaria · November 2023

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

As folks have said, they're very different games (single player RPG vs. MMO-RPG), one is a decade newer than the other, and idk if it was mentioned too... but BG3 had extensive development resources poured into it... likely far, far more than the resources currently devoted to ESO.

BG3 is more up my alley, as I kind of wound up in ESO by accident (more for the "elder scrolls" than the "MMO")... but I've come to love ESO for what it is. I just don't think it's feasible for a ten-year-old MMO to provide the same kind of deep experience as a brand new single player game with multiplayer features. (Like, BG3's many quest branches and different endings would be a technical nightmare for a game like ESO). On the flip side, BG3 isn't able to offer the type of persistent world populated by dozens of your friends and thousands of other real people, or the action combat. Both are great in their own way.

I say if you are a Elder Scroll fan ESO is an good single player game with more content now than all the single player games.
No its not as immersive as the single player games and no gameplay changing mods like my farming mod in Skyrim.
And its plenty of people who play it like an single player game

ArchMikem · November 2023

Isn't Baldur's Gate a Top Down turn based?

TaSheen · November 2023

ArchMikem wrote: »

Isn't Baldur's Gate a Top Down turn based?

I don't know about BG3 (or 2, as I never played that one) but BG 1 was, yes.

NeuroticPixels · November 2023

ArchMikem wrote: »

Isn't Baldur's Gate a Top Down turn based?

You can move the camera around quite well which makes it not so "top down", and there's PC mods that help it be more like most 3rd person games, but yes, it's turn based. Best feeling turn based game I've ever played, though. But then again, I think the new Diablo is turned based? I think? And I haven't played it, so I don't have a whole lot to compare it to.

SandandStars · November 2023

Tancredo’s Broken Ward

Completely fresh & gritty.

SickleCider · November 2023

To someone who hasn't played BG3 this just reads like a khajiit having a psychotic break.

XSTRONG · November 2023

I havent played Bg3 and will probably not because it dont look like the kind of game that I would like when I watch youtube clips but.

Alot of people say you cant compare a new game to a game like Eso that are alot older but as long as the older game is still active and still releasing content its fair to campare to any game in my opinion.

Why do people campare D4 with PoE for example.

AzuraFan · November 2023

They are such different games that it's almost impossible to compare them. MMOs, by their nature, can't do some things that single-player games can.

I've played both BG3 and ESO, and I enjoy ESO more. I really enjoyed BG1 and 2 when they came out. I didn't enjoy BG3 as much (in fact, I haven't finished it yet), but I'm only a lukewarm fan of Larian's games.

Warhawke_80 · November 2023

I like water
I also like water...
Awesome lets sleep together!
No we need at least two more people and a Bear!

BG3 and ESO are very different games...BG3 focuses almost solely on physical relationships, and if that's your thing great....Larian Studios wanted that kind of game and it was obviously a good call, because it is flying off the shelves still

Personally Not my circus... not my Monkeys

ESO focuses on your basic PG High Fantasy adventure....some people find that too tame personally I'm fine with it.

Danikat · November 2023

I haven't played Baldur's Gate 3 yet, but I've played a lot of DnD games, including BG1 and 2 and trying to choose between them and TES games is the kind of thing that makes me give up on ranking games. They're nominally the same genre (fantasy RPG) but they're very different and I don't think it's a coincidence that the two have successfully coexisted for decades.

I love both even though they are very different, but I can completely see how some people who love one can't get on with the other. But I'm just glad I don't have to choose between them.

Pelanora wrote: »

Elder Scrolls is kinda square, I'll give the op that. So earnest. So serious. ESO has more humour than the Bethesda versions, but it's still pretty serious.

Whereas I don't think DnD could be that serious because (at least in my experience) the more serious the DM tries to make it the sillier the players will be. That's not to say it can't have dark themes and serious moments, but overall it's always going to be sillier than a world created for single-player games.

FluffyBird · November 2023

I can romance Astarion
I can't romance Fennorian

that's where the comparison ends

(jk)

(though I must say that despite them being very different games, curiously, BG3 managed to scratch the itch exactly in those spots where ESO disappointed me)

EdjeSwift · November 2023

I'm a huge fan of the Forgotten Realms and thusly had a strong interest in BG3, I had played BG1, BG2, and their expansions extensively and Neverwinter to boot.

That said, there's a strong reason I'm here playing ESO in my free time instead of BG3.

BG3 was quite underwhelming as a whole. Started off strong but fizzled out near the end. ESO may be the same gameplay/story I've played for nearly a decade, but it's still engaging enough that I can enjoy a new character/path while BG3 just felt like I had 3 major decisions to make outside of romance and that was it. As for wanting stuff from BG3 into this game, I understand that coding and engines limit a lot so I'm just here to enjoy the game, but if there is one thing I wouldn't mind, it's a little romance for the vestige.