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Crossplay between Xbox and PC through the Microsoft Store?
Bokila
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Since there are X pros and X cons regarding ESO crossplay and there's no clear intention from the developers of introducing a real cross play/cross save feature in the near future, can we at least have ESO on the Microsoft Store app on PC? It should run on the same servers as the Xbox ones (Afaik Ark does it this way) so the PC players can keep their beloved platform untouched. I moved from Xbox to PC and i cannot afford carrying an xbox around (i travel alot) when all i used to play on it was ESO. Everything else i do on the PC. It could also be a huge advantage for the xbox users that have handheld devices such as the Steam Deck since the handheld market is becoming more popular and it's targetting the console players.
I don't see any reason not to implement this and i don't think it will take alot of development time. You can keep the addons disabled and everything. I just want to play on my account from a PC instead of being forced to play it on the Xbox (already got rid of it).
And no, i won't start from 0 on PC. I'd rather not play at all.. It's not just about the grind but i invested money on my ESO Xbox account.
I don't see any reason not to implement this and i don't think it will take alot of development time. You can keep the addons disabled and everything. I just want to play on my account from a PC instead of being forced to play it on the Xbox (already got rid of it).
And no, i won't start from 0 on PC. I'd rather not play at all.. It's not just about the grind but i invested money on my ESO Xbox account.
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Maddoghalo1✭✭Been preaching this. Microsoft also owns ZOS too so I’m shocked they haven’t even moved forward with this. I am stuck playing this on my Xbox and want to transfer / play on PC. But stuck paying for Xbox live just to play eso on top of ESO+.
If ZOS did crossplay/crosssave this would bring the whole player base together and feel like one lively game again. Also bring much more players on. It’s always been super restrictive where you can’t play with friends on other platforms so guess what, they find other games.
It’s 2023, if the games available on multiple platforms, it’s standard now for crossplay/cross save. This segregation model is so old school.
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Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I expected some sort of cross-play to come out of Microsoft buying Zenimax, considering that seems to be their big thing at the moment - wanting as much cross-over between Xbox and Windows as possible. I think all Xbox games are also available on PC and if you get them via Gamepass you can play them on both.
The fact that it hasn't happened (yet) might just mean it's not a high priority for them, or it might mean there actually are insurmountable problems in the way the game and the servers are set up which means they have to be kept seperate. That's what ZOS always said - they could do a transfer once from PC to consoles because it was going into an empty database but they have no way to move or copy an account to a populated database. I know it can be done in other games, but I don't know enough about servers and databases to know if that means it should be possible on all of them.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭✭✭✭✭We don't get the exact same patch data, PC and console, even when we're both on the same update version. There are fixes along the way on PC that consoles didn't get and vice versa. In order for it to work, they need the same patch data across the board and sync the patch times to be the same. This also means say there's a problem that only affects PC, the Xbox version would have to be taken down for maintenance and patched even if the problem doesn't exist on Xbox just so they match.3 -
Bokila✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »We don't get the exact same patch data, PC and console, even when we're both on the same update version. There are fixes along the way on PC that consoles didn't get and vice versa. In order for it to work, they need the same patch data across the board and sync the patch times to be the same. This also means say there's a problem that only affects PC, the Xbox version would have to be taken down for maintenance and patched even if the problem doesn't exist on Xbox just so they match.
Yes, at the moment PC and Xbox don't get the same patch data but what i am saying is bringing the game to Microsoft Store on PC (the Xbox version along with their servers, not the PC one). I don't see how there could be a problem on just one of the platforms that requies taking it down as long as both run on the same patch. Ark Survival does it and it works. Players that buy Ark through the Microsoft Store can crossplay with Xbox players but they are unable to crossplay with the players that buy it on steam. This imo is a quickfix for some players that are in the same situation as me. I cannot and will not buy another Xbox just to play your game when there is clearly a way to allow me to use it even from PC.
My girlfriend is in the same situation. She bought a steam deck because it's super easy to carry it around and she got rid of her Xbox. I believe there are alot more people in the same situation and i don't see any reason why not to add it on Microsoft Store. They are literally losing money by not doing so.0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »We don't get the exact same patch data, PC and console, even when we're both on the same update version. There are fixes along the way on PC that consoles didn't get and vice versa. In order for it to work, they need the same patch data across the board and sync the patch times to be the same. This also means say there's a problem that only affects PC, the Xbox version would have to be taken down for maintenance and patched even if the problem doesn't exist on Xbox just so they match.
Yes, at the moment PC and Xbox don't get the same patch data but what i am saying is bringing the game to Microsoft Store on PC (the Xbox version along with their servers, not the PC one). I don't see how there could be a problem on just one of the platforms that requies taking it down as long as both run on the same patch. Ark Survival does it and it works. Players that buy Ark through the Microsoft Store can crossplay with Xbox players but they are unable to crossplay with the players that buy it on steam. This imo is a quickfix for some players that are in the same situation as me. I cannot and will not buy another Xbox just to play your game when there is clearly a way to allow me to use it even from PC.
My girlfriend is in the same situation. She bought a steam deck because it's super easy to carry it around and she got rid of her Xbox. I believe there are alot more people in the same situation and i don't see any reason why not to add it on Microsoft Store. They are literally losing money by not doing so.
The problem is, that opens the game to easily exploitable access to third party applications enabling cheating through PC. On top of removing the semi level (different console generations but still a hard cap on performance capabilities) playing field console users have by having the same or extremely similar hardware. A PC player on a super high end spec is going to have an advantage that console users just cannot achieve.0 -
Bokila✭✭✭The problem is, that opens the game to easily exploitable access to third party applications enabling cheating through PC. On top of removing the semi level (different console generations but still a hard cap on performance capabilities) playing field console users have by having the same or extremely similar hardware. A PC player on a super high end spec is going to have an advantage that console users just cannot achieve.
The game's been on PC since the release so all the "third party applications" should've been dealt with if they haven't been dealt with yet. I don't see it as a main reason not to enable the crossplay between the two. It is not the fault of the average player that this can somehow be done and the average player shouldn't be punished because some other persons can do it.
Regarding the performance difference, i think it's fair. You can't put 500 euros in a machine and expect it to perform as a 1500 one. There can definitely be an advantage but in my opinion an insignificant one because the game is already running at 60fps on consoles therefore anything over that is not a gamechanger in my opinion. If game was still locked at 30 then yeah, understandable. But since it's already on 60fps i think it's fair.
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Maddoghalo1✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »
The problem is, that opens the game to easily exploitable access to third party applications enabling cheating through PC. On top of removing the semi level (different console generations but still a hard cap on performance capabilities) playing field console users have by having the same or extremely similar hardware. A PC player on a super high end spec is going to have an advantage that console users just cannot achieve.
1. Games already vulnerable to exploitation, why? It’s available on PC. Soo who cares, part of the duties of maintaining a MMO or any online game.
2. Obviously PC players have an advantage over console. I play crossplay games on both my Xbox and PC like Destiny 2. I have a 144hz monitor and easily get over 100fps consistently. I still play it more on my Xbox because I like controller for that game and ability to sit back in my recliner and have it up on the big screen wall mounted.
Crossplay means everyone can play together, the whole pc runs faster then console though argument is obviously a no brainer kinda duh. PvE people love they can play and make friends on all platforms specially when in a guild. PvP most games make crossplay optional when matchmaking.
3. For the no brainer comment about patches come out different times for different platforms etc. Obviousky crossplay they would update all platforms at the same time. Just like anyone else who has a crossplay game they would fix bugs for all platforms. Except Bungie, they just love to break crap.Edited by Maddoghalo1 on November 2, 2023 3:38PM
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
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It is available to exploitation on PC, exactly. Which means opening console players to that exploitation is absurd. No thank you.
Obvious PC advantage over console, which means opening console players to that disadvantage is ridiculous.
Everyone can play together. Irrelevant.
Patches being different is more than just timing, the infrastructure to run the game on different devices is more likely than not different and no amount of wishful thinking is going to resolve those differences in an equitable way.
Edited by jaws343 on November 2, 2023 3:43PM2 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »We don't get the exact same patch data, PC and console, even when we're both on the same update version. There are fixes along the way on PC that consoles didn't get and vice versa. In order for it to work, they need the same patch data across the board and sync the patch times to be the same. This also means say there's a problem that only affects PC, the Xbox version would have to be taken down for maintenance and patched even if the problem doesn't exist on Xbox just so they match.
Yes, at the moment PC and Xbox don't get the same patch data but what i am saying is bringing the game to Microsoft Store on PC (the Xbox version along with their servers, not the PC one). I don't see how there could be a problem on just one of the platforms that requies taking it down as long as both run on the same patch. Ark Survival does it and it works. Players that buy Ark through the Microsoft Store can crossplay with Xbox players but they are unable to crossplay with the players that buy it on steam. This imo is a quickfix for some players that are in the same situation as me. I cannot and will not buy another Xbox just to play your game when there is clearly a way to allow me to use it even from PC.
My girlfriend is in the same situation. She bought a steam deck because it's super easy to carry it around and she got rid of her Xbox. I believe there are alot more people in the same situation and i don't see any reason why not to add it on Microsoft Store. They are literally losing money by not doing so.
The problem is, that opens the game to easily exploitable access to third party applications enabling cheating through PC. On top of removing the semi level (different console generations but still a hard cap on performance capabilities) playing field console users have by having the same or extremely similar hardware. A PC player on a super high end spec is going to have an advantage that console users just cannot achieve.
Why are different console generations not a problem, but the difference between an Xbox and a high end PC is a problem? The difference between the Xbox One and the Series X is comparable to gaming PCs the same age as the consoles. Ok a brand new PC with all top-of-the-line components can get better performance than a Series X, but it's not going to change the fact that they're playing the same game. (Also the vast majority of PC gamers don't have the best possible PC, mine is only 2 years old and actually has lower specs than a Series X, partially because graphics cards were stupidly expensive.)
Also this suggestion is to allow the Xbox version of ESO to run on PCs, so addons would still be disabled like they are on Xbox.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »We don't get the exact same patch data, PC and console, even when we're both on the same update version. There are fixes along the way on PC that consoles didn't get and vice versa. In order for it to work, they need the same patch data across the board and sync the patch times to be the same. This also means say there's a problem that only affects PC, the Xbox version would have to be taken down for maintenance and patched even if the problem doesn't exist on Xbox just so they match.
Yes, at the moment PC and Xbox don't get the same patch data but what i am saying is bringing the game to Microsoft Store on PC (the Xbox version along with their servers, not the PC one). I don't see how there could be a problem on just one of the platforms that requies taking it down as long as both run on the same patch. Ark Survival does it and it works. Players that buy Ark through the Microsoft Store can crossplay with Xbox players but they are unable to crossplay with the players that buy it on steam. This imo is a quickfix for some players that are in the same situation as me. I cannot and will not buy another Xbox just to play your game when there is clearly a way to allow me to use it even from PC.
My girlfriend is in the same situation. She bought a steam deck because it's super easy to carry it around and she got rid of her Xbox. I believe there are alot more people in the same situation and i don't see any reason why not to add it on Microsoft Store. They are literally losing money by not doing so.
The problem is, that opens the game to easily exploitable access to third party applications enabling cheating through PC. On top of removing the semi level (different console generations but still a hard cap on performance capabilities) playing field console users have by having the same or extremely similar hardware. A PC player on a super high end spec is going to have an advantage that console users just cannot achieve.
Why are different console generations not a problem, but the difference between an Xbox and a high end PC is a problem? The difference between the Xbox One and the Series X is comparable to gaming PCs the same age as the consoles. Ok a brand new PC with all top-of-the-line components can get better performance than a Series X, but it's not going to change the fact that they're playing the same game. (Also the vast majority of PC gamers don't have the best possible PC, mine is only 2 years old and actually has lower specs than a Series X, partially because graphics cards were stupidly expensive.)
Also this suggestion is to allow the Xbox version of ESO to run on PCs, so addons would still be disabled like they are on Xbox.
They aren't a problem because there is an upper limit to performance with them. No one is going to severely outclass other players the way it can be done on PC.0 -
Bokila✭✭✭It is available to exploitation on PC, exactly. Which means opening console players to that exploitation is absurd. No thank you.
Obvious PC advantage over console, which means opening console players to that disadvantage is ridiculous.
Everyone can play together. Irrelevant.
Patches being different is more than just timing, the infrastructure to run the game on different devices is more likely than not different and no amount of wishful thinking is going to resolve those differences in an equitable way.
The exploitation thing should be dealt with by the devs. Not allowing crossplay just for this reason is nonsense. [Snip]
Ridiculous advantage on PC vs console? I've played on Xbox One, Xbox Series X and PC and let me tell you, the difference between Xbox One and Series X is alot bigger than a Series X and a gaming PC. Yeah, a PC can go over 100fps in this game but a 30fps experience on the Xbox One is literally close to unplayable compared to the 60fps on the Series X and the crossplay is enabled between the two so this is clearly NOT a reason why it shouldn't be added on Microsoft Store. 30 to 60fps is a bigger gap than 60 to 100+ in my opinion and most players can't even make the difference when it comes to anything over 60fps.
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Overamera✭✭✭✭I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.0
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Bokila✭✭✭I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.
True but there will always be people that are against crossplay because of addons. The bare minimum they could do is add ESO on Microsoft Store and allow PC players to crossplay with Xbox from there (with addons disabled).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.
True but there will always be people that are against crossplay because of addons. The bare minimum they could do is add ESO on Microsoft Store and allow PC players to crossplay with Xbox from there (with addons disabled).
They'd better make it optional. I am NOT going to mess with xbox crossplay losing my addons. Absolutely not. I have ZERO interest in crossplay in any case.______________________________________________________
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Bokila✭✭✭I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.
True but there will always be people that are against crossplay because of addons. The bare minimum they could do is add ESO on Microsoft Store and allow PC players to crossplay with Xbox from there (with addons disabled).
They'd better make it optional. I am NOT going to mess with xbox crossplay losing my addons. Absolutely not. I have ZERO interest in crossplay in any case.
If they implement it in the Microsoft Store it would have nothing to do with your beloved PC server. All it would do is allow PC players to play on the Xbox server on PC with no addons, just like how Ark Survival servers work.0 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why would PC players want to? Seriously.______________________________________________________
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✭I looked into this, and it's a bit of a project to make it work the way you want.
For this to work, the Xbox version of the game would have be ported to PC since you're trying to play the Xbox version of ESO on PC which is what Ark did on the Microsoft Store to allow that version of crossplay. So it's not a matter of "just doing it", it's actually a big project to port a game from one platform to another, so in order to get what you want, it's not as simple as slapping the PC game into the MS store and letting it play on the Xbox servers.Antiquities Addict1 -
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✭I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.
True but there will always be people that are against crossplay because of addons. The bare minimum they could do is add ESO on Microsoft Store and allow PC players to crossplay with Xbox from there (with addons disabled).
They'd better make it optional. I am NOT going to mess with xbox crossplay losing my addons. Absolutely not. I have ZERO interest in crossplay in any case.
If they implement it in the Microsoft Store it would have nothing to do with your beloved PC server. All it would do is allow PC players to play on the Xbox server on PC with no addons, just like how Ark Survival servers work.
So, it'd make a 3rd server for PC. PCNA, PCEU and PCXB?0 -
Bokila✭✭✭Wildberryjack wrote: »
Yeah i am an Xbox ESO player but i don't want to hold onto an Xbox just to hold on to my account. I assume i'm not the only person in this situation so i would definitely play it from PC on the Microsoft/Xbox servers. I don't care about addons and i would not start again from 0 on PC because i invested money and effort on my Xbox acc. This is basically a workaround which would satisfy the both sides to some extent.I looked into this, and it's a bit of a project to make it work the way you want.
For this to work, the Xbox version of the game would have be ported to PC since you're trying to play the Xbox version of ESO on PC which is what Ark did on the Microsoft Store to allow that version of crossplay. So it's not a matter of "just doing it", it's actually a big project to port a game from one platform to another, so in order to get what you want, it's not as simple as slapping the PC game into the MS store and letting it play on the Xbox servers.
They don't need to port a whole game to another platform. They already have the game on the PC. I don't say it's an easy task but it's definitely easier than you make it out to be.0 -
Bokila✭✭✭Monte_Cristo wrote: »I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.
True but there will always be people that are against crossplay because of addons. The bare minimum they could do is add ESO on Microsoft Store and allow PC players to crossplay with Xbox from there (with addons disabled).
They'd better make it optional. I am NOT going to mess with xbox crossplay losing my addons. Absolutely not. I have ZERO interest in crossplay in any case.
If they implement it in the Microsoft Store it would have nothing to do with your beloved PC server. All it would do is allow PC players to play on the Xbox server on PC with no addons, just like how Ark Survival servers work.
So, it'd make a 3rd server for PC. PCNA, PCEU and PCXB?
No, the players that play it through the Microsoft Store would play it on the Xbox servers (XboxNA/EU). They are doing the same thing with Ark.0 -
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✭✭Monte_Cristo wrote: »I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.
True but there will always be people that are against crossplay because of addons. The bare minimum they could do is add ESO on Microsoft Store and allow PC players to crossplay with Xbox from there (with addons disabled).
They'd better make it optional. I am NOT going to mess with xbox crossplay losing my addons. Absolutely not. I have ZERO interest in crossplay in any case.
If they implement it in the Microsoft Store it would have nothing to do with your beloved PC server. All it would do is allow PC players to play on the Xbox server on PC with no addons, just like how Ark Survival servers work.
So, it'd make a 3rd server for PC. PCNA, PCEU and PCXB?
No, the players that play it through the Microsoft Store would play it on the Xbox servers (XboxNA/EU). They are doing the same thing with Ark.
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However, crossplay for ESO is a bit different than ARK or Sea of Thieves or For Honor by ubisoft. The data for the maps constantly wipes, while For Honor is match-module with weird map control mechs and never ending lootboxes. I don't think it will be implemented any time soon or ever for ESO, the uncontrolled botting on console and implications of ruining player economy aside. Perhaps maybe when interest in the game wanes, or maybe for specific matchmade things (pvp?).
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Mik195✭✭✭✭✭I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.
True but there will always be people that are against crossplay because of addons. The bare minimum they could do is add ESO on Microsoft Store and allow PC players to crossplay with Xbox from there (with addons disabled).
They'd better make it optional. I am NOT going to mess with xbox crossplay losing my addons. Absolutely not. I have ZERO interest in crossplay in any case.
And as a console player, I have no intention of playing with players who have addons.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.
True but there will always be people that are against crossplay because of addons. The bare minimum they could do is add ESO on Microsoft Store and allow PC players to crossplay with Xbox from there (with addons disabled).
They'd better make it optional. I am NOT going to mess with xbox crossplay losing my addons. Absolutely not. I have ZERO interest in crossplay in any case.
And as a console player, I have no intention of playing with players who have addons.
Good. Shouldn't be a problem then, right?______________________________________________________
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Bokila✭✭✭I dont mind if PC players would have advantages over console player if crossplay would happen. I would just be happy for a bigger and alive community rather than a dead one.
True but there will always be people that are against crossplay because of addons. The bare minimum they could do is add ESO on Microsoft Store and allow PC players to crossplay with Xbox from there (with addons disabled).
They'd better make it optional. I am NOT going to mess with xbox crossplay losing my addons. Absolutely not. I have ZERO interest in crossplay in any case.
And as a console player, I have no intention of playing with players who have addons.
There would be no addons, as i already have mentioned. It would be another way for players that used to play on Xbox to access their accounts from their PCs with no addons.Everyone on Console would weep at the level of inflation the PC economy has.
The reason why everything is inflated on PC is because making gold is much easier due to addons but having it on Microsoft Store with no addons would not change anything regarding the economy but increase the population of the Xbox servers.
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