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Can we have a non-leaderboard version of Endless Archive?
RaptorRodeoGod
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I just wanna run it for the fun of it, score pushing isn't really my deal. If there could be a version/mode that gives infinite threads, but removes the leaderboard, that'd be cool. Anybody else agree?
Add a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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Veteran players have been alienated and disengaged from Overland since One Tamriel, due to the lack of difficulty, and pushed into dungeons and trials; the minority of content in the Elder Scrolls Online. We can't take the repetition anymore, fix Overland engagement for Vet players. I don't even care if it's not combat related anymore, just make Overland engaging again.
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Overland difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 10 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including One Tamriel, an overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver & Gold as a "you think you do but you don't" - tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game. I'm bored of dungeons, I'm bored of trials; make a personal difficulty slider for overland. Make a self debuff mythic. Literally anything at this point.
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Veteran players have been alienated and disengaged from Overland since One Tamriel, due to the lack of difficulty, and pushed into dungeons and trials; the minority of content in the Elder Scrolls Online. We can't take the repetition anymore, fix Overland engagement for Vet players. I don't even care if it's not combat related anymore, just make Overland engaging again.
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Overland difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 10 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including One Tamriel, an overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver & Gold as a "you think you do but you don't" - tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game. I'm bored of dungeons, I'm bored of trials; make a personal difficulty slider for overland. Make a self debuff mythic. Literally anything at this point.
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TybaltKaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can just run it and not worry about the leaderboard?
I'm failing to see the reasoning for an entirely different instance of the same content.- Tybalt Kaine Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
- PC/NA
- Guildmaster- Lucky Raven
- Knight of Marrow - Blackfeather Academy
- Adepti- The Witches Goblet
- "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
- "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
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Nebs✭✭✭✭TybaltKaine wrote: »You can just run it and not worry about the leaderboard?
I'm failing to see the reasoning for an entirely different instance of the same content.
OP said in their post why. A non-leaderboards version, and in that version, your Threads never expire so you can actually just have silly fun getting over-powered. I'd be interested in that. I feel like Threads expire too quickly and found myself forgetting which ones were even active at the time.
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TybaltKaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭So you just want a cheat mode run? That's like asking for eternal sigils in Arenas.- Tybalt Kaine Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
- PC/NA
- Guildmaster- Lucky Raven
- Knight of Marrow - Blackfeather Academy
- Adepti- The Witches Goblet
- "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
- "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
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Nebs✭✭✭✭I don't think it's similar, because sigils aren't the same as threads, and arenas don't take inspiration from roguelikes and don't have the random buffs that the archive has.
I would absolutely play an arena with endless sigils too though because that also sounds like fun.1 -
Entaro✭✭✭TybaltKaine wrote: »So you just want a cheat mode run? That's like asking for eternal sigils in Arenas.
That isn't really what they suggested. The higher Arcs become very punishing with incoming damage, tanky adds, Tho'at additions, and multiple simultaneous mechanics happening that can easily kill you even as an extremely competent player. I can definitely see how something with infinite threads would appeal to some people and allow them more experimentation / challenge without the fear of death resetting everything constantly with the low thread count.
TBH more people overall would probably engage with the content in that manner than how it is currently implemented.8 -
TybaltKaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭I mean the point is that it gets harder. People have been begging for harder content for years, and this is a sort of answer to that. It's not the best solution, but it's what we got. I'm not an ultra tryhard sweaty, but at the same time I see the appeal for that sort of thing.
When everything else aside from ultra-high end trifecta stuff is brain off easy I don't get the appeal for adding more.
What you are asking for doesn't meet the goal of the content.- Tybalt Kaine Khajiit Nightblade Aldmeri Dominion
- PC/NA
- Guildmaster- Lucky Raven
- Knight of Marrow - Blackfeather Academy
- Adepti- The Witches Goblet
- "Nightblade healer huh? How does that work?"
- "I drain the blood of our enemies and fire it into you. It's a lot less messy than it sounds, and yeah I'm basically a Vampire without the whole AGH FIRE BAD"
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RaptorRodeoGod✭✭✭✭✭I don't see why people think I'm advocating for easier difficulty. The difficulty would progress as normal, but you'd be able to use this version as practice for leaderboards, or to really push yourself without the artificial life limit.Add a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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Veteran players have been alienated and disengaged from Overland since One Tamriel, due to the lack of difficulty, and pushed into dungeons and trials; the minority of content in the Elder Scrolls Online. We can't take the repetition anymore, fix Overland engagement for Vet players. I don't even care if it's not combat related anymore, just make Overland engaging again.
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Overland difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 10 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including One Tamriel, an overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver & Gold as a "you think you do but you don't" - tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game. I'm bored of dungeons, I'm bored of trials; make a personal difficulty slider for overland. Make a self debuff mythic. Literally anything at this point.4 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Doesn't have to be overly complicated or required a different version of the core EA.
Just behave as normally, 3 lifes, upon dying the 3rd time a pop up comes up asking if you'd like to continue, but sacrifice your leaderboard position or end the run there and submit your score.
Same could be said for a save/load feature.
Are you sure you would like to save your progress so you can revisit this later? You will no longer be placed on the leaderboard?
Yes or no.PC Beta - 2200+ CP
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LunaFlora✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭yes please!!miaow! i'm Luna ( she/her ).
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RaptorRodeoGod✭✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Doesn't have to be overly complicated or required a different version of the core EA.
Just behave as normally, 3 lifes, upon dying the 3rd time a pop up comes up asking if you'd like to continue, but sacrifice your leaderboard position or end the run there and submit your score.
Same could be said for a save/load feature.
Are you sure you would like to save your progress so you can revisit this later? You will no longer be placed on the leaderboard?
Yes or no.
Yeah I thought it would be more in line with the rest of the leaderboards if it worked like this too.Add a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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Veteran players have been alienated and disengaged from Overland since One Tamriel, due to the lack of difficulty, and pushed into dungeons and trials; the minority of content in the Elder Scrolls Online. We can't take the repetition anymore, fix Overland engagement for Vet players. I don't even care if it's not combat related anymore, just make Overland engaging again.
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Overland difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 10 years. 6 paid expansions. 25 DLCs. 41 game changing updates including One Tamriel, an overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver & Gold as a "you think you do but you don't" - tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game. I'm bored of dungeons, I'm bored of trials; make a personal difficulty slider for overland. Make a self debuff mythic. Literally anything at this point.0 -
endgamesmug✭✭✭✭I like that its gonna be challenging, the difficulty doesnt worry if nothing changed at all on pts gameplay wise id be fine with it. The leaderboard is just unnecessary and there should be an option to opt out, im not in there for some pretentious peacocking im there for my own personal progression!.1
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Elvenheart✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It could really just be the same version, and just as soon as you lose your third thread of fate that’s where your leaderboard progress ends, but you should be able to just keep going and going for as long as you want (“Endless”, anyone?). And I’m for some sort of feature that would let people start at the next arc after the last one they completed if they want to, the people that enjoy harder content could use that and the people that don’t could just start over at the beginning if they wanted. I think these two simple sounding things would really end up helping a lot of people.1 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Elvenheart wrote: »It could really just be the same version, and just as soon as you lose your third thread of fate that’s where your leaderboard progress ends, but you should be able to just keep going and going for as long as you want (“Endless”, anyone?). And I’m for some sort of feature that would let people start at the next arc after the last one they completed if they want to, the people that enjoy harder content could use that and the people that don’t could just start over at the beginning if they wanted. I think these two simple sounding things would really end up helping a lot of people.
Also. By skipping you're technically making it harder by having less buffs. Risk/Reward.PC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
Mag Sorc High Elf || Mag Templar High Elf || Mag Warden Breton || Mag Necro Khajiit || Mag Blade Khajiit2 -
Daoin✭✭✭any piece of pve content that can be done with a companion or a real friend that does not include having to group with score pushers or endlessly restart something to get it done witha forceful wipe gets my vote3
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James-Wayne✭✭✭✭✭
✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What even is the point of Leaderboards?
Because it will grant gold versions of the class sets.... Actually your right there is no point to it.PERTH, AUSTRALIA | PC | NA | @Aussie-Elders
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AlterBlika✭✭✭✭TybaltKaine wrote: »I mean the point is that it gets harder. People have been begging for harder content for years, and this is a sort of answer to that. It's not the best solution, but it's what we got. I'm not an ultra tryhard sweaty, but at the same time I see the appeal for that sort of thing.
When everything else aside from ultra-high end trifecta stuff is brain off easy I don't get the appeal for adding more.
What you are asking for doesn't meet the goal of the content.
There's already too much hard content to solo/duo in this game. EA isn't as fun as soloing/duoing vBRP for example. It's because of threads, only 3 lives on something really hard is just ridiculous. You die, you start over and spend time to get back where you were.
Also I fail to remember if people actually asked for harder solo content. We already have too much of it3 -
Braffin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I agree, a non-leaderboard version with proper save-function or even the ability to choose already completed Arcs freely would benefit everyone. Although I'm personally quite interested in playing leaderboards, they are doing more harm than good in EA, as they're the main reason for preventing saving.
Additionally I question EA-leaderboards in general, as this content isn't standardized enough to proper measure the performance of players. Everything in there is basically dependent of RNG.
Looking at almost every other leaderboard in this game (except PvP) we have the very same challenge for all participants, while a faster completion grants more points. Not so with EA, where you're rewarded for staying longer.
Edited by Braffin on October 17, 2023 1:04PMNever get between a cat and it's candy!
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Overland difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 24 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including One Tamriel, an overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver & Gold as a "you think you do but you don't" - tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game. I'm bored of dungeons, I'm bored of trials; make a personal difficulty slider for overland. It's not that hard.4 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭James-Wayne wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »What even is the point of Leaderboards?
Because it will grant gold versions of the class sets.... Actually your right there is no point to it.
Sets that are not worth using, it is not that the sets are not powerful but when equipped you have no room to equip "Better" sets like Pillar of Nirn or Whorl of the Depths or Order's Wrath or Kinras..you get the point.
Also it's not expensive to upgrade things to gold anyway, all that effort to get on a leaderboard could otherwise be spent in a less stressful environment farming the mats to make the items gold.2 -
Toxic_Hemlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭AlterBlika wrote: »Also I fail to remember if people actually asked for harder solo content. We already have too much of it
I know I didn't. Between the Bastion Nymics, arenas, trials, harrowtorms, dragons etc., finding anything I can do with just my companion without constantly dying are limited to overland and a few early base game dungeons.
EA is just gonna be another skip for me I fear, I may try to see if I an do the daily without falling on my sword, but I won't be spending any real time there.
It seems that the sweaty try hards are always getting the devs attention, and I was hoping just once the "I like overland the way it is" crowd might be thrown a bone...
Guess not.
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✭Lol. I'm sure they'll give EA the Diablo 4 treatment and introduce basic QOL features or options that should have been there from the start as exciting new features and updates in new patches3 -
Tigertron✭✭✭✭Well it sounds good but I’d take it one step further and say skip all the boring trash fights and just have Endless boss fights.1