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Toxicity ToT In-game Chat
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✭✭✭✭✭Necrotech_Master wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »It should not be possible to whisper people you are playing against in ToT, AvA, or BGs. There is no reason for it and it only serves a negative purpose.
i also heavily disagree with this
there are times ive been whispered stuff like "good fight" in cyro, not all whispers are salty hate
dont ruin the system for everyone
Fabulous, but far from a justification for a system that allows toxicity.
well, then all i say is good luck finding literally any pvp game at all that has 0 toxicity, its something you have to deal with unless you disable all forms of communication, then you only have to deal with "physical" stuff (emote taunting, teabagging, etc)
if you cant deal with that either, then you should just avoid pvp, you cant make everyone follow that (and no, i do not participate in "toxic" actions like teabagging, or hate whispers)
dont force your desire for disabled chat on everyone
if whispers were disabled in cyro, how would you expect to have a whisper conversation with a friend outside of cyro while you are in cyro? theres a lot of problems with the idea
as i said, if you hate the salt that comes with pvp, turn off your chat, but dont force it on everyone else
Some people should and do get chat banned.
i mean obviously if they are taking it to a level of harassment or being extremely offensive then yes they should be
im more referring to single salty hate whispers
Single salty hate whisper players likely do not exist. Sure, they may send a player only one hate whisper as long as that player is smart enough not to reply. However, the reality is they are likely to do it again as they proved the fact they are that type of person.Necrotech_Master wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »It should not be possible to whisper people you are playing against in ToT, AvA, or BGs. There is no reason for it and it only serves a negative purpose.
i also heavily disagree with this
there are times ive been whispered stuff like "good fight" in cyro, not all whispers are salty hate
dont ruin the system for everyone
Fabulous, but far from a justification for a system that allows toxicity.
well, then all i say is good luck finding literally any pvp game at all that has 0 toxicity, its something you have to deal with unless you disable all forms of communication, then you only have to deal with "physical" stuff (emote taunting, teabagging, etc)
As someone who has played PvP in a great number of games, this is the only game I have often received toxic whispers because the person got upset that I killed them in PvP. I do feel sorry for them and tend to take the high ground and ignore them rather than feed them.
But, yes, there are games that prevent such actions. GW2 is the first that comes to mind. When a player gets killed by another player in WvW they have no means to whisper or mail that enemy player. Even on the team side (alliance), toxic talk is rare. Very rare compared to ESO.
So no luck is needed. I just prefer ESO's combat style and story telling more.
ive also played pvp in a lot of games, some of which dont even have a chat interface (or if it does i dont pay attention to it at all like i do for eso chat)
i find restricting chat like you suggest in gw2 is still terrible, what if you saw someone you know in the pvp and had a friendly fight with them? you couldnt even whisper them at all to talk about it, congratulate them, or friendly gloating, etc unless you were on a 3rd party application to message them (such as steam or discord)
i dont think eliminating chat is the answer, because it also again, ruins the communication for "bystanders", people who actually whisper "good fight", or conversations with a friend who happen to be an enemy player that may or may not even be pvp related
the user always has the choice to block communication (turn off the chat box, go offline, or if the person whispering them is being egregious, report them)
an example i know of is planetside 2, its a 3 way faction fight similar to eso, but its a first person shooter, it does have a chat system, but unlike eso, the "zone" chat is something all 3 factions can see (there are other channels specifically for your faction, or team), i have seen some toxicity in there, but generally speaking i barely pay attention to the chat because im you know, trying to shoot or not get shot at (since its a FPS and much much faster combat than eso)
You challenged me to find a game that lacked toxicity in PvP and I pretty much did.
It is not a good solution to put the onus on the player that is receiving the toxic whisper but suggesting the solution is they can turn off their chat box or go online as a solution as it is literally suggesting the innocent player should punish themselves by preventing anyone, including their alliance, from receiving or even sending communication while in PvP.
I have given this some thought and have developed what I think is a far superior solution. If Zenimax receives a report of toxic communication from a player and finds the communication was not appropriate and not solicited the player would receive a warning. For the second offense, they would receive something like a one-week or one-month chat ban. For the third offense, the chat ban would be permanent. Since toxic chat is not limited to PvP this would be account wide.
Sure, some might think it is heavy-handed but it is actually very rational and logical. If someone cannot figure this out after the second offense Zenimax should not have to keep spending time and money dealing with it.
i highly doubt that game "lacks toxicity", just because you dont see it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen, i can almost guarantee that it does happen to some extent
Even on the team side (alliance), toxic talk is rare. Very rare compared to ESO.Necrotech_Master wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »It should not be possible to whisper people you are playing against in ToT, AvA, or BGs. There is no reason for it and it only serves a negative purpose.
i also heavily disagree with this
there are times ive been whispered stuff like "good fight" in cyro, not all whispers are salty hate
dont ruin the system for everyone
Fabulous, but far from a justification for a system that allows toxicity.
well, then all i say is good luck finding literally any pvp game at all that has 0 toxicity, its something you have to deal with unless you disable all forms of communication, then you only have to deal with "physical" stuff (emote taunting, teabagging, etc)
I never said the game lacked toxicity. I did note it was very rare compared to ESO because they do not permit such cross-talk. We have moved on from that though.Necrotech_Master wrote: »
the suggestion you make isnt any different than the current reporting system, you report include a screenshot of the chat, they review it to determine context or if its even actionable, and then choose to temp or perma banNecrotech_Master wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »It should not be possible to whisper people you are playing against in ToT, AvA, or BGs. There is no reason for it and it only serves a negative purpose.
i also heavily disagree with this
there are times ive been whispered stuff like "good fight" in cyro, not all whispers are salty hate
dont ruin the system for everyone
Fabulous, but far from a justification for a system that allows toxicity.
well, then all i say is good luck finding literally any pvp game at all that has 0 toxicity, its something you have to deal with unless you disable all forms of communication, then you only have to deal with "physical" stuff (emote taunting, teabagging, etc)
if you cant deal with that either, then you should just avoid pvp, you cant make everyone follow that (and no, i do not participate in "toxic" actions like teabagging, or hate whispers)
dont force your desire for disabled chat on everyone
if whispers were disabled in cyro, how would you expect to have a whisper conversation with a friend outside of cyro while you are in cyro? theres a lot of problems with the idea
as i said, if you hate the salt that comes with pvp, turn off your chat, but dont force it on everyone else
Some people should and do get chat banned.
i mean obviously if they are taking it to a level of harassment or being extremely offensive then yes they should be
im more referring to single salty hate whispers
Single salty hate whisper players likely do not exist. Sure, they may send a player only one hate whisper as long as that player is smart enough not to reply. However, the reality is they are likely to do it again as they proved the fact they are that type of person.Necrotech_Master wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »It should not be possible to whisper people you are playing against in ToT, AvA, or BGs. There is no reason for it and it only serves a negative purpose.
i also heavily disagree with this
there are times ive been whispered stuff like "good fight" in cyro, not all whispers are salty hate
dont ruin the system for everyone
Fabulous, but far from a justification for a system that allows toxicity.
well, then all i say is good luck finding literally any pvp game at all that has 0 toxicity, its something you have to deal with unless you disable all forms of communication, then you only have to deal with "physical" stuff (emote taunting, teabagging, etc)
As someone who has played PvP in a great number of games, this is the only game I have often received toxic whispers because the person got upset that I killed them in PvP. I do feel sorry for them and tend to take the high ground and ignore them rather than feed them.
But, yes, there are games that prevent such actions. GW2 is the first that comes to mind. When a player gets killed by another player in WvW they have no means to whisper or mail that enemy player. Even on the team side (alliance), toxic talk is rare. Very rare compared to ESO.
So no luck is needed. I just prefer ESO's combat style and story telling more.
ive also played pvp in a lot of games, some of which dont even have a chat interface (or if it does i dont pay attention to it at all like i do for eso chat)
i find restricting chat like you suggest in gw2 is still terrible, what if you saw someone you know in the pvp and had a friendly fight with them? you couldnt even whisper them at all to talk about it, congratulate them, or friendly gloating, etc unless you were on a 3rd party application to message them (such as steam or discord)
i dont think eliminating chat is the answer, because it also again, ruins the communication for "bystanders", people who actually whisper "good fight", or conversations with a friend who happen to be an enemy player that may or may not even be pvp related
the user always has the choice to block communication (turn off the chat box, go offline, or if the person whispering them is being egregious, report them)
an example i know of is planetside 2, its a 3 way faction fight similar to eso, but its a first person shooter, it does have a chat system, but unlike eso, the "zone" chat is something all 3 factions can see (there are other channels specifically for your faction, or team), i have seen some toxicity in there, but generally speaking i barely pay attention to the chat because im you know, trying to shoot or not get shot at (since its a FPS and much much faster combat than eso)
You challenged me to find a game that lacked toxicity in PvP and I pretty much did.
It is not a good solution to put the onus on the player that is receiving the toxic whisper but suggesting the solution is they can turn off their chat box or go online as a solution as it is literally suggesting the innocent player should punish themselves by preventing anyone, including their alliance, from receiving or even sending communication while in PvP.
I have given this some thought and have developed what I think is a far superior solution. If Zenimax receives a report of toxic communication from a player and finds the communication was not appropriate and not solicited the player would receive a warning. For the second offense, they would receive something like a one-week or one-month chat ban. For the third offense, the chat ban would be permanent. Since toxic chat is not limited to PvP this would be account wide.
Sure, some might think it is heavy-handed but it is actually very rational and logical. If someone cannot figure this out after the second offense Zenimax should not have to keep spending time and money dealing with it.
Yes, the suggestion is similar to what Zenimax already does, which is in line with the TOS. However, it differs in having a very specific outline for action.. Granted, the outline can be altered but having a specific outline is beneficial because players would know exactly what to expect if they get caught breaking the TOS again.
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WitchyKiki✭✭✭✭✭I just laugh, screenshot it and share it amongst my group of fellow ESO players and TOT discords. People want to make an ass out of themselves, let them!
I only whisper people who stall/troll games and tell them to be better sports about it. As far as "hate" whispers, I really don't entertain them anymore. Its a badge of honor, wear it!Context is for kings -Captain Gabriel Lorca0