ColdHarbor Over Run with Bots
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As I ran along the twisting trails of Coldharbor this weekend I came upon numerous locations like the Moonless Walk, Court of Contempt and Vile Laboratory filled to the brim with people running around. At first I thought it was just heavily populated but when I got closer, and a few of them targeted the same mobs that I was. I quickly realized someone in that bubble of characters was running bots all across Coldharbor.
I havent seen this anywhere else so Im assuming these players are purposely targeting higher level areas because of how empty it is of the general population. In my instance alone there were atleast 3 or 4 of these groups of bots running around out there with varying sizes and numbers.
I did my best to report what I could..Although I cant be sure I snapshotted the name of the actual player because of the UI and the crowd of bots.
I havent seen this anywhere else so Im assuming these players are purposely targeting higher level areas because of how empty it is of the general population. In my instance alone there were atleast 3 or 4 of these groups of bots running around out there with varying sizes and numbers.
I did my best to report what I could..Although I cant be sure I snapshotted the name of the actual player because of the UI and the crowd of bots.
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✭✭✭✭✭Are you sure they weren't just grinding? The locations you mentioned are popular grinding spots for the weirdos who like that.----
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✭✭✭✭I think it is mostly the timer to boss loot that affected it. I haven't seen any bots crowded around a delve boss in the last couple days. But what i have seen now is in the delves a chain of 4-5 bots run down a hallway killing all the mobs they encounter. When they get to the end of the hallway, they disappear 1 by 1, and the reappear 1 by 1 at the start of the hallway. Rinse and repeat. A whole bunch. A couple i have gone through basically turn most the delve into a sunday stroll since 80% of all the mobs are dead.0 -
bjornthvSoul Shrivenwell, he is right, been in Coldharbor earlier, and in the Chasm-area, both in the dungeon at the vampire graveyard as well as at that world-boss, there were several bots.
How do I know? Not a sane person names his character sdfjhlsd or jhdfskjh... And when you see 4 almost naked look-alikes running around with greatswords as if they were but-plugged to eachoter, yeah, prety sure they were bots.Edited by bjornthv on May 5, 2014 8:12PM4 -
I saw bot swarms yesterday in Rivenspire - Obsidian Scar public dungeon. They were not just targeting bosses. The mobs there have a quick respawn (or at least quicker than I have seen in other places). The bots were in groups of five or six and running the same path through different parts of the dungeon. It was pretty easy to spot the real players and the bots.
I won't complain too much - that mass saved me one or two times.1 -
SadisticSavior✭✭✭Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.My Vampire guide - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99101/my-vampire-experience3 -
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✭✭✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.
Sort of have to disagree with you. The whole reason bosses have loot times now were because of bots. The fact they changed their tactics mean it hit the target. So to say they have done nothing seems wrong.2 -
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not only that but they have a team of GMs to get rid of the bots now, though they are unable to be everywhere at once they are putting most efforts in to it then most mmos.vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »SadisticSavior wrote: »Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.
Sort of have to disagree with you. The whole reason bosses have loot times now were because of bots. The fact they changed their tactics mean it hit the target. So to say they have done nothing seems wrong.
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RudeShadowSoul ShrivenSadisticSavior wrote: »Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.
They have addressed their concerns on the bot issue on more than one occasion... Maybe you should do a forum search and you will find the information you've missed, before you make a false claim.
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methjester✭✭✭RudeShadow wrote: »SadisticSavior wrote: »Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.
They have addressed their concerns on the bot issue on more than one occasion... Maybe you should do a forum search and you will find the information you've missed, before you make a false claim.
They have sooooooo many problems to deal with in this game I doubt they'll be able to handle the bot swarm in Coldharbour. Yes, they are bots, bots are everywhere. They aren't hard to pick out. F2P is coming.
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GMs wouldn't be involved in fixing the problems in the game (broken quests, graphic issues, items not being usable, etc)methjester wrote: »They have sooooooo many problems to deal with in this game I doubt they'll be able to handle the bot swarm in Coldharbour.0 -
Rotherhans✭✭✭Yesterday I logged on my DC alt to finish the march to lvl10 and found bots in the frikken burning village right outside Daggerfall, starting point to the Wyrd Sisters questline, camping the scamps and stuff.
Not sure if my one report made a dent, but it sure surprised the heck out of me finding them now in a lowly starter area.
It just boggles my mind how these people can have so easy access to (theoretically) payed accounts.Edited by Rotherhans on May 6, 2014 3:19AM“I'm not going out of my way looking for devils;
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Thesiren✭✭✭Rotherhans wrote: »...It just boggles my mind how these people can have so easy access to (theoretically) payed accounts.
It's nothing less than organized crime, and stolen credit cards and stolen identities are their main business.
You didn't really think they care about the two dollars people buy gold with, did you? It's credit card numbers and identities those people are ultimately after, and every account they use is either begun with a stolen credit card, or it's a hacked account. And round and round we go.
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✭methjester wrote: »RudeShadow wrote: »SadisticSavior wrote: »Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.
They have addressed their concerns on the bot issue on more than one occasion... Maybe you should do a forum search and you will find the information you've missed, before you make a false claim.
They have sooooooo many problems to deal with in this game I doubt they'll be able to handle the bot swarm in Coldharbour. Yes, they are bots, bots are everywhere. They aren't hard to pick out. F2P is coming.
I agree with you WoW had a similar bot problem near the beginning of BC and they went free to play soon after.
(are you a troll or just stupid?)Edited by Laura on May 6, 2014 3:30AM0 -
Rotherhans✭✭✭Yeah, I´m aware that there´s some type of organization behind these things.
Mainly specializing in credit card fraud and account "hacking" through simple log in script abuse by buying password lists
I´ve been through the experience in GW2. And I know how hilariously stupid people are with their banking and password habits or careless with their identity informations (see "NSAbook").
My problem lies with ZMax and how blue-eyed they have started this operation.
From the typical cardinal error of having the account login name freely accessible in game to the freely teleporting bots 1st week in, that point to disastrous security issues with client-server communication.
Sure, live GMs in game are awesome.
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Humor✭✭✭So... people see one screenshot of ONE GM, and assume the GM's are on this issue? Don't make me laugh.
Zenimax has all the power in the world to teleport from location to loctation, "Channel to Channel", and you people think they have "teams" being sent out to deal with the bots? You're crazy.
Zenimax has written, and programmed ESO, they certainly would have no problem banning accounts, and or dealing with the bot issues. However, just like the PTS, the Closed Beta, and Beta, they've chosen to do absolutely nothing but twiddle their thumbs and rake in the money, until they start losing a larger portion of the player base. In which they'll most likely just respond with ; "Here's a cash shop, this solves EVERYTHING!".
This was probably my most anticipated game of the year, and don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying every moment of it, however, one has to wonder when "enough, is enough".
As I've said before, I'll give em my 180 days worth, and hopefully stuff will change before it's "too late" (for me anyways).
EDIT: If the player base can pick out a bot... How on earth can Zenimax, normal human beings just like us, not pick out a bot? Their excuses of being afraid of banning innocent accounts is just that, and excuse.Edited by Humor on May 6, 2014 3:56AM1 -
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And yet large groups of them continue to run, not stand by a boss, through places like Coldharbor and steamroll mobs.
I do hope theres a team of GMs out there working hard to clear this game of the cheaters and bots.
But it seems the GMs are not as widespread as they could be and they surely arent online enough to catch the bots who are hanging out in low pop regions during low pop times.
Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
Khandi✭✭✭Rotherhans wrote: »...It just boggles my mind how these people can have so easy access to (theoretically) payed accounts.
It's nothing less than organized crime, and stolen credit cards and stolen identities are their main business.
You didn't really think they care about the two dollars people buy gold with, did you? It's credit card numbers and identities those people are ultimately after, and every account they use is either begun with a stolen credit card, or it's a hacked account. And round and round we go.
And here we are being added to FIVE (!) guilds as half our email addresses. I was ~this~ close to being hacked by someone from China a month ago but my email provider shut it down. My advice would be to tighten up those passwords folks.
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Um...how is my claim false? LOLRudeShadow wrote: »SadisticSavior wrote: »Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.
They have addressed their concerns on the bot issue on more than one occasion... Maybe you should do a forum search and you will find the information you've missed, before you make a false claim.
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SadisticSavior✭✭✭methjester wrote: »RudeShadow wrote: »SadisticSavior wrote: »Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.
They have addressed their concerns on the bot issue on more than one occasion... Maybe you should do a forum search and you will find the information you've missed, before you make a false claim.
They have sooooooo many problems to deal with in this game I doubt they'll be able to handle the bot swarm in Coldharbour. Yes, they are bots, bots are everywhere. They aren't hard to pick out. F2P is coming.
F2P would not fix the problem...it would make it worse.My Vampire guide - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99101/my-vampire-experience0 -
ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »methjester wrote: »RudeShadow wrote: »SadisticSavior wrote: »Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.
They have addressed their concerns on the bot issue on more than one occasion... Maybe you should do a forum search and you will find the information you've missed, before you make a false claim.
They have sooooooo many problems to deal with in this game I doubt they'll be able to handle the bot swarm in Coldharbour. Yes, they are bots, bots are everywhere. They aren't hard to pick out. F2P is coming.
F2P would not fix the problem...it would make it worse.
Wrong. Publishers have to take care of bots in F2P games because gold sellers compete with their own in game shop.
They lose direct countable money. ZOS does not. Nobody can guess how many people unscrub just because of bots. It's a vague and implicit effect that is impossible to measure.
I plaid RIFT to 60 and only met once a bunch of fishing bots. TERA to 60 not a single bot.
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MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭Rotherhans wrote: »It's credit card numbers and identities those people are ultimately after,
I find it incredibly difficult to believe anyone that has a credit card that is showing unauthorized transactions does absolutely nothing about it in this day and age.
Not to mention most cards have a nice safety net policy regarding such transactions. If you challenge the charge, there's a good chance you don't have to pay it and it gets reversed.
And let's not forget that a large part of the gaming community KNOWS these sites are scams and almost universally DETESTS gold farmers/spammers. Who in their right mind is going to patronize any of these places?
No. We keep plugging away and eventually they will realize it's not worth their time and effort to populate this game.Edited by MercyKilling on May 7, 2014 2:38AMI am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
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In F2P accounts is free, the only cost is the time it take to level up high enough to run the bot.SadisticSavior wrote: »methjester wrote: »RudeShadow wrote: »SadisticSavior wrote: »Zenimax is not concerned with Bots yet. At least not very much. I have reported them many times, and have never seen anyone do anything about it. I am beginning to think the report option is a placebo.
If the bot situation gets out of hand, it would be enough to make me move on from this game. It just would not be fun anymore.
They have addressed their concerns on the bot issue on more than one occasion... Maybe you should do a forum search and you will find the information you've missed, before you make a false claim.
They have sooooooo many problems to deal with in this game I doubt they'll be able to handle the bot swarm in Coldharbour. Yes, they are bots, bots are everywhere. They aren't hard to pick out. F2P is coming.
F2P would not fix the problem...it would make it worse.
Wrong. Publishers have to take care of bots in F2P games because gold sellers compete with their own in game shop.
They lose direct countable money. ZOS does not. Nobody can guess how many people unscrub just because of bots. It's a vague and implicit effect that is impossible to measure.
I plaid RIFT to 60 and only met once a bunch of fishing bots. TERA to 60 not a single bot.
ESO? I stopped counting when it went into the 4 digits.
Main problem for bots in an F2P game is that you don't have gold sinks but $ sinks, the cash shop don't compete with the action house anyway.
The start up gold sinks in ESO: horse, bank and bag space might make it very attractive for gold sellers. Made worse in that low level characters can grind lots of gold. In WOW it was not so much to spend gold on unless you started spending like an drunken sailor in the action house.
And the reason why the bots has moved to higher level areas is because the low level one are less attractive and they are hunted where.
Now the fight move to other arenas, no you don't get rid of all the bots WOW still have them however they will be moved out of sight and the process will become far less lucrative as the good spots have traps for bots.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭SadisticSavior wrote: »
Easier to manufacture. Harder to maintain. F2P games have efficient means to make bot play a pain in the ass.
Go and find me bots in the top F2P games. But take a month off work just to be sure.0
