Magicka spamable from Mages Guild

techprince · July 2023

Fighters Guild gives access to a great spamable for Stamina users. But this isnt the case with Magicka users.

What if we convert the base skill Entropy to a spamable like Strife from nightblade? Degeneration morph remains as it is and Structured Entropy becomes a hot giving spamable.

This will also increase its use case as its rarely used.

LunaFlora · July 2023

structured entropy is one of the skills i use for my damage over time build
i love that it does damage and healing over time

Faulgor · July 2023

Might be a better idea to just move the Brutality/Sorcery buff to the base skill and turn Degeneration into a spammable.

kojou · July 2023

I feel like there are enough spammables in the game. Not sure what value adding another would add.

SilverIce58 · July 2023

kojou wrote: »

I feel like there are enough spammables in the game. Not sure what value adding another would add.

To better utilize the Mages Guild passives for one, and another reason is that it lets people have a Mage's Guild themed character, but that one's really just personal value.

KlauthWarthog · July 2023

It might get a bit redundant with the psijic spammable. I would prefer to see fire rune grant a buff as a side effect.

menedhyn · July 2023

I quite like Structured Entropy as it is for the same reason as mentioned by LunaFlora, and I have started to use it more often simply because I like it. However, I do support in principle having a wider array of non-class skills to choose from.

CameraBeardThePirate · July 2023

Classes like Warden and Necro still don't have a usable spammable in their class kit. Why don't we start by buffing those first?

Faulgor · July 2023

KlauthWarthog wrote: »

It might get a bit redundant with the psijic spammable. I would prefer to see fire rune grant a buff as a side effect.

The Mages Guild spammable could be melee range to differentiate it from the Psijic spammable. Like the touch spells of old.

ZhuJiuyin · July 2023

The Mages Guild spammable could be melee range to differentiate it from the Psijic spammable. Like the touch spells of old.

I think people play Mages Guild to be able to attack from a distance, and the melee range magic doesn't seem to fit the traditional image of a magic user

Zabagad · July 2023

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Classes like Warden and Necro still don't have a usable spammable in their class kit. Why don't we start by buffing those first?

What is the "usable spammable" in the Sorc class kit?
We (at least magSorcs) have to use Psijic or CS all the time.
So pls put us in your list

i11ionward · July 2023

New spammable is good, but changing the duration of Empower to 20 seconds would be better

BasP · July 2023

i11ionward wrote: »

New spammable is good, but changing the duration of Empower to 20 seconds would be better

Yeah, that'd definitely be a nice QoL change for non-Oakensoul Heavy Attack builds.

i11ionward · August 2023

i11ionward wrote: »

New spammable is good, but changing the duration of Empower to 20 seconds would be better

I really want the developers to pay attention please @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin
I like HA builds, I will also continue to play with HA build after the release of the new update. But what I really want is to stop being a prisoner of oakensoul. I want to play HA build with two bars, now only Templar and DK can do this, as they have 20+ seconds empower, buff duration less than 20 seconds are very annoying and cannot be used in a decent rotation.

BasP · August 2023

i11ionward wrote: »

i11ionward wrote: »

New spammable is good, but changing the duration of Empower to 20 seconds would be better

I really want the developers to pay attention please @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin
I like HA builds, I will also continue to play with HA build after the release of the new update. But what I really want is to stop being a prisoner of oakensoul. I want to play HA build with two bars, now only Templar and DK can do this, as they have 20+ seconds empower, buff duration less than 20 seconds are very annoying and cannot be used in a decent rotation.

I think it'd be nice if you'd just get Empower while a Mages Guild ability is active, considering Entropy and Scalding Rune last quite some time and are (I guess?) the most obvious Mages Guild skills to use if one want to get the Empower buff. But a duration of 20 - 25 seconds or so would be great too.

Twohothardware · August 2023

I’d like to see the Mages Guild and Fighters Guild have their skills scrapped and have all new skill lines with some new and interesting options to fill weak spots in some classes. A lot of the current skills barely get used outside of the ultimates or slotting a skill like Inner Life for the Major Savagery and Prophecy.

OtarTheMad · August 2023

Well, both the Mages and Fighters guilds only have 4 skills and an ultimate whereas all other skill lines have 5. Could just add a spell to both.

M0ntie · August 2023

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Classes like Warden and Necro still don't have a usable spammable in their class kit. Why don't we start by buffing those first?

What are dive and blast bones?

CameraBeardThePirate · August 2023

M0ntie wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Classes like Warden and Necro still don't have a usable spammable in their class kit. Why don't we start by buffing those first?

What are dive and blast bones?

Dive is terrible and Blastbones is a delayed burst skill, not a spammable.

Zabagad · August 2023

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Classes like Warden and Necro still don't have a usable spammable in their class kit. Why don't we start by buffing those first?

What are dive and blast bones?

Dive is terrible and Blastbones is a delayed burst skill, not a spammable.

pretty sure he/she/it meant skulls...

JerBearESO · August 2023

So I had I thought where this could fit. With the inferno change, it would be nice to have a DoT based spamable, perhaps dealing a few DoT damage instances in rapid succession. Though I must admit I would like this to have a stamina morph and maybe deal disease damage....

WrathOfInnos · August 2023

Scalding Rune can make a good "spammable" for some builds. I use quotes because you technically cannot spam it, but as long as you cast one other skill between runes it's great. The initial tick is more damage than most spammables, benefits from debuffs like Engulfing and Encratis, and gives Mage's Guild passives for slotting. If you are refreshing other skills and it ticks more than once then even better, free damage that other spammables would not give.

techprince · August 2023

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Scalding Rune can make a good "spammable" for some builds. I use quotes because you technically cannot spam it, but as long as you cast one other skill between runes it's great. The initial tick is more damage than most spammables, benefits from debuffs like Engulfing and Encratis, and gives Mage's Guild passives for slotting. If you are refreshing other skills and it ticks more than once then even better, free damage that other spammables would not give.

It takes 2 seconds to arm, costs more than a spamable as well.

NuarBlack · August 2023

Faulgor wrote: »

KlauthWarthog wrote: »

It might get a bit redundant with the psijic spammable. I would prefer to see fire rune grant a buff as a side effect.

The Mages Guild spammable could be melee range to differentiate it from the Psijic spammable. Like the touch spells of old.

You could differentiate via the morphs, one range, one a touch spell. I would rather get a frostbolt, fire ball, or lightning bolt though rather than a strife like skill. ESO is so terrible at following the mainline power fantasy it almost ruins the game. I want my destruction magic fully realized.

WrathOfInnos · August 2023

techprince wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Scalding Rune can make a good "spammable" for some builds. I use quotes because you technically cannot spam it, but as long as you cast one other skill between runes it's great. The initial tick is more damage than most spammables, benefits from debuffs like Engulfing and Encratis, and gives Mage's Guild passives for slotting. If you are refreshing other skills and it ticks more than once then even better, free damage that other spammables would not give.

It takes 2 seconds to arm, costs more than a spamable as well.

The arming time can be beneficial, since you get a free cast before combat starts, for nice starting burst. Although it does limit the use to stationary or predictable enemies (most PVE bosses), and is not reliable against other players.

I've found that it works well on DoT heavy builds that have a few holes in the rotation. Necromancer is a good example, with Blastbones and DoTs consuming most GCD's.

BasP · August 2023

i11ionward wrote: »

i11ionward wrote: »

New spammable is good, but changing the duration of Empower to 20 seconds would be better

I really want the developers to pay attention please @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin
I like HA builds, I will also continue to play with HA build after the release of the new update. But what I really want is to stop being a prisoner of oakensoul. I want to play HA build with two bars, now only Templar and DK can do this, as they have 20+ seconds empower, buff duration less than 20 seconds are very annoying and cannot be used in a decent rotation.

So after reading this post I tested a two bar HA Sorc and while the DPS was okay for a HA build (95K) (or 102K with a Trial set), it definitely is annoying having to recast Scalding Rune for 10 seconds of the Empower buff that often. Increasing its duration seems like such a simple change to make, while it would not make a build like that OP or anything.

WuffyCerulei · August 2023

techprince wrote: »

Fighters Guild gives access to a great spamable for Stamina users. But this isnt the case with Magicka users.

What if we convert the base skill Entropy to a spamable like Strife from nightblade? Degeneration morph remains as it is and Structured Entropy becomes a hot giving spamable.

This will also increase its use case as its rarely used.

I'd say, instead make Entropy and morphs have Major Brutality/Sorcery as base buffs. Degeneration instead become an instant damage skill, like other spammables. Structured Entropy stays the same. A fair amount of people use Entropy/Degen for the dot, Structured Entropy for the heal, and Degen for the buffs. If making the major buffs available to the base version and morphs, Degen can be used as something else.

i11ionward · August 2023

BasP wrote: »

i11ionward wrote: »

i11ionward wrote: »

New spammable is good, but changing the duration of Empower to 20 seconds would be better

I really want the developers to pay attention please @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin
I like HA builds, I will also continue to play with HA build after the release of the new update. But what I really want is to stop being a prisoner of oakensoul. I want to play HA build with two bars, now only Templar and DK can do this, as they have 20+ seconds empower, buff duration less than 20 seconds are very annoying and cannot be used in a decent rotation.

So after reading this post I tested a two bar HA Sorc and while the DPS was okay for a HA build (95K), it definitely is annoying having to recast Scalding Rune for 10 seconds Empower that often. It seems like such a simple change to make, while it would not make a build like that OP or anything.

Looks like a great option for those who are tired of Oakensoul HA and want to take level up but be one level down from the traditional LA weaving.