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[SUGGESTION] NB's Shadow Disguise should allow us to do sneak attacks.
SunfireKnight86
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Right now we can only sneak attack with the first hit in an encounter. It's a solid hit, taking 3/5 of an enemies health, and is a great opener. After that however all we can do is crit, which is significantly weaker. It takes me forever to kill groups because I have to keep 1-2 stunned/CC/Knockbacked while I try and DPS one of them.
The class is the weakest of the four by a long shot. We need a boost of some kind, and I think allowing us to sneak attack multiple times in a fight would be a fair adjustment. Either that or doubling the amount of damage our crits do.
We are supposed to be the best single target DPS in the game, but we aren't. Fix us please.
Edited by SunfireKnight86 on May 5, 2014 2:35PM The class is the weakest of the four by a long shot. We need a boost of some kind, and I think allowing us to sneak attack multiple times in a fight would be a fair adjustment. Either that or doubling the amount of damage our crits do.
We are supposed to be the best single target DPS in the game, but we aren't. Fix us please.
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concobar✭✭✭Hidden blade is a pain in the ass to get to work in PvP. this is why so many NBs use bow or spam Lotus fan as their opener. Many times I have lined up a sneak attack and had the power simply not work when I hit the button or if it did go off do sub par damage and no stun even though I was inv and behind my target. I tend to blame latency but who knows...I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.1 -
Saturn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Although Shadow Cloak will not give you the damage bonus you get from sneak before entering combat, it will allow you to trigger the 4 sec stun on Veiled Strike. And it is not as if Shadow Cloak is bad, with the passive Dark Veil maxed out you get 3 seconds where you cannot be detected and you can use this in quick succession. I have used it in PVP to get 15 seconds of invisibility, which allowed me sneak into the enemy castle undetected.
That being said, the sneak bonus is really damn powerful and if Nightblades could get that bonus every single time they activated Shadow Cloak that would mean you could potentially 2 or 3 shot a player in PVP.
Furthermore, I don't think the Nightblade is the "weakest class by a long shot", I play one myself and I outdo most everyone else in dungeons in terms of damage. When it comes to taking on multiple groups I never have any problems with NPCs my own level, I am usually able to oneshot the first target with the stealth bonus and after that there are plenty of ways to deal with the rest. I recommend getting the buff from the Mundus stone of the Shadow if you are looking for more stealth damage.
I think the skill curve with the Nightblade might be a bit steeper than the rest of the classes, but with some planning you can make some very insane combos that trigger off of each other and gives you great regeneration, life steal and increased damage.
Personally I have always thought that the Dragonknight was the weakest of the classes, so I think it simply has to do with perspective as I would argue that Nightblade is right next to Sorcerer in terms of most powerful class. Besides there are so many ways to play your class that you just have to consider. I think reading the article on the Shadow Knight might give you some suggestions on how you could potentially play your class differently, which might be needed if your current play-style preforms lesser than what you expected.4 -
concobar✭✭✭Magelight owns stealth and Inv, I also play a NB.I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.1
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭I do fine with a NB too, I just see a lot of people who can wash through mobs of 3-4 NPC on level with no problem, while it takes me a good minute or two.
We are a class that requires more planning for sure.1 -
Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭I usually see NB's teleporting all over the field and ravaging siege machines by killing the person on the ballista in 3 hits while they are stunned.
I always prefer making something a little bit stronger to nerf everything, and the one problem I have with your idea is that Nightblade Vampires are already a little too powerful as is.
Within; Without.2 -
Osi✭✭✭You can do more than critical if you use it and get behind them. You will get the sneak attack bonus (300%) versus just a critical attack bonus (150%). You need to be out of line of sight. You can notice that by comparing the damage of invisibility -> surprise attack while in front of vs behind an enemy.
Edit - Of course that only applies to PvE; no idea how or if it works in PvP.Edited by Osi on May 5, 2014 3:47PM0 -
WilliamTee✭✭✭True sneak attack on my v10 NB in pve = ~1900 damage.
Umm, no. It would not be a good thing to let me do more than one of these in a fight.3 -
LunaRae✭✭✭✭Straight up the challenge is abilities not doing what they are supposed to do, either they partially work or don't work period. I speak for all classes - fix up all abilities (including outside of class abilities) and then we can start to look at balance. Right now bugs make it way too hard to see what is working and what isn't.Stands-Strong-As-Snow ~ Argonian Templar DC NA V14
Ytheri ~ Argonian Nightblade EP Thornblade NA V14
Heals-All-Colours ~ Argonian Templar EP Thornblade NA V14
Stands-In-Still-Waters~ Argonian Sorcerer EP Thornblade NA V22 -
Keiffo✭✭✭Although Shadow Cloak will not give you the damage bonus you get from sneak before entering combat, it will allow you to trigger the 4 sec stun on Veiled Strike. And it is not as if Shadow Cloak is bad, with the passive Dark Veil maxed out you get 3 seconds where you cannot be detected and you can use this in quick succession. I have used it in PVP to get 15 seconds of invisibility, which allowed me sneak into the enemy castle undetected.
That being said, the sneak bonus is really damn powerful and if Nightblades could get that bonus every single time they activated Shadow Cloak that would mean you could potentially 2 or 3 shot a player in PVP.
Furthermore, I don't think the Nightblade is the "weakest class by a long shot", I play one myself and I outdo most everyone else in dungeons in terms of damage. When it comes to taking on multiple groups I never have any problems with NPCs my own level, I am usually able to oneshot the first target with the stealth bonus and after that there are plenty of ways to deal with the rest. I recommend getting the buff from the Mundus stone of the Shadow if you are looking for more stealth damage.
I think the skill curve with the Nightblade might be a bit steeper than the rest of the classes, but with some planning you can make some very insane combos that trigger off of each other and gives you great regeneration, life steal and increased damage.
Personally I have always thought that the Dragonknight was the weakest of the classes, so I think it simply has to do with perspective as I would argue that Nightblade is right next to Sorcerer in terms of most powerful class. Besides there are so many ways to play your class that you just have to consider. I think reading the article on the Shadow Knight might give you some suggestions on how you could potentially play your class differently, which might be needed if your current play-style preforms lesser than what you expected.
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Beldorr✭✭✭WilliamTee wrote: »True sneak attack on my v10 NB in pve = ~1900 damage.
Umm, no. It would not be a good thing to let me do more than one of these in a fight.
Concealed weapon on my magika based NB hits for this at vr5. Soul Harvest hits in the 2.5-2.8k range.1 -
WilliamTee✭✭✭Beldorrub17_ESO wrote: »WilliamTee wrote: »True sneak attack on my v10 NB in pve = ~1900 damage.
Umm, no. It would not be a good thing to let me do more than one of these in a fight.
Concealed weapon on my magika based NB hits for this at vr5. Soul Harvest hits in the 2.5-2.8k range.
wah.
wonder what i'm doing wrong then
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is very hard hit someone with soul harvest in pvp, long animation(istant ability but have a very long animation 2 sec) and the hight latency for us europeans doesn t help. When european server comin can we talk, for now my sub is closed.Beldorrub17_ESO wrote: »WilliamTee wrote: »True sneak attack on my v10 NB in pve = ~1900 damage.
Umm, no. It would not be a good thing to let me do more than one of these in a fight.
Concealed weapon on my magika based NB hits for this at vr5. Soul Harvest hits in the 2.5-2.8k range.Edited by davidetombab16_ESO on May 5, 2014 10:43PM0 -
neocomab16_ESO✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Me too
you play as a melee and wear medium armor prolly? oka and gear as a sorc and win ...pathetic but true
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭All I ask is the ability to one-shot-kill everything.
Is that so much to ask?Crotchety Old Man Guild
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As a VR4 NB the invisibility abilities are already OP as is... Use the 100% crit chance morph if you want damage out of it.3
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭neocomab16_ESO wrote: »SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Me too
you play as a melee and wear medium armor prolly? oka and gear as a sorc and win ...pathetic but true
I have since switched to light armor and I'm having much, much, much better results. Medium armor seemed like the natural choice for a NB but it wasn't. This class works much better when you play it like a melee caster.1 -
User✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »
I have since switched to light armor and I'm having much, much, much better results. Medium armor seemed like the natural choice for a NB but it wasn't. This class works much better when you play it like a melee caster.
Yes, it's a bad class design. ZOS seems to encourage us to play as caster, since magicka based skills are much more versatile.Edited by User on May 7, 2014 9:06AM0 -
Skirmish840✭✭✭And I was about to ask what the hell to do in PVP as a NB, especially what to do when I'm jumped, it's a death sentence everytime.1 -
ElSlayer✭✭✭
Bow and Siphoning skills?Skirmish840 wrote: »And I was about to ask what the hell to do in PVP as a NB, especially what to do when I'm jumped, it's a death sentence everytime.
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Im an NB and while we could use a buff, what you are suggesting is way too much.
If you could get a sneak attack from "invisible" you could 2/3 shot people without effort.
Learn to use flying blade.0 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Skirmish840 wrote: »And I was about to ask what the hell to do in PVP as a NB, especially what to do when I'm jumped, it's a death sentence everytime.
When you are jumped break CC, hit the cloak and try to get out of there asap.
Of course the best is to be aware of your surrounding and to NOT be jumped, you are supposed to be the one attacking by surprise.
Edited by Gisgo on May 7, 2014 5:46AM0 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Agreed, we are not awful in my opinion but all 3 other classes are extremely more powerful, so rather than calling for a nerf of them, I would like to see NB brought up to speed.
Just make them scale better, allow cloak to drop aggro, btw players see through cloak with ML so it's not that powerful.1 -
LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭On a good day, I really love playing my NB. Have not had trouble soloing most things except a few hardcore bosses. On a bad day when the bugs are plaguing me, well that is another story. Yesterday was one of those days.....Seems since I hit VR1 the bugs have been horrible, they were bad before but feels like they have got a lot worse, on top of the magic drain that is not the best, I think I am going to trade up my heavy pieces and try out the medium with some light instead. Still love the medium bonuses, but I think the light bonus is going to be much better than what I get with any heavy for sure.0 -
dinges✭✭Playing NB shadow/siphon mostly with bow/+dot abilities as second set. Opening with some shots and dots before going to NB 2hdr siphoning is just to easy.
At the moment killing the level 45+ bosses and mobs in The Rift solo... Heard VR+ becomes a lot harder for NB but afaik you shouldnt have probs prior to it.0 -
Chirru✭✭✭✭Look... a dual wielding NB going one on one with an NPC the same level, and using only weapon damage (no class skills...no siphoning) will get the threshing
of his / her life.
I actually tied this out by pitting my 2H DK against an NPC, using only the two handed sword and after did the same with the NB using only two daggers. Guess who did survive and who did not?
Come on...stop all the crap with class skills and crits and how to arrange them. A NB using dual weapons ought to do the same basic damage as a DK using a 2h or a Templer or a Sorc. and do not tell me they do because I tried it out and they do not. Yes they are supposed too, but game-reality plays out differently. Any class ought be able to defeat any same level NPC one on one by using normal weapon damage, and right now this is not the case.
Class skills ought to be special moves and abilities on top of basic weapon damage. Right now, class skills are the defining skills. Indeed, with all class skills being magicka dependent...there is Only ONE successful build for all classes and that is a magicka build. Anyone neglecting this will very quickly quit once reaching veteran ranks if they ever get that far.
Want to know how to be a successful NB. I tell you. Get PLENTY of Magicka and light armor and preferably the Breton race.
Start with stealth attack and kill the first one quickly, CC the second one and spam the third one to death with mostly strife . Once the third one is dead you got enough stamina, health and magicka to neatly do in the CC'd one, however, a fourth one will kill yer because your magicka is gone. Of course once you got the ultimate up to go it gets easier and you use that one.
Yes it sounds funny... but my most successful weapon is plenty of Magicka and spamming Strife. Works every time.
Appart from that: Every class ought to have a combat breaking escape skill, not only the Sorc.
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