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If devs love standardize buffs maaaaaaaaaybe should look at dk's standart?
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Seriously we all know the reason why eso's golden child is main damage dealer in "pro" raids.
C'mon make it major berserk too, or better major slayer lets other classes play too)
But ofc it s easier to take away unique nb's buff which hits only pve, where nbs are welcomed in high end content due their cleave (lol) and top tier solo target damage (no).
C'mon make it major berserk too, or better major slayer lets other classes play too)
But ofc it s easier to take away unique nb's buff which hits only pve, where nbs are welcomed in high end content due their cleave (lol) and top tier solo target damage (no).
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✭✭✭Yeah, lets compare a buff from spammable to a buff from ultimate.
Btw what about NBs 20% unnamed buff on ultimate?
DKs have been the top DDs in trials for a year and a half now. NBs have been irrelevant as DDs, even with 20% unique from the low-cost incap and 10% unique from CW. Something's not right here
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✭Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.0 -
Zastrix✭✭✭✭✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Yeah, lets compare a buff from spammable to a buff from ultimate.
Btw what about NBs 20% unnamed buff on ultimate?
DKs have been the top DDs in trials for a year and a half now. NBs have been irrelevant as DDs, even with 20% unique from the low-cost incap and 10% unique from CW. Something's not right here
Not unique anymore...110-114k Stage 4 Vamprie Magblade u39
Aldmeri Dominion did nothing wrong in Shadowfen.2 -
emilyhyoyeon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.
It wasn't always DK as top tier DD choice though. Again, this started about a year and a half ago.IGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller & ghost hunter
main TES character: Tullanisse Starborne, altmer battlemage & ayleid researcher0 -
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✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.
It wasn't always DK as top tier DD choice though. Again, this started about a year and a half ago.
Yeah, after DK stopped being the dead class being 20k behind in DPS. After that the groups were like 5-6 DK and 2-3 Necro. Later we got sets with major vuln and trials groups changed to 8x DK.
I dont think there was a time where any other class dominated new trials. AS being the only diffrence where NB/Sorc dominated.2 -
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✭✭✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.
It wasn't always DK as top tier DD choice though. Again, this started about a year and a half ago.
Yeah, after DK stopped being the dead class being 20k behind in DPS. After that the groups were like 5-6 DK and 2-3 Necro. Later we got sets with major vuln and trials groups changed to 8x DK.
I dont think there was a time where any other class dominated new trials. AS being the only diffrence where NB/Sorc dominated.
So class balance does play a huge part here then.
There's two reasons why NB is pretty much irrelevant in endgame content
1: lower damage
2: no unique group utility*
*other than minor savagery but, you know, hybridization, and they never reworked the class buffsEdited by emilyhyoyeon on July 25, 2023 3:22PMIGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller & ghost hunter
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✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.
It wasn't always DK as top tier DD choice though. Again, this started about a year and a half ago.
Yeah, after DK stopped being the dead class being 20k behind in DPS. After that the groups were like 5-6 DK and 2-3 Necro. Later we got sets with major vuln and trials groups changed to 8x DK.
I dont think there was a time where any other class dominated new trials. AS being the only diffrence where NB/Sorc dominated.
So class balance does play a huge part here then.
There's two reasons why NB is pretty much irrelevant in endgame content
1: lower damage
2: no unique group utility*
*other than minor savagery but, you know, hybridization, and they never reworked the class buffs
Not in that way. Like if NB would dominate SE that would mean that we have 4 dead classes. In other words DK, Arcanist, Necro, Warden. All those classes have some kind of aoe damage and if a single target class (NB, Sorc) is outperforming them in a trial with a lot of adds then... Well it would be wierd at least.
The same can be said about AS trial where aoe damage isn't rly important. It would be wierd if NB would be outperformed by DK or Necro.
The class balance isn't perfect but the reason we dont see classes like NB and Sorc in trials is because new trials are all about aoe damage which those classes dont have. So no matter how much u nerf DK and other classes, NB wont be a pick for those trials until other classes are just dead.
So if u want to see NB/Sorc in trials u need to create a trial where u dont have many adds, just like AS.
Group utility is well... Almost every class is lacking it as this point. Some classes more than others but every class has this problem.0 -
emilyhyoyeon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.
It wasn't always DK as top tier DD choice though. Again, this started about a year and a half ago.
Yeah, after DK stopped being the dead class being 20k behind in DPS. After that the groups were like 5-6 DK and 2-3 Necro. Later we got sets with major vuln and trials groups changed to 8x DK.
I dont think there was a time where any other class dominated new trials. AS being the only diffrence where NB/Sorc dominated.
So class balance does play a huge part here then.
There's two reasons why NB is pretty much irrelevant in endgame content
1: lower damage
2: no unique group utility*
*other than minor savagery but, you know, hybridization, and they never reworked the class buffs
Not in that way. Like if NB would dominate SE that would mean that we have 4 dead classes. In other words DK, Arcanist, Necro, Warden. All those classes have some kind of aoe damage and if a single target class (NB, Sorc) is outperforming them in a trial with a lot of adds then... Well it would be wierd at least.
The same can be said about AS trial where aoe damage isn't rly important. It would be wierd if NB would be outperformed by DK or Necro.
The class balance isn't perfect but the reason we dont see classes like NB and Sorc in trials is because new trials are all about aoe damage which those classes dont have. So no matter how much u nerf DK and other classes, NB wont be a pick for those trials until other classes are just dead.
So if u want to see NB/Sorc in trials u need to create a trial where u dont have many adds, just like AS.
Group utility is well... Almost every class is lacking it as this point. Some classes more than others but every class has this problem.
yeah check esologs. It's not exclusive to new trials. This is the third time I'm saying now that the meta has been this way for the past year and a half.IGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller & ghost hunter
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✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.
It wasn't always DK as top tier DD choice though. Again, this started about a year and a half ago.
Yeah, after DK stopped being the dead class being 20k behind in DPS. After that the groups were like 5-6 DK and 2-3 Necro. Later we got sets with major vuln and trials groups changed to 8x DK.
I dont think there was a time where any other class dominated new trials. AS being the only diffrence where NB/Sorc dominated.
So class balance does play a huge part here then.
There's two reasons why NB is pretty much irrelevant in endgame content
1: lower damage
2: no unique group utility*
*other than minor savagery but, you know, hybridization, and they never reworked the class buffs
Not in that way. Like if NB would dominate SE that would mean that we have 4 dead classes. In other words DK, Arcanist, Necro, Warden. All those classes have some kind of aoe damage and if a single target class (NB, Sorc) is outperforming them in a trial with a lot of adds then... Well it would be wierd at least.
The same can be said about AS trial where aoe damage isn't rly important. It would be wierd if NB would be outperformed by DK or Necro.
The class balance isn't perfect but the reason we dont see classes like NB and Sorc in trials is because new trials are all about aoe damage which those classes dont have. So no matter how much u nerf DK and other classes, NB wont be a pick for those trials until other classes are just dead.
So if u want to see NB/Sorc in trials u need to create a trial where u dont have many adds, just like AS.
Group utility is well... Almost every class is lacking it as this point. Some classes more than others but every class has this problem.
yeah check esologs. It's not exclusive to new trials. This is the third time I'm saying now that the meta has been this way for the past year and a half.
And i say for third time that all those trials are the same. Just because they are X years old doesnt change the fact that there is army of adds and u need AoE damage that NB doesnt have. Why in the world SINGLE TARGET CLASS should be better than AOE CLASS in that scenario? Why?
We had Necro Meta, now we have DK meta and even if we nerf DK we will be just back to Necro Meta again. Because trials will still be all about AoE damage which again, NB doesnt have. Do we really have to nerf DK, Necro, Warden, Arcanist and Templar so a NB can dominate a adds heavy trials? And there is big chance that Necro will be back into trials because of ult buff in U39.
And i just went and checked SE. In top 100 there is 25 DK DDs, 14 Templar DDs. Its probably the least dominated trial in a long time. And its kinda nice to see templars. I still remember only DKs in Rockgrove for few pages.
At the same time in AS. 1 DK DD. ONE. Lets nerf every other class because DK isnt good in here. Just as it should be as this isnt a good trial for that class...0 -
emilyhyoyeon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.
It wasn't always DK as top tier DD choice though. Again, this started about a year and a half ago.
Yeah, after DK stopped being the dead class being 20k behind in DPS. After that the groups were like 5-6 DK and 2-3 Necro. Later we got sets with major vuln and trials groups changed to 8x DK.
I dont think there was a time where any other class dominated new trials. AS being the only diffrence where NB/Sorc dominated.
So class balance does play a huge part here then.
There's two reasons why NB is pretty much irrelevant in endgame content
1: lower damage
2: no unique group utility*
*other than minor savagery but, you know, hybridization, and they never reworked the class buffs
Not in that way. Like if NB would dominate SE that would mean that we have 4 dead classes. In other words DK, Arcanist, Necro, Warden. All those classes have some kind of aoe damage and if a single target class (NB, Sorc) is outperforming them in a trial with a lot of adds then... Well it would be wierd at least.
The same can be said about AS trial where aoe damage isn't rly important. It would be wierd if NB would be outperformed by DK or Necro.
The class balance isn't perfect but the reason we dont see classes like NB and Sorc in trials is because new trials are all about aoe damage which those classes dont have. So no matter how much u nerf DK and other classes, NB wont be a pick for those trials until other classes are just dead.
So if u want to see NB/Sorc in trials u need to create a trial where u dont have many adds, just like AS.
Group utility is well... Almost every class is lacking it as this point. Some classes more than others but every class has this problem.
yeah check esologs. It's not exclusive to new trials. This is the third time I'm saying now that the meta has been this way for the past year and a half.
And i say for third time that all those trials are the same. Just because they are X years old doesnt change the fact that there is army of adds and u need AoE damage that NB doesnt have. Why in the world SINGLE TARGET CLASS should be better than AOE CLASS in that scenario? Why?
We had Necro Meta, now we have DK meta and even if we nerf DK we will be just back to Necro Meta again. Because trials will still be all about AoE damage which again, NB doesnt have. Do we really have to nerf DK, Necro, Warden, Arcanist and Templar so a NB can dominate a adds heavy trials? And there is big chance that Necro will be back into trials because of ult buff in U39.
And i just went and checked SE. In top 100 there is 25 DK DDs, 14 Templar DDs. Its probably the least dominated trial in a long time. And its kinda nice to see templars. I still remember only DKs in Rockgrove for few pages.
At the same time in AS. 1 DK DD. ONE. Lets nerf every other class because DK isnt good in here. Just as it should be as this isnt a good trial for that class...
It's not about trials. DK DD hasn't always been top tier. I'm not sure what you're not getting.IGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller & ghost hunter
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✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.
It wasn't always DK as top tier DD choice though. Again, this started about a year and a half ago.
Yeah, after DK stopped being the dead class being 20k behind in DPS. After that the groups were like 5-6 DK and 2-3 Necro. Later we got sets with major vuln and trials groups changed to 8x DK.
I dont think there was a time where any other class dominated new trials. AS being the only diffrence where NB/Sorc dominated.
So class balance does play a huge part here then.
There's two reasons why NB is pretty much irrelevant in endgame content
1: lower damage
2: no unique group utility*
*other than minor savagery but, you know, hybridization, and they never reworked the class buffs
Not in that way. Like if NB would dominate SE that would mean that we have 4 dead classes. In other words DK, Arcanist, Necro, Warden. All those classes have some kind of aoe damage and if a single target class (NB, Sorc) is outperforming them in a trial with a lot of adds then... Well it would be wierd at least.
The same can be said about AS trial where aoe damage isn't rly important. It would be wierd if NB would be outperformed by DK or Necro.
The class balance isn't perfect but the reason we dont see classes like NB and Sorc in trials is because new trials are all about aoe damage which those classes dont have. So no matter how much u nerf DK and other classes, NB wont be a pick for those trials until other classes are just dead.
So if u want to see NB/Sorc in trials u need to create a trial where u dont have many adds, just like AS.
Group utility is well... Almost every class is lacking it as this point. Some classes more than others but every class has this problem.
yeah check esologs. It's not exclusive to new trials. This is the third time I'm saying now that the meta has been this way for the past year and a half.
And i say for third time that all those trials are the same. Just because they are X years old doesnt change the fact that there is army of adds and u need AoE damage that NB doesnt have. Why in the world SINGLE TARGET CLASS should be better than AOE CLASS in that scenario? Why?
We had Necro Meta, now we have DK meta and even if we nerf DK we will be just back to Necro Meta again. Because trials will still be all about AoE damage which again, NB doesnt have. Do we really have to nerf DK, Necro, Warden, Arcanist and Templar so a NB can dominate a adds heavy trials? And there is big chance that Necro will be back into trials because of ult buff in U39.
And i just went and checked SE. In top 100 there is 25 DK DDs, 14 Templar DDs. Its probably the least dominated trial in a long time. And its kinda nice to see templars. I still remember only DKs in Rockgrove for few pages.
At the same time in AS. 1 DK DD. ONE. Lets nerf every other class because DK isnt good in here. Just as it should be as this isnt a good trial for that class...
It's not about trials. DK DD hasn't always been top tier. I'm not sure what you're not getting.
Then about what because i dont know anymore? Your FIRST post is about how DK is the best DD in TRIALS and how NB is irrelevant (?) as DD.
Fourth post is about ESO Logs which are used mostly for trials...
And few times that DK wasnt always top tier DD and i explained how he was considered dead class and that it got into meta after buffs.
As i have no idea what do u expect me to say... NB isnt a weak class. Just because its not on esologs or whatever doesnt mean its irrelevant. NB is still second in terms of single target DPS, beating everyone except Sorc. And is one of the strongest classes in PvP right now too.
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✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Yeah lets compare how DK is dominating trials where cleave damage is the most important to a class that doesnt have aoe damage.
U are jumping on the wrong tree. Its not the problem with classes. Its problem with content. There is a trial where DK isn't strong. AS. NBs were dominating this trial before oakensorcs. So now the question. Why all the other trials are the same? Why do we have an army of adds on each boss? Why cant we get a trial where single target and good execution skill is more important?
Rly that's all u have to do to see less DKs on logs. But if the only thing we do is to nerf DK then we will be back to times where DK was the worst class in the game, staying 20k behind in DPS compared to other classes.
Is that what u want? To see how single target class is better than DK in a trial where aoe is the most important?
The only problem with classes is the lack of buffs they can offer. Even Necromancer become "useless" after we got Turning Tide and that monster set from Enclave.
So as long as trials are about aoe damage then DK will be the King or a dead class. There is no in between.
It wasn't always DK as top tier DD choice though. Again, this started about a year and a half ago.
Yeah, after DK stopped being the dead class being 20k behind in DPS. After that the groups were like 5-6 DK and 2-3 Necro. Later we got sets with major vuln and trials groups changed to 8x DK.
I dont think there was a time where any other class dominated new trials. AS being the only diffrence where NB/Sorc dominated.
So class balance does play a huge part here then.
There's two reasons why NB is pretty much irrelevant in endgame content
1: lower damage
2: no unique group utility*
*other than minor savagery but, you know, hybridization, and they never reworked the class buffs
Not in that way. Like if NB would dominate SE that would mean that we have 4 dead classes. In other words DK, Arcanist, Necro, Warden. All those classes have some kind of aoe damage and if a single target class (NB, Sorc) is outperforming them in a trial with a lot of adds then... Well it would be wierd at least.
The same can be said about AS trial where aoe damage isn't rly important. It would be wierd if NB would be outperformed by DK or Necro.
The class balance isn't perfect but the reason we dont see classes like NB and Sorc in trials is because new trials are all about aoe damage which those classes dont have. So no matter how much u nerf DK and other classes, NB wont be a pick for those trials until other classes are just dead.
So if u want to see NB/Sorc in trials u need to create a trial where u dont have many adds, just like AS.
Group utility is well... Almost every class is lacking it as this point. Some classes more than others but every class has this problem.
yeah check esologs. It's not exclusive to new trials. This is the third time I'm saying now that the meta has been this way for the past year and a half.
And i say for third time that all those trials are the same. Just because they are X years old doesnt change the fact that there is army of adds and u need AoE damage that NB doesnt have. Why in the world SINGLE TARGET CLASS should be better than AOE CLASS in that scenario? Why?
We had Necro Meta, now we have DK meta and even if we nerf DK we will be just back to Necro Meta again. Because trials will still be all about AoE damage which again, NB doesnt have. Do we really have to nerf DK, Necro, Warden, Arcanist and Templar so a NB can dominate a adds heavy trials? And there is big chance that Necro will be back into trials because of ult buff in U39.
And i just went and checked SE. In top 100 there is 25 DK DDs, 14 Templar DDs. Its probably the least dominated trial in a long time. And its kinda nice to see templars. I still remember only DKs in Rockgrove for few pages.
At the same time in AS. 1 DK DD. ONE. Lets nerf every other class because DK isnt good in here. Just as it should be as this isnt a good trial for that class...
It's not about trials. DK DD hasn't always been top tier. I'm not sure what you're not getting.
Then about what because i dont know anymore? Your FIRST post is about how DK is the best DD in TRIALS and how NB is irrelevant (?) as DD.
Fourth post is about ESO Logs which are used mostly for trials...
And few times that DK wasnt always top tier DD and i explained how he was considered dead class and that it got into meta after buffs.
As i have no idea what do u expect me to say... NB isnt a weak class. Just because its not on esologs or whatever doesnt mean its irrelevant. NB is still second in terms of single target DPS, beating everyone except Sorc. And is one of the strongest classes in PvP right now too.
Anyway, have fun.
Your opinion is wrong.
PvE NB DPS is currently the lowest.
DK is the strongest in PvP. Anything else is garbage.2
