Class Sets

ESO_Nightingale · July 2023

I wonder what these'll be like? I play WoW a lot and a lot of the class sets have synergy between skills and passives so i hope it'd act like that.

personally for me, i'd hope one of the warden ones has synergy between scorch and winter's embrace skills or chilled to help bring scorch more into the frost warden playstyle more actively.

something like "when you apply the chilled status effect, you apply a stack of shatter up to (y) stacks, your scorch consumes the stacks to deal (z) frost damage per stack"

phaneub17_ESO · July 2023

There are two things I like out of them.

1. They not be Ability-Specific, the Templar set isn't focused on just Puncturing Strikes.
2. They make 3 sets per class based around their skill lines.

ESO_Nightingale · July 2023

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

There are two things I like out of them.

1. They not be Ability-Specific, the Templar set isn't focused on just Puncturing Strikes.
2. They make 3 sets per class based around their skill lines.

I think they should make 4 sets per class similarly to trial sets, 1 for magicka dps, 1 for stamina dps, 1 for healing and 1 for tanking. Some magicka and stamina playstyles differ a good bit, so having sets that cater towards specific playstyles would be fantastic.

mmtaniac · July 2023

Class sets would be nice. But hey should be crafted or from overland ,one at least from trials. If you overland Dragonknight you drop dragonknight set only , you need to be specific class to drop it or just option to change what will drop. Personally i would like to see Mythic weapons.

phaneub17_ESO · July 2023

Class sets are coming to the endless dungeon in Q4 so we're discussing them now.

mmtaniac · July 2023

I didn't know k.

StarOfElyon · July 2023

In before joke gets deleted.

ESO_Nightingale · July 2023

StarOfElyon wrote: »

In before joke gets deleted.

Lol that's definitely getting deleted

merpins · July 2023

In my mind, there are three possibilities for these class-specific sets:

1. The Good. It's a 5 piece set. In this way, these could be built around, and possibly actually be good. So long as we get multiple sets per class. We'd need a tanking set, a healing set, and a DPS set for each class to make it fair; it would kinda suck if templar got one healing set and that's it for Templar, as an example. It would also be a good idea to have their abilities be variable based on your higher stat, or alternatively two sets for each major resource when it comes to DPS. As you mentioned above, I know there's a lot of love for Magicka frost warden builds, but I'd personally be more happy with a bleed warden buff. So two sets per DPS, or a variable skill that changes based on your higher major stat. This goes for all 3 entries here; regardless of how these sets are on your gear, this would be how it should be.
2. The Bad. It's an ability-altering weapon set. Unless all skills they chose for these weapons are DOTs, ability-altering weapons would be bad because who is going to slot these over a monster helm or mythic? Although, if the buff to a spammable is strong enough it might warrant using these, but I can't imagine it being that strong. They'd probably be 50% dead sets and 50% situational.
3. The Ugly. They're mythic items. This is interesting since it would open up a ton of possibilities, but then again they'd definitely step on the toes of mythic items. It's unlikely that they go this route, but out of the three that I'm thinking are at all possibilities, they're the most interesting.

There's also the possibility for them to be 2-piece sets like Monster Helms, considering it was mentioned they'd be dropped by bosses, but I don't think that'll be the case. It's also possible they'll be 3 piece sets like the weapon+jewelry sets, but they haven't released new sets like this since the devs changed in 2017, so it's also not likely.

FrancisCrawford · July 2023

Of the obvious options, the one that would likely cause the fewest problems would be:

Tanking
Healing
Light armor DPS
Medium armor DPS

(As I understand it, PvPers commonly use one DPS set and one set with a different kind of focus, so they should be covered too.)

In particular:

Necro -- that seems fine
Dragonknight -- that seems fine
Templar -- that seems fine
Warden -- that probably pigeonholes magdens further into frost -- HA builds excepted -- but this is happening anyway
Nightblade -- that seems fine, as new stealth sets aren't needed anyway

I haven't a clue about Arcanist, not having bought Necrom yet.

That leaves sorcerer. The tanking and healing parts would again be fine. On the DPS side, my concern is that there really are 4 sorcerer DPS paradigms:

HA Oakensorc (more important to sorcerer than to other classes)
Pet-heavy magicka DPS
Pet-light magicka DPS (currently not in a good state)
Pet-light stamina DPS (mainly a PvP thing, as I understand it)

FrancisCrawford · July 2023

And by the way -- I'm not sure that standard 5-piece sets are the way to go. Giving interesting bonuses for fewer than 5 pieces might create options that mix better with mythic items and monster sets, two categories in which ZoS keeps inventing more stuff, and with ability-altering weapons as well.

ESO_Nightingale · July 2023

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

And by the way -- I'm not sure that standard 5-piece sets are the way to go. Giving interesting bonuses for fewer than 5 pieces might create options that mix better with mythic items and monster sets, two categories in which ZoS keeps inventing more stuff, and with ability-altering weapons as well.

I think 2 or 3 piece bonuses are the way to go.

phaneub17_ESO · July 2023

Monster Sets would probably work best actually, that way you couldn't combine multiple class sets together while still having multiple sets to collect in all weights. Most of my hybrid and stamina characters use mixed ones for double and triple stats.

MindOfTheSwarm · July 2023

Weapon Mythic:

Legacy of the Snow Elves:

Frost Destruction Staff:

Increases the chance to apply Chilled by 100%. Increases the damage of Chilled by 50%. Increases the damage and duration of Frost damage over time effects by 50%.

Broken? 😂

Necrotech_Master · July 2023

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Monster Sets would probably work best actually, that way you couldn't combine multiple class sets together while still having multiple sets to collect in all weights. Most of my hybrid and stamina characters use mixed ones for double and triple stats.

i would actually like to see 2pc sets which are not only head + shoulder lol, such as chest and gloves for example

SoraJP · July 2023

I would also like these to be 2 or 3 piece sets. Or even another 1 piece set option that could be in addition to the mythics. There are very few sets that can be used to fill in the gaps that having a mythic equipped causes. Jewelry sets like Agility from IC come to mind.

BasP · July 2023

I'm also liking the idea of 2 piece, 1 piece or maybe 3 piece sets myself. Having them consist of less than 5 pieces might open up more build possibilities, which will be interesting to play around with.

Not that I see it happening, but they could consist of 4 pieces too so that you could for example use a Mythic item, one 5 piece set, a Class Set and two Arena Weapons. I'd prefer 2 pieces though.

In any event, I'm wondering whether the Class Sets will be similar to the Ability Altering Weapons and buff one specific staple skill for each class, or if they will give another more generic buff that suits the class instead. Like would a Warden's DPS set effect Scorch in some way? Or would it simply increase Frost and Bleed damage by X% for each Warden ability slotted? Or will ZOS come up with really unique bonuses that play into the theme of each class? It'll be interesting for sure.

ESO_Nightingale · July 2023

BasP wrote: »

I'm also liking the idea of 2 piece, 1 piece or maybe 3 piece sets myself. Having them consist of less than 5 pieces might open up more build possibilities, which will be interesting to play around with.

Not that I see it happening, but they could consist of 4 pieces too so that you could for example use a Mythic item, one 5 piece set, a Class Set and two Arena Weapons. I'd prefer 2 pieces though.

In any event, I'm wondering whether the Class Sets will be similar to the Ability Altering Weapons and buff one specific staple skill for each class, or if they will give another more generic buff that suits the class instead. Like would a Warden's DPS set effect Scorch in some way? Or would it simply increase Frost and Bleed damage by X% for each Warden ability slotted? Or will ZOS come up with really unique bonuses that play into the theme of each class? It'll be interesting for sure.

I hope they are as good as WoW's ones.

DrNukenstein · July 2023

Totally going to be 3 piece sets. Jewels and Weaps. We will be encouraged to gold out a piece of jewelry. I wouldn't be surprised if they are 4 piece jewels and weaps to get us to gold out 2 jewels.

Turtle_Bot · July 2023

The idea is interesting, I'm just not confident on the implementation of it (based on history of implementing new set ideas).

I'd love to see sets similar to the arena weapons but I can also see those being really hard to balance.

Tyrant_Tim · July 2023

Just imagine how much stronger Oakensoul would be if they released the sets as 2-piece ones that alter a specific ability.

You would see it’s healthy return to form in PvP.

FriedEggSandwich · July 2023

My fear is that all sorc set bonuses will start with the condition, "With a pet active..", or otherwise only boost pets. But assuming they give non-pet sorc some love I'm pretty excited by this.

OtarTheMad · July 2023

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Weapon Mythic:

Legacy of the Snow Elves:

Frost Destruction Staff:

Increases the chance to apply Chilled by 100%. Increases the damage of Chilled by 50%. Increases the damage and duration of Frost damage over time effects by 50%.

Broken? 😂

It's a weapon about Snow Elves I'm in lol.

EDIT- The class sets thing really interests me. I hope it is a 3 pc set too.

ESO_Nightingale · July 2023

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Weapon Mythic:

Legacy of the Snow Elves:

Frost Destruction Staff:

Increases the chance to apply Chilled by 100%. Increases the damage of Chilled by 50%. Increases the damage and duration of Frost damage over time effects by 50%.

Broken? 😂

The increased chilled application rate is really good if it's able to be enough to compensate for swapping charged for precise, if not, then it's not terrible but i'd definitely take it. increased chilled damage is incredibly strong though and damage and duration bonuses of frost damage effects is insanely strong lol. increased duration means less time resetting dots and more time spamming frost reach, that'd probably make a fairly boring rotation, though i won't lie when i say increased duration and damage for icy rage, iceheart, whorl of the depths, and unstable wall of frost would be pretty fantastic.

just the duration alone would mean

Frost Reach (DoT)= 20>30s
Arctic Blast = 20>30s
Winter's revenge= 12>18s
Unstable Wall of Frost= 10>15s
Icy Rage= 7>10.5s
Northern Storm= 8>12s
Icy Comet (AoE DoT)= 13>19.5s
Iceheart= 6>9s
Whorl of the Depths (St DoT)= 8>12s
Whorl of the Depths (AOE DoT)= 6>9s
Icy Conjuror= 10>15s

among other frosty damage over time effects

adriant1978 · July 2023

Stupid question or at least I hope it's a stupid question, but these are going to be new sets, right?

Surely they are not going to retroactively decide that only Sorcs can wear Julianos or something hideous like that.

MudcrabAttack · July 2023

My concern is the track record of new sets, they’re always hit or miss. I can picture 1-2 classes getting a big buff to something and the rest get bland sets

Dragonredux · July 2023

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

There are two things I like out of them.

1. They not be Ability-Specific, the Templar set isn't focused on just Puncturing Strikes.
2. They make 3 sets per class based around their skill lines.

I think they should make 4 sets per class similarly to trial sets, 1 for magicka dps, 1 for stamina dps, 1 for healing and 1 for tanking. Some magicka and stamina playstyles differ a good bit, so having sets that cater towards specific playstyles would be fantastic.

Probably wouldn't be so bad especially with the curation system now. Assuming it will be just armor pieces you would have 196 unique drops (7 slots * 4 types * 7 classes). Most probably won't notice if the endless dungeon is fun enough. Only question now would be if they want to make a Perfected version of these class sets. I hope they don't personally really don't see the point.

Considering they already laid out the ground work for sets such as Druid's Braid and Shattered Fate, they could follow a similar design philosophy.

XSTRONG · July 2023

I dont have very high thoughts of these class sets since they would have to be over powerd for people to use them and if they are to powerful we all know what will happen with the community.

Im pretty bored if they only add "new sets" to Endless dungeon, if thats the case im probably gonna play 20 mins and then think the content is useless.

Norith_Gilheart_Flail · July 2023

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with releasing new and class personalised sets as a part of new content.

Some might argue it's pay to win, but really - it's reasonable to assume that incentive to purchase newer content is justifiable. It's not a charity, afterall.

ESO_Nightingale · July 2023

Zavijah_Arventi wrote: »

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with releasing new and class personalised sets as a part of new content.

Some might argue it's pay to win, but really - it's reasonable to assume that incentive to purchase newer content is justifiable. It's not a charity, afterall.

Agreed. As long as it's not egregious, having strong new gear is good.