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Lack of an Auction House isn't unique, it's annoying
SunfireKnight86
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Having to go to every zone and spam something to sell if is soooo 1997. Games evolved into what they are for a reason.
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PharmaChief✭✭✭find a few trading guilds with 500 ppl each and problem solved. I sell items in guild stores everyday and i never use chatpanel13 -
Osi✭✭✭You don't have to spam anything. The only things worth selling anyway are highly crafted items, and even then you are better off finding a guild to sell it in.
Having a global auction house would create more of an impact on the economy from bots, who would flood the market with resources and cause the price to drop.5 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭I'm in a few. That isn't solving the problem. Trading Guilds are just small scale auction houses. Why make this decision? It's more convenient in every sense of the word to have a global or even regional AH. I just don't understand the logic behind the decision. Did someone see it in literally every other MMO and say, "That looks like a terrible idea."4
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭The "bots would ruin the economy" argument doesn't work. There are people who sit in Stonefalls and sell Dreugh Wax at 1.5k per. Not having an AH just means they have to spam it in /zone too.5
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Making decisions based on people who abuse the game and break the ToS is a terrible idea. It's like DRM- All it does is punish people who just want to play.3
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Milanna✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »The "bots would ruin the economy" argument doesn't work. There are people who sit in Stonefalls and sell Dreugh Wax at 1.5k per. Not having an AH just means they have to spam it in /zone too.
I´m no expert on bots or the mechanics involved in running them, but I would assume that the concept of sitting around selling items in chat kind of makes the botter have to put a lot of manual effort in. Kind of ruins the whole bot-concept, doesn´t it?EU-server
Mila the True (Aldmeri Dominion)
Milanna the Cold-hearted (Aldmeri Dominion)
Raphael the Cunning (Ebonheart Pact)
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Cassius Tanicius (Daggerfall Covenant)
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Auric_ESO✭✭✭✭So you think they didn't put in an ah is because they wanted to be unique and retro? Have you read any of the threads about this or did you just hear in zone chat that that was the reason"The purpose of training is to tighten up the slack, toughen the body, and polish the spirit." Morihei Ueshiba0 -
SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭Botters had to do the same with AH in games like WoW. They get all the mats, give it to one toon, decon it all for the rare mats, sell the ingots/cloth, and have someone else put it up on AH/or spam /zone.
People do run the bots in these games, despite what some people might say. Unless the internet is go sentient, in which case I TOLD YOU SO!
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scruffycavetroll✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Having to go to every zone and spam something to sell if is soooo 1997. Games evolved into what they are for a reason.
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SunfireKnight86✭✭✭✭I can't image why they did it. Either it was to be different or they did it to combat gold sellers- Either way all it does is inconvenience players who want to sell their *** like they do in every other MMO.
Having 5 500 people trading guilds just means I can sell to 2500 people. Out of what? Half a million? A million? Come on.2 -
SunfireKnight86 wrote: »The "bots would ruin the economy" argument doesn't work. There are people who sit in Stonefalls and sell Dreugh Wax at 1.5k per. Not having an AH just means they have to spam it in /zone too.
If not having an AH had any effect on the number of bots and gold selling, it would be acceptable. But so far, in my experience, there are way more bots and spam in this game than any other mmo I've ever played.3 -
Milanna✭✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Botters had to do the same with AH in games like WoW. They get all the mats, give it to one toon, decon it all for the rare mats, sell the ingots/cloth, and have someone else put it up on AH/or spam /zone.
People do run the bots in these games, despite what some people might say. Unless the internet is go sentient, in which case I TOLD YOU SO!
Putting items up for auction would probably be automatic? Selling them in chat is not. I think that is one argument against a global AH.EU-server
Mila the True (Aldmeri Dominion)
Milanna the Cold-hearted (Aldmeri Dominion)
Raphael the Cunning (Ebonheart Pact)
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Cassius Tanicius (Daggerfall Covenant)
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PharmaChief✭✭✭Personally i like the idea of guild stores, it just needs some more work. I think they intend to give the ability to guilds to create kiosks that can sell stuff to outsiders. (i remember they said that in their article "things to come").3
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So a market of 2,500 is better than one of many hundreds of thousands as in the GW2 model (since that game uses 'mega-server' type architecture)?PharmaChief wrote: »find a few trading guilds with 500 ppl each and problem solved. I sell items in guild stores everyday and i never use chatpanel
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scruffycavetroll✭✭✭PharmaChief wrote: »Personally i like the idea of guild stores, it just needs some more work. I think they intend to give the ability to guilds to create kiosks that can sell stuff to outsiders. (i remember they said that in their article "things to come").
Solution is very simple:
1- Keep guild stores.
2- Create public auction house...keep it at the banker, add another option there for 'public auctions'
3- seller has 3 options when placing an item in the guild store...
A- guild only - small AH cut
B- public only - slightly higher than guild only
C- both - higher than A & B
4- Faction specific...an Aldermari Dominion character selling items, would not appear to Pact, or the other faction characters, only other AD toons.
why limit myself to selling an item to 2500 people (500 per guild x 5 max) when a public auction house reaches 10000+? why spend significant time spamming chat, when an AH does the work for you...giving you time to grind / craft more items? Why hope and pray that someone in a guild put something up you need, when a larger population significantly increases those odds?
current system is inefficient and ineffective at carrying an economy, and that road map regarding what they had planned was vague. IF that's the plan, to create a kiosk..it basically amounts to this.
Edited by scruffycavetroll on May 6, 2014 2:07PM3 -
Swampster✭✭✭The current system is just laughbly poor! It reminds me of the bad old days of FFXIV v1
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Swampess - DragonKnight - Eboheart Pact - Lowbie Faceroller2 -
It's funny, even without an AH, there are more bots in this game than any other mmo I've ever played.6
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Osi✭✭✭An inefficient economy is better than one ruled by bots flooding an auction house at the lowest price, because they don't care about their bottom line in the game. All they care about is getting gold to sell to someone outside the game, and they can just add more bots if the price of resources falls.
I would rather them have to be in zone chat to try and sell everything and it take them hours upon hours to do so. Also it makes them, either each account individually or the central merchant account everything is funneled to to sell, exposed and more likely to be caught.3 -
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✭✭SunfireKnight86 wrote: »Having to go to every zone and spam something to sell if is soooo 1997. Games evolved into what they are for a reason.
/agree
/awesome
/insightful
/yes!
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MollocH✭✭ignoroticb14_ESO wrote: »It's funny, even without an AH, there are more bots in this game than any other mmo I've ever played.
You clearly didn't play any big mmo ....
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Kililin✭✭✭✭I don't like AH's
They are not necessary for a working economy.
Star Wars Galaxies for an example.
thats not to defend guildstores in their current implementation.2 -
ignoroticb14_ESO wrote: »It's funny, even without an AH, there are more bots in this game than any other mmo I've ever played.
You clearly didn't play any big mmo ....
Yeah...wrong. I've played most big name MMOs since SWG. I've never seen an mmo where there are multiple 10 character bots trains in a zone. Last night in the rift I personally watched something like 50 bots farm the moonless walk. No, I'm not exaggerating. It was impossible to count how many because they run in a pack, but there were at least 4 trains of 10+ bots, and that was only in the small area I was questing.Edited by ignoroticb14_ESO on May 6, 2014 2:03PM4 -
scruffycavetroll✭✭✭ignoroticb14_ESO wrote: »It's funny, even without an AH, there are more bots in this game than any other mmo I've ever played.
You clearly didn't play any big mmo ....
i'm sure he's never played WoW
troll right next time if you're gonna try.1 -
Dita✭✭✭I don't like AH's
They are not necessary for a working economy.
Star Wars Galaxies for an example.
thats not to defend guildstores in their current implementation.
You saying SWG didn't have a market in every city on every planet, even at star ports ?! Or traders forum ? What game have you been playing ?Edited by Dita on May 6, 2014 2:05PM"Begun the Bot Wars has"1 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭An auction house is a place where all the games treasures are all for sale. No thx.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Kililin✭✭✭✭scruffycavetroll wrote: »ignoroticb14_ESO wrote: »It's funny, even without an AH, there are more bots in this game than any other mmo I've ever played.
You clearly didn't play any big mmo ....
i'm sure he's never played WoW
troll right next time if you're gonna try.
It was not trolling i believe rather a coming out as being one of the most delusioned fanboys.
The masses of bots are beyond ridiculous.
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scruffycavetroll✭✭✭scruffycavetroll wrote: »ignoroticb14_ESO wrote: »It's funny, even without an AH, there are more bots in this game than any other mmo I've ever played.
You clearly didn't play any big mmo ....
i'm sure he's never played WoW
troll right next time if you're gonna try.
It was not trolling i believe rather a coming out as being one of the most delusioned fanboys.
The masses of bots are beyond ridiculous.
sounds like one in the same : D
bots are in every game, and no, i haven't played every MMO ever made, but i'm sure they're there, and out of the ones I've played, this is the first time i've ever seen screen shots of bots clumped together like a circle jerk.
I don't want to join a guild because i'm tired of seeing...5 billion members...ok sign me up...4 people online, guild mostly alts.
Edited by scruffycavetroll on May 6, 2014 2:10PM0