What if it goes free to play?.

dumb idea imo.

dwaightb16_ESO wrote: »

dumb idea imo.

I do love a well-reasoned argument for or against something .. care to try to think of one?

Treluk wrote: »

So what are you looking to pay for? 10.000 bucks?

IIRC Turbine offered Lifetime for $199 when the game released in '07 and repeated it a couple of years later. Given the monthly fee it paid for itself in about 15 months or less.

While the game went F2P some years ago I haven't given Turbine a single penny since 2011 for either of my accounts.

But Warner Brothers has a lot more money than Zenimax, so their rates for Lotro were reasonable.

It'd be bloody frightening to hear a lifetime membership price from Zenimax on this game.

Not that they'd ever do it.

But still. Frightening.

Jarnhand wrote: »

One big payment, lifetime membership. No more monthly pay, can play ESO as long as it excists. This also means if it ever goes F2P (God forbid), we also get all 'the whole deal' without paying micro transactions.

Basicly same as with LOTRO, payed one big sum to begin with, when it went F2P we got all the content. Get the whole deal, except for extra features like cosmetics/vault space etc (which can be also be purchased with ingame bonus points we earn every month, also similar in The Secret World).

DO NOT under any circumstances make a life time membership Zenimax, pls just dont. It will only mean that after 1 year or so the one who bought lifetime wont have to pay anymore for the coming years and you will loose ALOT of money because you wont make the money back that they normally needed to pay everymonth. You will loose alot of money Zenimax if you ever decide bringing this is.

The reason why WoW has come so far and still is running is because of the normal subscriptions 1 month / 3 / 6 or 1 year. after that they just have to pay again for a new subscription. If they would have ever started the lifetime sub they would have been f2p a long time ago and died.

To the OP here, you say f2p (god forbid) you are lying. With life time subscriptions the game will become f2p for sure in 1 year because zenimax will get a one time boost in money and after that nothing anymore because ppl with a life sub doesnt have to pay anymore.

And about LOTRO, it became f2p because they made the same mistake with the lifetime subscription and same goes for RIFT. As soon as a MMO begins with a lifetime subscription they all get a one time money boost and after 6months or 1 year maybe the money is gone and wont get more from the customers because they made the game f2p for themselfs. Wich brings me back again to the OP, again you said F2P (God forbid). But you are trying to make the game f2p for yourself atleast after 1 year of payment.

So ZOS pls do not even think about this option because you will run out of money sooner then you think for elder scrolls online and the game will die down because there wont be money left to play the TESO / ZOS employees or expansions etc...atleast after a 6months after that subscription. So pls just dont I dont want this game to die down only because ppl want TESO f2p wich is just plain stupid.

Just have the 1 / 3/ 6 and 1 year sub. with the 1 year 1 or 2 months free or something you know. Dont listen to the life time subs, check history of MMO's and youll see that the MMO's that died down or went F2P was because of the lifetime subs. Boost of cash then nothing, nothing at all...

i played a game called mortal online that did this but it cost like 1000 bucks so you had to play for nearly 7 years before you gain anything from it.

theinsaneb16_ESO wrote: »

Dont listen to the life time subs, check history of MMO's and youll see that the MMO's that died down or went F2P was because of the lifetime subs. Boost of cash then nothing, nothing at all...

At least your user name does you justice. Lifetime subs make up a tiny, tiny fraction of any MMO's user base. The Old Republic never even offered a lifetime sub, yet it went F2P before the first major content patch.

The vast majority of players take 1-3 month deals and resubscribe based on interest. Games go F2P because these people stop resubscribing, not because everybody buys lifetime subs.

KerinKor wrote: »

Treluk wrote: »

So what are you looking to pay for? 10.000 bucks?

IIRC Turbine offered Lifetime for $199 when the game released in '07 and repeated it a couple of years later. Given the monthly fee it paid for itself in about 15 months or less.

While the game went F2P some years ago I haven't given Turbine a single penny since 2011 for either of my accounts.

Exactly why it's a bad idea. I have a Lotro lifetime which is the only reason I still occasionally go back and play, for every lifetime account holder that spends additional money in Lotro there's about 100 who never spend a penny and haven't done so for years.

I want ESO to go on many years, I'm convinced part of the reason Lotro went F2P was because so many bought lifetime accounts that a few years later they had hardly any income coming in. Lotros investment appears to have dropped to almost zero in the past couple of years, no new end game content, many lifetime players convinced it's in maintenance mode etc.

I hope zenimax never introduce lifetime and keep making enough money every month to keep investing heavily in the game.

Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »

theinsaneb16_ESO wrote: »

Dont listen to the life time subs, check history of MMO's and youll see that the MMO's that died down or went F2P was because of the lifetime subs. Boost of cash then nothing, nothing at all...

At least your user name does you justice. Lifetime subs make up a tiny, tiny fraction of any MMO's user base. The Old Republic never even offered a lifetime sub, yet it went F2P before the first major content patch.

The vast majority of players take 1-3 month deals and resubscribe based on interest. Games go F2P because these people stop resubscribing, not because everybody buys lifetime subs.

Yes but then again The Old Republic was a game that never should have been P2Play because the majority of the world / playerbase didnt like the game. So you cant compare that to the bigger MMO's that ran smoothly with p2play but went downhill when they implemented the lifetime subs.

Again it isnt smart and the most mmo's that used it went downhill then f2p then only had 2 servers left or something aka the games are still out there but they are so good as dead.

+ The Old Republic promised ultimate graphics with alot of details specially on facial strings. But when the game came out compared to what they promised it looked plain end empty not worth for the most computers. I am a fan of Star wars a huge fan but they crapped that game up to nothing then a pile of dust.

So you cant compare that game, it had a bad start with false promises and on top of that they tried the p2play wich they never should have done for that game.

And trying to offend me based on my user name to make a point proofs how far your thinking goes. What I tell you is based on facts.

If you have a MMO with lifetime subs they pay and after 6 months or a year the money stops coming in. If you have the 1 to 3 months subs it usually means ppl want to keep playing not stop playing like you say because why pay a 3 month sub if you have your doubts?

Life time subs is a downfall for many mmo's and if you think about it you know I am right. Pretend you are landlord and tell someone its so much per month. You get paid all the months that he lives there. But if you say if you pay me this amount of money you will be free of charge in a year and you as landlord have a house standing where someone lives in but he wont have to give you any money anymore untill the day he moves out when he chooses to. (because on contract you have stated 1 boost of money then no need to pay anymore)

Life time subs is just a bad idea and should not be implemented. 1 year subs is better for the company to give ppl the long activity not thinking of money for 1 year straight after they take this sub. That way they still get close to the amount of money compared normally per month, instead of lifetime and BAM no money from those customers anymore after some time

Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »

theinsaneb16_ESO wrote: »

Dont listen to the life time subs, check history of MMO's and youll see that the MMO's that died down or went F2P was because of the lifetime subs. Boost of cash then nothing, nothing at all...

At least your user name does you justice. Lifetime subs make up a tiny, tiny fraction of any MMO's user base.

Not sure of the numbers but the problems arise because those that do buy lifetime accounts tend to be the biggest fans of the game.

In Lotro about 8 out of 10 Tolkien fans I met in game had lifetime accounts, these are going to be the ones still playing a few years after release.

If TESO had a lifetime option, the same thing would happen, those like me that know we will be here for years, will buy it.

End result is the players most likely to keep supporting over the years through a sub based system save themselves a fortune with a lifetime account and long term it's the game that suffers.

Problem is that Zenimax have no obligation to you when the game sooner or later goes free to play. Even if you paid a lifetime sub.

I dont think TESO will go f2p anytime soon, And I hope it wont. EVER

Jarnhand wrote: »

One big payment, lifetime membership. No more monthly pay, can play ESO as long as it excists. This also means if it ever goes F2P (God forbid), we also get all 'the whole deal' without paying micro transactions.

What is it with people and wanting to make a huge one off payment??
People asked for this with Swtor too, even after it got F2P options. It just doesn't make sense, what if after six months you never play again, or after two years. All that money essentially wasted, WHY?????

Noooo please no lifetime sub. I feel it would hinder development
Of new content as they would not get any money after that one time.