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Sorcerer - the ultimate assassin now?
Should everyone who love to play assassin style re-roll to mage now?
Now when mist form speed is reduced, it is impossible to chase a mage. Before you at least had a small chance of reaching him, now you wont have that chance.
Mage in some way is a better stealth char now, you have your mage light that gives you huge radius of seeing hidden players. So all your reducing range passives of being detected in stealth are useless. Plus your mage light gives you crit bonus.
If you kill a person 1x1, you are going to stay detected for a long time and as a mage you can simply blink away and come back later.
And also look at the dual wield weapon skill tree, it has the most useless skills in the whole game.
Can you add a stamina based backstab or something?... Some CC maybe? Some buff? anything...???
Now when mist form speed is reduced, it is impossible to chase a mage. Before you at least had a small chance of reaching him, now you wont have that chance.
Mage in some way is a better stealth char now, you have your mage light that gives you huge radius of seeing hidden players. So all your reducing range passives of being detected in stealth are useless. Plus your mage light gives you crit bonus.
If you kill a person 1x1, you are going to stay detected for a long time and as a mage you can simply blink away and come back later.
And also look at the dual wield weapon skill tree, it has the most useless skills in the whole game.
Can you add a stamina based backstab or something?... Some CC maybe? Some buff? anything...???
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Mage in some way is a better stealth char now, you have your mage light that gives you huge radius of seeing hidden players. So all your reducing range passives of being detected in stealth are useless. Plus your mage light gives you crit bonus.
Unless they changed it, magelight effect is visible to enemies even while you are stealthed. So there is no point trying to be stealthy with it on.
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emailgosurwb17_ESO wrote: »
Mage in some way is a better stealth char now, you have your mage light that gives you huge radius of seeing hidden players. So all your reducing range passives of being detected in stealth are useless. Plus your mage light gives you crit bonus.
Unless they changed it, magelight effect is visible to enemies even while you are stealthed. So there is no point trying to be stealthy with it on.
You do not have to be stealthy with mage all the time, you can always break CC and blink away.
The point is that with a NB, you kill 1 and you die from 2nd and 3rd enemy. With mage you kill 1 and you blink away, come back and fight the rest and you can always blink away again.1 -
knaveofengland✭✭✭well every time there is a patch/update we will have these posts , in time every skill and race etc etc etc , will be balanced so to say play some thing else is complete waste of time . play because you enjoy it not because some thing has changed , the game makers have huge history of making brilliant games , game is new so there will be some teething problems , but to reroll is another planet zog moment2
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Hexi✭✭✭✭✭Umm... stop playing this game like it's WoW, because it's not.
The reason you suck at PvP is because you think that a NB must use medium armour and dualwield.10 -
Umm... stop playing this game like it's WoW, because it's not.
The reason you suck at PvP is because you think that a NB must use medium armour and dualwield.
Yes a good NB supposed to be good in Medium+dual wield.
My light armor is level 50 and destr staff on 50 too. And yes NB is much stronger in light+destr staff.
If not NB's, who have to use Dual Wield in this game right now??
And why do you think I suck at PvP, if you are playing robe + staff or abusing vamp ultimate as a DK, that does not make you a "pro" PvPer...
P.S. I never played WoW
Edited by emailgosurwb17_ESO on May 6, 2014 8:04AM1 -
Hexi✭✭✭✭✭emailgosurwb17_ESO wrote: »Umm... stop playing this game like it's WoW, because it's not.
The reason you suck at PvP is because you think that a NB must use medium armour and dualwield.
Yes a good NB supposed to be good in Medium+dual wield.
My light armor is level 50 and destr staff on 50 too. And yes NB is much stronger in light+destr staff.
If not NB's, who have to use Dual Wield in this game right now??
And why do you think I suck at PvP, if you are playing robe + staff or abusing vamp ultimate as a DK, that does not make you a "pro" PvPer...
P.S. I never played WoW
I play a Sorc in medium armour and a 2hander+bow. Chew on that, chum.
And, honestly, dualwield at the moment is so crap that I don't understand why anyone would use it, in any situation. The skills are so weak compared to 2 hander, for example.
Edited by Hexi on May 6, 2014 8:14AM2 -
emailgosurwb17_ESO wrote: »Umm... stop playing this game like it's WoW, because it's not.
The reason you suck at PvP is because you think that a NB must use medium armour and dualwield.
Yes a good NB supposed to be good in Medium+dual wield.
My light armor is level 50 and destr staff on 50 too. And yes NB is much stronger in light+destr staff.
If not NB's, who have to use Dual Wield in this game right now??
And why do you think I suck at PvP, if you are playing robe + staff or abusing vamp ultimate as a DK, that does not make you a "pro" PvPer...
P.S. I never played WoW
I play a Sorc in medium armour and a 2hander+bow. Chew on that, chum.
And, honestly, dualwield at the moment is so crap that I don't understand why anyone would use it, in any situation. The skills are so weak compared to 2 hander, for example.
Yeap, 2hander is ok, bow is ok too. Anything with 2hander or bow is good at the moment.
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Burrick✭I am a level 24 NB archer with silver bolts (as the majority of the enemy are vampires and am a rank 2 Tyro. (Have a VR2 Templar too)
Been in pvp for a few days only regularly, I have been in zergs, small groups and solo and getting more kills than deaths, I really can't see the problems with NB survival.
Kill, shadow cloak and go into regular hide, unless unlucky I get away maybe 70% of the time - i'll take those odds.
Loving it!
Regards
Orcness NevercleanEdited by Burrick on May 6, 2014 8:33AM0 -
Chirru✭✭✭✭emailgosurwb17_ESO wrote: »
And, honestly, dualwield at the moment is so crap that I don't understand why anyone would use it, in any situation. The skills are so weak compared to 2 hander, for example.
Yes you are right...at the moment. But dual wield looks cool and I like it, so I take the crap that comes along with it.0 -
Adernath✭✭✭✭✭I find that ambush from stealth quite strong.
And from a realistic point of view: Assassins wait until they are alone with their victim so that there are no witnesses (so they dont have to run away), and then finish it off quickly. This is in accordance with the game world of Tamriel.
Although I never had much problems with rogues in WoW, I am happy that we have a more realistic approach here.Edited by Adernath on May 6, 2014 8:26AM0 -
I am a level 24 NB archer with silver bolts (as the majority of the enemy are vampires and am a rank 2 Tyro. (Have a VR2 Templar too)
Been in pvp for a few days only regularly, I have been in zergs, small groups and solo and getting more kills than deaths, I really can't see the problems with NB survival.
Kill, shadow cloak and go into regular hide, unless unlucky I get away maybe 70% of the time - i'll take those odds.
Loving it!
NB+Bow is very good, not saying that it is weak or something.
I am talking about Melee NB.0 -
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DK's: "Nerf Templars."
Templars: "Nerf Nightblades."
Nightblades: "Nerf Sorcerers."
We have a game where you are supposed to be able to "play what you want, how you want", yet the players go around telling each other how a class is "supposed to be played."
Sometimes I think the community is its own worst enemy.
Mark my words, if the vocal forum majority had their way, this game would soon be little more than a cookie toss with one giant incredibly boring and homogenous cutter.14 -
I find that ambush from stealth quite strong.
And from a realistic point of view: Assassins wait until they are alone with their victim so that there are no witnesses (so they dont have to run away), and then finish it off quickly. This is in accordance with the game world of Tamriel.
Although I never had much problems with rogues in WoW, I am happy that we have a more realistic approach here.
Yea, but sometimes there are others in stealth or some random people passing by the same location.
In Tamriel you will always have to escape and mage now is #1 escape char.0 -
Burrick✭Ah my bad.
I tried it, didn't like it and a huge respect to the melee players out there who stick with it.
For me I like the added control I have with some space between me and my foe-more the better!
Regards
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I find that ambush from stealth quite strong.
And from a realistic point of view: Assassins wait until they are alone with their victim so that there are no witnesses (so they dont have to run away), and then finish it off quickly. This is in accordance with the game world of Tamriel.
Although I never had much problems with rogues in WoW, I am happy that we have a more realistic approach here.
Yea it is quite strong, but do you know that ambush bonus damage only works from Magicka based spells?..
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Burrick✭Not sure where you get that info but a heavy attack from stealth always does huge damage for me or am I confusing what you mean?
OrcnessEdited by Burrick on May 6, 2014 8:45AM0 -
Ohjinn✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Sorcerers: "Nerf DKs."
DK's: "Nerf Templars."
Templars: "Nerf Nightblades."
Nightblades: "Nerf Sorcerers."
We have a game where you are supposed to be able to "play what you want, how you want", yet the players go around telling each other how a class is "supposed to be played."
Sometimes I think the community is its own worst enemy.
Mark my words, if the vocal forum majority had their way, this game would soon be little more than a cookie toss with one giant incredibly boring and homogenous cutter.
Oh hell yes!
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Ah my bad.
I tried it, didn't like it and a huge respect to the melee players out there who stick with it.
For me I like the added control I have with some space between me and my foe-more the better!
Regards
Orcness Neverclean
I started at an archer, NB+Medium+Bow.. It was amazing in beta and it was amazing now. But I am somebody who cannot play such one button classes.
I know this game got only 5 skill bars, but I want to be able to apply some skill in order to win PvP.
As archer you only need to use mark, then spam poison arrow until your enemy comes close, then throw him back and keep clicking poison arrow.
Max your stamina to be able to spam poison arrow and have more dmg.
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Burrick✭That's not really the case is it in reality?
A decent player than runs with immovable and a gap closer and your finished.
Oh and I only use poison arrow until the dot runs out and reapply, I have been testing the undaunted web skill for snare and spider synergy when with a friend, it's been fun for sure.
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Not sure where you get that info but a heavy attack from stealth always does huge damage for me or am I confusing what you mean?
Orcness
I got that from hours and hours of testing.
for example when surprise attack does ~500 dmg in face without stealth, I did around 2000 damage to same mob when came from ctrl-hide and from back.
If you use any stamina based dual wield abilities, instead of hitting 150, you hit 250 or something... Do you see a difference?
Playing as NB with overcharged magicka, light set and destr staff makes this surprise attack even more powerful and cheap.
When playing with dual wield does not give you almost any bonuses.0 -
Burrick✭Ah ok, I only use a bow, not sure if that makes a difference?
What skill did the 2k damage btw?Edited by Burrick on May 6, 2014 8:54AM0 -
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Morticielle✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »Sorcerers: "Nerf DKs."
DK's: "Nerf Templars."
Templars: "Nerf Nightblades."
Nightblades: "Nerf Sorcerers."
You got it all wrong: "Nerf all,buff me!"Lady Morticielle d'Aragòn |VR12| Sorcerer | PvP Rank 21 (Major Grade I) | EU-Megaserver | AD
Subscription cancelled due to the following facts:
- Zenimax implements more bugs from patch to patch
- Zenimax does not care about the increasing instability of the game. People have more and more crashes Fix of memory bug decreased number of crashes considerably
- Zenimax has still not fully fixed the fps drops they (!) implemented with patch1.2.3
- Zenimax does nothing to fix the massive ability lags in PvP
- Zenimax gives more attention to unnecassary 'content' like dyes for armors than fixing issues
- In patchnotes Zenimax lies about bugs allegedly fixed
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Indeed, instead of saying nerf XClassX they should say rebalance the other classes against XClassX, that way all the classes would get better, not each class getting worse.AlienDiplomat wrote: »Sorcerers: "Nerf DKs."
DK's: "Nerf Templars."
Templars: "Nerf Nightblades."
Nightblades: "Nerf Sorcerers."
We have a game where you are supposed to be able to "play what you want, how you want", yet the players go around telling each other how a class is "supposed to be played."
Sometimes I think the community is its own worst enemy.
Mark my words, if the vocal forum majority had their way, this game would soon be little more than a cookie toss with one giant incredibly boring and homogenous cutter.
People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule1 -
And I did not ask to nerf anybody, I know its never a way out to nerf.
But I expect dual wield to be more competitive.Edited by emailgosurwb17_ESO on May 6, 2014 9:16AM0 -
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Well Dragon Knights can do quite a bit of damage with dual wield, but mostly dual wield is strongest in the hands of a Dunmer (dark elf).emailgosurwb17_ESO wrote: »If not NB's, who have to use Dual Wield in this game right now??
Which is ironic because my Dunmer DK is mostly using a Sword and Shield.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule0 -
AlexDougherty wrote: »
Well Dragon Knights can do quite a bit of damage with dual wield, but mostly dual wield is strongest in the hands of a Dunmer (dark elf).emailgosurwb17_ESO wrote: »If not NB's, who have to use Dual Wield in this game right now??
Which is ironic because my Dunmer DK is mostly using a Sword and Shield.
Oh I wonder how exactly they use dual wield to do damage as DK. Most probably 90% of the damage comes from DK skills.
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Razzak✭✭✭✭✭emailgosurwb17_ESO wrote: »Umm... stop playing this game like it's WoW, because it's not.
The reason you suck at PvP is because you think that a NB must use medium armour and dualwield.
Yes a good NB supposed to be good in Medium+dual wield.
My light armor is level 50 and destr staff on 50 too. And yes NB is much stronger in light+destr staff.
If not NB's, who have to use Dual Wield in this game right now??
And why do you think I suck at PvP, if you are playing robe + staff or abusing vamp ultimate as a DK, that does not make you a "pro" PvPer...
P.S. I never played WoW
I play a Sorc in medium armour and a 2hander+bow. Chew on that, chum.
And, honestly, dualwield at the moment is so crap that I don't understand why anyone would use it, in any situation. The skills are so weak compared to 2 hander, for example.
In what way is dual wield such a crap?
Tried DW and 2H on my char (lvl 30-39) and I have to say I find it quite opposite in PVE.
Are you talking about a PvP or Vet only?0
