Is there any other way for us to get the previous Replica Jubilee Cakes?

Soulshine · April 2023

Me and my monkey have been here since beta, on PC NA and PC EU. I am not even sure if I have all the cakes that have been released because I am not too keen on playing events unless it's Midyear Mayhem or something tied to combat. That's just me and I am not saying anyone who likes the fluffy stuff is wrong.

That all said, as a long time player I do think that rewards should be given to those players who earned them at the time. End of story. As for the reissues of some skins by ZoS in the store, it's an obvious move that just leaves a sour impression for many players and devalues the entire point their investment in the game in the first place. It frankly encourages them to actually stop rather than continue investment.

adriant1978 · April 2023

I really want to take issue with the idea that these old anniversary cakes and similar items were earned by players in the past and thus have some kind of intrinsic exclusivity based on effort put in.

People got these by dint of being in the right place at the right time. They were literally given out in exchange for logging into the game within a set time period. You didn't do anything to prove yourself worthy of receiving them, so they are not at all like exclusive rewards for trials and PvP achievements. No, the trivially easy "quest" you do for Chef Donolon doesn't count.

These are are time based rewards, not anything that anyone earned through effort or skill, so you can't get salty on the basis that other players want them "without earning them".

Livvy · April 2023

adriant1978 wrote: »

I really want to take issue with the idea that these old anniversary cakes and similar items were earned by players in the past and thus have some kind of intrinsic exclusivity based on effort put in.

People got these by dint of being in the right place at the right time. They were literally given out in exchange for logging into the game within a set time period. You didn't do anything to prove yourself worthy of receiving them, so they are not at all like exclusive rewards for trials and PvP achievements. No, the trivially easy "quest" you do for Chef Donolon doesn't count.

These are are time based rewards, not anything that anyone earned through effort or skill, so you can't get salty on the basis that other players want them "without earning them".

This just makes no sense to me.

Yes, they were earned, in my opinion. By being there and getting the memento. Just as the log-in rewards are earned by logging in to the game, or anything else where you have to do something, anything, no matter what it is, to earn something or claim something.

Now just because those that earned them didn't put in enough hard work in your opinion to get them, they are somehow undeserving? So now everyone, no matter if they completed the requirements, should get everything?

Maybe now everyone should get the log-in rewards even if they don't log in? I mean they could have logged in...so why shouldn't they get them? Not only that, but some people even want them if they were not even playing at the time.

If somebody was not there and didn't do whatever it was you had to do to get it, then they don't get it. There are tons of things in this game, and every game I have ever played, that work that way.

Why not ask them to release different cakes if people want cakes? Why do they have to be these cakes that people didn't complete the requirements to attain?

adriant1978 · April 2023

Livvy wrote: »

Yes, they were earned, in my opinion. By being there and getting the memento.

Note that neither myself nor the OP asked for the older anniversary cakes to be available for free. They could easily be made available for gold, event tickets as the OP suggested, or even Crowns. If you want to argue that being in the right place at the right time counts as effort to earn something, then IMO so does accumulating enough of whatever currency it costs to get the same rewards later.

Livvy wrote: »

Maybe now everyone should get the log-in rewards even if they don't log in?

You're the first person to bring login rewards into the discussion, but yes I absolutely think there should be some catch-up method for newer players to obtain unique items which were given out as login rewards in the past. I'm talking about the occasional hairs, accessories, pets, and such here not the generic consumable items; there will always be more of those along next month.

Livvy · April 2023

Why do so many people think they are entitled to things they didn't completely the requirements for to attain?

adriant1978 wrote: »

Livvy wrote: »

Yes, they were earned, in my opinion. By being there and getting the memento.

Note that neither myself nor the OP asked for the older anniversary cakes to be available for free. They could easily be made available for gold, event tickets as the OP suggested, or even Crowns. If you want to argue that being in the right place at the right time counts as effort to earn something, then IMO so does accumulating enough of whatever currency it costs to get the same rewards later.

Livvy wrote: »

Maybe now everyone should get the log-in rewards even if they don't log in?

You're the first person to bring login rewards into the discussion, but yes I absolutely think there should be some catch-up method for newer players to obtain unique items which were given out as login rewards in the past. I'm talking about the occasional hairs, accessories, pets, and such here not the generic consumable items; there will always be more of those along next month.

So basically, you think everyone should have everything. And nothing should ever be limited, unique, or special.

Understood.

adriant1978 · April 2023

Livvy wrote: »

So basically, you think everyone should have everything. And nothing should ever be limited, unique, or special.

Exactly right. I don't agree with artificial scarcity or exclusivity of digital items. I've never seen anything good come from it, only one group of people who are sad because they see no reason why they shouldn't be able to obtain something which exists in limitless quantities as ones and zeroes, and another group who seem to enjoy reminding them that no they can't have it because they didn't fulfil some arbitrary one time condition.

If an item only feels "special" because you have it and some other people don't, then maybe the item itself isn't that special at all.

Livvy · April 2023

adriant1978 wrote: »

Livvy wrote: »

So basically, you think everyone should have everything. And nothing should ever be limited, unique, or special.

Exactly right. I don't agree with artificial scarcity or exclusivity of digital items. I've never seen anything good come from it, only one group of people who are sad because they see no reason why they shouldn't be able to obtain something which exists in limitless quantities as ones and zeroes, and another group who seem to enjoy reminding them that no they can't have it because they didn't fulfil some arbitrary one time condition.

If an item only feels "special" because you have it and some other people don't, then maybe the item itself isn't that special at all.

It actually has nothing to do with others not having it. I wouldn't care if 10 million people had something, so long as they completed the requirements to attain it.

spartaxoxo · April 2023

I have never really considered participation trophies in general as something earned through a level of work that must be honored always and forever. You basically just get them for existing. So, I think that does influence my view of these cakes.

For me in order for exclusivity to be earned, there has to be a good reason for it to be exclusive or it had to require some real effort.

Edit:

Also just to show that I'm not speaking this way because I want cakes that I didn't "earn." I'm posing in my VSS skin because it's one of my current hardest items in-game that I won. I don't typically wear it because it's not very good, and others have earned much harder items. But, I felt it was a noteworthy distinction for this discussion and my P.O.V.

I consider a trial skin earned (unless you bought it as a carry). And I consider these cakes to be participation trophies that don't even show who participated particularly well.

I feel that I earned my dungeon and trial achievements because I worked hard to get each one by playing the game in hard content.

I don't feel that I earned these cakes because I got them practically for logging in. Chef Donovan didn't even make me look for the ingredients, they are right next to him. I cannot think of an easier reward in this game.

Livvy · April 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I have never really considered participation trophies in general as something earned through a level of work that must be honored always and forever. You basically just get them for existing. So, I think that does influence my view of these cakes.

For me in order for exclusivity to be earned, there has to be a good reason for it to be exclusive or it had to require some real effort.

Edit:

Also just to show that I'm not speaking this way because I want cakes that I didn't "earn." I'm posing in my VSS skin because it's one of my current hardest items in-game that I won. I don't typically wear it because it's not very good, and others have earned much harder items. But, I felt it was a noteworthy distinction for this discussion and my P.O.V.

I consider it a trial skin earned (unless you bought it as a carry). And I consider these cakes to be participation trophies that don't even show participated particularly well.

I feel that I earned my dungeon and trial achievements because I worked hard to get each one by playing the game in hard content.

I don't feel that I earned these cakes because I got them practically for logging in. Chef Donovan didn't even make me look for the ingredients, they are right next to him. I cannot think of an easier reward in this game.

I guess those that can't complete trials or difficult dungeon achievements are undeserving of having anything unique...

Once again, deciding who is deserving of unique, limited, or special rewards and who isn't.

I don't see what is so wrong with loyalty rewards or rewards for time spent in a game. Just like the Monkey, Tiger, etc.

Why can't there be something unique for all different aspects of the game?

spartaxoxo · April 2023

Livvy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I have never really considered participation trophies in general as something earned through a level of work that must be honored always and forever. You basically just get them for existing. So, I think that does influence my view of these cakes.

For me in order for exclusivity to be earned, there has to be a good reason for it to be exclusive or it had to require some real effort.

Edit:

Also just to show that I'm not speaking this way because I want cakes that I didn't "earn." I'm posing in my VSS skin because it's one of my current hardest items in-game that I won. I don't typically wear it because it's not very good, and others have earned much harder items. But, I felt it was a noteworthy distinction for this discussion and my P.O.V.

I consider it a trial skin earned (unless you bought it as a carry). And I consider these cakes to be participation trophies that don't even show participated particularly well.

I feel that I earned my dungeon and trial achievements because I worked hard to get each one by playing the game in hard content.

I don't feel that I earned these cakes because I got them practically for logging in. Chef Donovan didn't even make me look for the ingredients, they are right next to him. I cannot think of an easier reward in this game.

I guess those that can't complete trials or difficult dungeon achievements are undeserving of having anything unique...

Once again, deciding who is deserving of unique, limited, or special rewards and who isn't.

I don't see what is so wrong with loyalty rewards or rewards for time spent in a game. Just like the Monkey, Tiger, etc.

Why can't there be something unique for all different aspects of the game?

I already stated I believe the mementos should remain unique.

It's the replicas in particular I take issue with, not the idea of unique rewards for casual content in general.

The replicas are bad because they were made available after they introduced the memento. This means people who DID participate in anniversary 2016 don't get the replica just because they couldn't predict the future.

They are also meant to commemorate a year of play but they don't because people who played that year may not be able to buy them.

And they are also necessary items for making a good looking bakery. There aren't a lot of cakes in this game that can be used as alternatives.

When it comes to exclusivity I don't believe in all or nothing. Just because I think this particular item shouldn't be exclusive doesn't mean that I think casual content shouldn't have exclusive rewards.

The memento should be enough because it served a purpose during the event, it granted exp. That's falls into the "good" reason for it to be exclusive for me, personally. The same is not true of the replicas and the replicas did not always exist.

Livvy · April 2023

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Livvy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I have never really considered participation trophies in general as something earned through a level of work that must be honored always and forever. You basically just get them for existing. So, I think that does influence my view of these cakes.

For me in order for exclusivity to be earned, there has to be a good reason for it to be exclusive or it had to require some real effort.

Edit:

Also just to show that I'm not speaking this way because I want cakes that I didn't "earn." I'm posing in my VSS skin because it's one of my current hardest items in-game that I won. I don't typically wear it because it's not very good, and others have earned much harder items. But, I felt it was a noteworthy distinction for this discussion and my P.O.V.

I consider it a trial skin earned (unless you bought it as a carry). And I consider these cakes to be participation trophies that don't even show participated particularly well.

I feel that I earned my dungeon and trial achievements because I worked hard to get each one by playing the game in hard content.

I don't feel that I earned these cakes because I got them practically for logging in. Chef Donovan didn't even make me look for the ingredients, they are right next to him. I cannot think of an easier reward in this game.

I guess those that can't complete trials or difficult dungeon achievements are undeserving of having anything unique...

Once again, deciding who is deserving of unique, limited, or special rewards and who isn't.

I don't see what is so wrong with loyalty rewards or rewards for time spent in a game. Just like the Monkey, Tiger, etc.

Why can't there be something unique for all different aspects of the game?

I already stated I believe the mementos should remain unique.

It's the replicas in particular I take issue with, not the idea of unique rewards for casual content in general.

The replicas are bad because they were made available AFTER the introduced the memento. This means people who DID participate in anniversary 2016 don't get the replica just because they couldn't predict the future.

They are also meant to commemorate a year of play but they don't because people who played that year may not be able to buy them.

And they are also necessary items for making a good looking bakery. There aren't a lot of cakes in this game that can be used as alternatives.

When it comes to exclusivity I don't believe in all or nothing. Just because I think this particular item shouldn't be exclusive doesn't mean that I think casual content shouldn't have exclusive rewards.

The memento should be enough because it served a purpose during the event, it granted exp. The same is not true of the cakes and the cakes did not always exist.

Well, people are specifically saying that since these required no skill to obtain, they don't deserve to be limited or unique. For that particular reason alone.

So, if it's just cakes in general that are desired, since there aren't many in game, why not request more cakes be added instead of having to have these particular cakes that represent someone being somewhere and doing something at a particular time in game?

spartaxoxo · April 2023

Livvy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Livvy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I have never really considered participation trophies in general as something earned through a level of work that must be honored always and forever. You basically just get them for existing. So, I think that does influence my view of these cakes.

For me in order for exclusivity to be earned, there has to be a good reason for it to be exclusive or it had to require some real effort.

Edit:

Also just to show that I'm not speaking this way because I want cakes that I didn't "earn." I'm posing in my VSS skin because it's one of my current hardest items in-game that I won. I don't typically wear it because it's not very good, and others have earned much harder items. But, I felt it was a noteworthy distinction for this discussion and my P.O.V.

I consider it a trial skin earned (unless you bought it as a carry). And I consider these cakes to be participation trophies that don't even show participated particularly well.

I feel that I earned my dungeon and trial achievements because I worked hard to get each one by playing the game in hard content.

I don't feel that I earned these cakes because I got them practically for logging in. Chef Donovan didn't even make me look for the ingredients, they are right next to him. I cannot think of an easier reward in this game.

I guess those that can't complete trials or difficult dungeon achievements are undeserving of having anything unique...

Once again, deciding who is deserving of unique, limited, or special rewards and who isn't.

I don't see what is so wrong with loyalty rewards or rewards for time spent in a game. Just like the Monkey, Tiger, etc.

Why can't there be something unique for all different aspects of the game?

I already stated I believe the mementos should remain unique.

It's the replicas in particular I take issue with, not the idea of unique rewards for casual content in general.

The replicas are bad because they were made available AFTER the introduced the memento. This means people who DID participate in anniversary 2016 don't get the replica just because they couldn't predict the future.

They are also meant to commemorate a year of play but they don't because people who played that year may not be able to buy them.

And they are also necessary items for making a good looking bakery. There aren't a lot of cakes in this game that can be used as alternatives.

When it comes to exclusivity I don't believe in all or nothing. Just because I think this particular item shouldn't be exclusive doesn't mean that I think casual content shouldn't have exclusive rewards.

The memento should be enough because it served a purpose during the event, it granted exp. The same is not true of the cakes and the cakes did not always exist.

Well, people are specifically saying that since these required no skill to obtain, they don't deserve to be limited or unique. For that particular reason alone.

So, if it's just cakes in general that are desired, since there aren't many in game, why not request more cakes be added instead of having to have these particular cakes that represent someone being somewhere and doing something at a particular time in game?

Because the replicas were introduced in 2020. But the mementos were introduced in 2016.

This means that people who did the anniversary event during 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019 but didn't get the cake can't get the replica. When these people declined the memento because they did not need an exp buff, they had no way of predicting it would be a necessary item for furnishing their home in the future. A memento isn't furniture.

This replica does NOT show who participated in those events. It doesn't show who participated in that year. Therefore that's not a good reason for it to be exclusive.

This replica also does NOT demonstrate effort. You get this for existing at the right time. These rewards are obtained, not earned. So effort isn't a good reason for it to be exclusive.

They can't be resold and thus have no coin value. So protecting the market isn't a good reason for it to be exclusive.

It should be exclusive because it's exclusive is circular logic and a fallacy, so I don't consider it to be a good reason to be exclusive.

It should be exclusive because they might give away trial skins is the slippery slope logical fallacy and therefore I don't consider it to be a good reason for it to be exclusive.

There's no good reason for these to be exclusive in my personal opinion, so therefore I don't personally feel they should be.

I would be okay if you had to be playing that year to buy that year's cake. I am not okay with the current system. I think it's wrong to prevent players who were playing in 2016 from being able to buy the cake just because they couldn't predict the future.

Livvy · April 2023

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spartaxoxo wrote: »

Livvy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Livvy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I have never really considered participation trophies in general as something earned through a level of work that must be honored always and forever. You basically just get them for existing. So, I think that does influence my view of these cakes.

For me in order for exclusivity to be earned, there has to be a good reason for it to be exclusive or it had to require some real effort.

Edit:

Also just to show that I'm not speaking this way because I want cakes that I didn't "earn." I'm posing in my VSS skin because it's one of my current hardest items in-game that I won. I don't typically wear it because it's not very good, and others have earned much harder items. But, I felt it was a noteworthy distinction for this discussion and my P.O.V.

I consider it a trial skin earned (unless you bought it as a carry). And I consider these cakes to be participation trophies that don't even show participated particularly well.

I feel that I earned my dungeon and trial achievements because I worked hard to get each one by playing the game in hard content.

I don't feel that I earned these cakes because I got them practically for logging in. Chef Donovan didn't even make me look for the ingredients, they are right next to him. I cannot think of an easier reward in this game.

I guess those that can't complete trials or difficult dungeon achievements are undeserving of having anything unique...

Once again, deciding who is deserving of unique, limited, or special rewards and who isn't.

I don't see what is so wrong with loyalty rewards or rewards for time spent in a game. Just like the Monkey, Tiger, etc.

Why can't there be something unique for all different aspects of the game?

I already stated I believe the mementos should remain unique.

It's the replicas in particular I take issue with, not the idea of unique rewards for casual content in general.

The replicas are bad because they were made available AFTER the introduced the memento. This means people who DID participate in anniversary 2016 don't get the replica just because they couldn't predict the future.

They are also meant to commemorate a year of play but they don't because people who played that year may not be able to buy them.

And they are also necessary items for making a good looking bakery. There aren't a lot of cakes in this game that can be used as alternatives.

When it comes to exclusivity I don't believe in all or nothing. Just because I think this particular item shouldn't be exclusive doesn't mean that I think casual content shouldn't have exclusive rewards.

The memento should be enough because it served a purpose during the event, it granted exp. The same is not true of the cakes and the cakes did not always exist.

Well, people are specifically saying that since these required no skill to obtain, they don't deserve to be limited or unique. For that particular reason alone.

So, if it's just cakes in general that are desired, since there aren't many in game, why not request more cakes be added instead of having to have these particular cakes that represent someone being somewhere and doing something at a particular time in game?

Because the replicas were introduced in 2020. But the mementos were introduced in 2016.

This means that people who did the anniversary event during 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019 but didn't get the cake can't get the replica. When these people declined the memento because they did not need an exp buff, they had no way of predicting it would be a necessary item for furnishing their home in the future. A memento isn't furniture.

This replica does NOT show who participated in those events. It doesn't show who participated in that year. Therefore that's not a good reason for it to be exclusive.

This replica also does NOT demonstrate effort. You get this for existing at the right time. These rewards are obtained, not earned. So effort isn't a good reason for it to be exclusive.

They can't be resold and thus have no coin value. So protecting the market isn't a good reason for it to be exclusive.

It should be exclusive because it's exclusive is circular logic and a fallacy, so I don't consider it to be a good reason to be exclusive.

It should be exclusive because they might give away trial skins is the slippery slope logical fallacy and therefore I don't consider it to be a good reason for it to be exclusive.

There's no good reason for these to be exclusive in my personal opinion, so therefore I don't personally feel they should be.

I would be okay if you had to be playing that year to buy that year's cake. I am not okay with the current system. I think it's wrong to prevent players who were playing in 2016 from being able to buy the cake just because they couldn't predict the future.

To me, the fact you have to have acquired the memento for the cake during that year's festival to have the cake... makes perfect sense and is a totally reasonable requirement.

I personally don't see why some things should be deemed worthy of sticking to the requirements and prerequisites and some things shouldn't.

I also don't see why so many people seem to think they are entitled to certain things, even if they do not fulfil the prerequisites to attain them.

Happily agree to disagree on this. And I hope many more, even cooler cakes are added to the game.

spartaxoxo · April 2023

Livvy wrote: »

To me, the fact you have to have acquired the memento for the cake during that year's festival to have the cake... makes perfect sense and is a totally reasonable requirement.

Well, I personally don't consider having to accurately predict what's going to happen 4 years in the future to be a reasonable requirement. So, I concur we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I personally don't see why some things should be deemed worthy of sticking to the requirements and prerequisites and some things shouldn't.

Because human beings aren't perfect. There's no such thing as a perfect person, company, etc. Therefore, sometimes errors will be made. We can't ever fix mistakes that were made if we aren't open to questioning whether or not a requirement is fair or reasonable.

I also don't see why so many people seem to think they are entitled to certain things, even if they do not fulfil the prerequisites to attain them.

Speaking for myself personally, the very concept of exclusivity is already entitled. So, for myself personally, I actually find the entitled position to be the one that someone should get things others can't, especially when those things are just received by existing. But I still feel it does have its place in some circumstances. For example, as a reward for something that is hard to earn. So, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

dogmycats · April 2023

As many old stuff has returned and opened for players, i think the cakes can become one of it.
And we are willing to pay for the cakes

In any way.

KiltMaster · April 2023

I played since 2016 (have the 2016 cake, and all the rest except for the 2017 cake) - I accidentally missed the 2017 event because of computer problems. It pains me every year that I have all the cakes except for that one.

I would love a way to get the 2017 cake. I think that if your account was old enough (and active) during that year, you should be able to get the cake.

I know that's biased but it's the only one I'm missing and it's wasn't entirely my fault :'(

evan302 · April 2023

I can't help thinking there is a strong suggestion of,
'I only want my cakes because other people don't have them and they will never be able to get them,' coming though some posts.

I could understand if the cake was an item that had to be earned in-game from doing hard content that was time-limited or if it was a cash shop purchase that was originally advertised as being one time only.
But all you had to do to get the cake was log in... that's not making an 'effort' and it's not 'work'.

As to the suggestion the devs should make new cakes for people to use as furnishings when we already have assets available, I feel that would be a waste of resources. I'd rather they made the existing cakes available and gave us something new.

I really can't see any reason for not making the replicas available for event tickets, or even in the cash shop, though personally I'd much rather see them made available in-game.
It would let some folk complete their collection and it would make a lot of house decorators happy. They're great looking items, the more people who can enjoy them the better, surely?