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I don't ever "force" chests. I'm never in that big a hurry overland, and I don't do dungeons or trials.
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"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »It already is account wide as much as it should be.
Level 1 character to max in the skill.
Then face a choice on the next character:
Pay 2000 crowns worth of your own money or, repeat the process.
Nothing more is needed.
So I have to spend more money for this option per character.
Once you have done it once FREE is what is needed.
Account wide is what is needed.
Still a "No", work for it.No. I don't want it available on any characters other than my "bad girl" rogues.
You know you can't force open treasure chests without it? I'm always annoyed when some sits down in a Dungeon or Trial and starts open it manually.
That annoys you? It takes practically 10 seconds to open manually. I have ADHD and I don't find it annoying at all.HEARTHLIGHT - A guild for housing enthusiasts! Contact @Kesstryl in-game to join.3 -
Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭Isn't the skill line on the store once ya knock it on you're main like the rest?, So wouldn't the solution be if ya can't be bothered to do it on the alt just grab it from the crown store?0 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Isn't the skill line on the store once ya knock it on you're main like the rest?, So wouldn't the solution be if ya can't be bothered to do it on the alt just grab it from the crown store?
The OP already stated no interest in buying it.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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✭✭Leave it as it is, it's not like all characters need it, I have one character maxed out on it and he's my go to thief.
None of my other characters need the skill line, just like my stamina characters don't really need mages guild skills and my magic characters don't need 2H weapon or bow skill lines.
A lot of skill lines are tedious and boring, making them hard to do over and over again but just do them on characters that will actually use the skills.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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Yeah i can understand that for OP but doesn't that make this whole conversation pointless?. Am i the only one that can see it?, it's in the crown store and the skill lines make them bank. So isn't the only solution here can't be bothered for alt then get it from the crown store?.0 -
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Yeah i can understand that for OP but doesn't that make this whole conversation pointless?. Am i the only one that can see it?, it's in the crown store and the skill lines make them bank. So isn't the only solution here can't be bothered for alt then get it from the crown store?.
Yes of course. However.... there's a fairly large percentage of forum posters who in general decry the monetization of the game.
Some are fine with buying things like skill lines. Others are not.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭
Yeah i can understand that for OP but doesn't that make this whole conversation pointless?. Am i the only one that can see it?, it's in the crown store and the skill lines make them bank. So isn't the only solution here can't be bothered for alt then get it from the crown store?.
Yes of course. However.... there's a fairly large percentage of forum posters who in general decry the monetization of the game.
Some are fine with buying things like skill lines. Others are not.
Ohh 100% i agree that ESO is over done with the sheer microtransactions. But i also know that zos has never allowed things to mess with their store. Surprised after all these years people still don't see it. We tend to have two choices in these situations grind it or pay for it, no third option will be introduced to change it.
Heck on that alone do people not notice why we have only a handful of things that can be earned for the end game while 99% of the stuff goes in the store?. Even when we get an end game mount or polymorph or something to work towards they always release a better version of it or a different version of it in the store lol.
You kinda need to accept it as is and play within the rules set of grind or pay or consider if eso is worth your time as this will always bother ya.Edited by Heromofo on March 19, 2023 11:57PM0 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah i can understand that for OP but doesn't that make this whole conversation pointless?. Am i the only one that can see it?, it's in the crown store and the skill lines make them bank. So isn't the only solution here can't be bothered for alt then get it from the crown store?.
Yes of course. However.... there's a fairly large percentage of forum posters who in general decry the monetization of the game.
Some are fine with buying things like skill lines. Others are not.
Ohh 100% i agree that ESO is over done with the sheer microtransactions. But i also know that zos has never allowed things to mess with their store. Surprised after all these years people still don't see it. We tend to have two choices in these situations grind it or pay for it, no third option will be introduced to change it.
Heck on that alone do people not notice why we have only a handful of things that can be earned for the end game while 99% of the stuff goes in the store?. Even when we get an end game mount or polymorph or something to work towards they always release a better version of it or a different version of it in the store lol.
Oh yes, it's noticed. But many of those who have called out ZOS on this..... have migrated away, some to other games, some - well, I don't know really where they've gone.
I spend some for crowns (when on sale), and otherwise (outside of subs) I ignore the store.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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✭✭✭✭✭ToI do not understand why OP makes such a suggestion without providing any reason to justify why that skill line should be different than every other skill line. Without that then it is a solid no, it should not be.
For me it would be to force lock-picks, nothing annoys me more than running a dungeon with a group only to discover that I shouldn’t of tried to force lock pick that chest but I’m on the wrong character, who hasn’t yet near maxed out his ledgermain.
That is a great reason why someone would want it to be account wide but nothing close to a logical justification as to why the skill line should be different that the other skill lines available to all characters and classes. Based on that justification everything should be account wide.
While I have not looked for it, I am pretty sure that anyone who has completely leveled up the legerdemain skill line can buy the skill line instantly on any alt they want. So, anyone who does not want to be bothered leveling up the skill on a second, third, et, all, time does not have to. Just fork over the crowns and you are golden. In other words, this will not be made account-wide.
Problem solved,
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Yeah i can understand that for OP but doesn't that make this whole conversation pointless?. Am i the only one that can see it?, it's in the crown store and the skill lines make them bank. So isn't the only solution here can't be bothered for alt then get it from the crown store?.
Yes of course. However.... there's a fairly large percentage of forum posters who in general decry the monetization of the game.
Some are fine with buying things like skill lines. Others are not.
I am one that is not. My opinion is more old school RPG in that if you want the skill on a character, you do the work to earn it for that character.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah i can understand that for OP but doesn't that make this whole conversation pointless?. Am i the only one that can see it?, it's in the crown store and the skill lines make them bank. So isn't the only solution here can't be bothered for alt then get it from the crown store?.
Yes of course. However.... there's a fairly large percentage of forum posters who in general decry the monetization of the game.
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Some are fine with buying things like skill lines. Others are not.
I am one that is not. My opinion is more old school RPG in that if you want the skill on a character, you do the work to earn it for that character.
I don't buy skill lines. I do the work (um.... really, it's NOT work for me - for instance, I LOVE doing the Psijiic line on my characters; however I don't love FG and MG, but I'm not going to pay RL money for them). What I buy in the store is cosmetics.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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Yeah i can understand that for OP but doesn't that make this whole conversation pointless?. Am i the only one that can see it?, it's in the crown store and the skill lines make them bank. So isn't the only solution here can't be bothered for alt then get it from the crown store?.
Yes of course. However.... there's a fairly large percentage of forum posters who in general decry the monetization of the game.
Some are fine with buying things like skill lines. Others are not.
Ohh 100% i agree that ESO is over done with the sheer microtransactions. But i also know that zos has never allowed things to mess with their store. Surprised after all these years people still don't see it. We tend to have two choices in these situations grind it or pay for it, no third option will be introduced to change it.
Heck on that alone do people not notice why we have only a handful of things that can be earned for the end game while 99% of the stuff goes in the store?. Even when we get an end game mount or polymorph or something to work towards they always release a better version of it or a different version of it in the store lol.
Oh yes, it's noticed. But many of those who have called out ZOS on this..... have migrated away, some to other games, some - well, I don't know really where they've gone.
I spend some for crowns (when on sale), and otherwise (outside of subs) I ignore the store.
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TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah i can understand that for OP but doesn't that make this whole conversation pointless?. Am i the only one that can see it?, it's in the crown store and the skill lines make them bank. So isn't the only solution here can't be bothered for alt then get it from the crown store?.
Yes of course. However.... there's a fairly large percentage of forum posters who in general decry the monetization of the game.
Some are fine with buying things like skill lines. Others are not.
Ohh 100% i agree that ESO is over done with the sheer microtransactions. But i also know that zos has never allowed things to mess with their store. Surprised after all these years people still don't see it. We tend to have two choices in these situations grind it or pay for it, no third option will be introduced to change it.
Heck on that alone do people not notice why we have only a handful of things that can be earned for the end game while 99% of the stuff goes in the store?. Even when we get an end game mount or polymorph or something to work towards they always release a better version of it or a different version of it in the store lol.
Oh yes, it's noticed. But many of those who have called out ZOS on this..... have migrated away, some to other games, some - well, I don't know really where they've gone.
I spend some for crowns (when on sale), and otherwise (outside of subs) I ignore the store.
Ditto brother
Um. Sister.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭
Yeah i can understand that for OP but doesn't that make this whole conversation pointless?. Am i the only one that can see it?, it's in the crown store and the skill lines make them bank. So isn't the only solution here can't be bothered for alt then get it from the crown store?.
Yes of course. However.... there's a fairly large percentage of forum posters who in general decry the monetization of the game.
Some are fine with buying things like skill lines. Others are not.
Ohh 100% i agree that ESO is over done with the sheer microtransactions. But i also know that zos has never allowed things to mess with their store. Surprised after all these years people still don't see it. We tend to have two choices in these situations grind it or pay for it, no third option will be introduced to change it.
Heck on that alone do people not notice why we have only a handful of things that can be earned for the end game while 99% of the stuff goes in the store?. Even when we get an end game mount or polymorph or something to work towards they always release a better version of it or a different version of it in the store lol.
Oh yes, it's noticed. But many of those who have called out ZOS on this..... have migrated away, some to other games, some - well, I don't know really where they've gone.
I spend some for crowns (when on sale), and otherwise (outside of subs) I ignore the store.
Ditto brother
Um. Sister.
<---- Aussie
So brother also means mate, friend, cuz etc. So in this context just means a sign of respect.0 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ah. Okay then. I have cousins (second and third so much younger) in AU and NZ though we don't interact much, so I'm not really up on the relativity of the local usage, sorry!Edited by TaSheen on March 20, 2023 1:51AM______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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Heromofo✭✭✭✭✭Ah. Okay then. I have cousins (second and third so much younger) in AU and NZ though we don't interact much, so I'm not really up on the relativity of the local slang, sorry!
No need to ever say sorry lol, i play ESO on an American server since we don't have an Oceania server. It comes up so often and i am always happy to say (also they always say we talk too fast lol). Mind you it's changing in Australia, went in the shops the other day and said g'day mate to the lady at the store and she straight out said i am not you're mate...
Time's are changing or lingo is changing or we are losing our slang. Because us Aussie's it's about how we say things and not exactly what we say.Edited by Heromofo on March 20, 2023 1:55AM1 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ah. Okay then. I have cousins (second and third so much younger) in AU and NZ though we don't interact much, so I'm not really up on the relativity of the local usage, sorry!
No need to ever say sorry lol, i play ESO on an American server since we don't have an Oceania server. It comes up so often and i am always happy to say (also they always say we talk too fast lol). Mind you it's changing in Australia, went in the shops the other day and said g'day mate to the lady at the store and she straight out said i am not you're mate...
Time's are changing or lingo is changing or we are losing our slang. Because us Aussie's it's about how we say things and not exactly what we say.
Well, when I go off on a gender tangent (because I've been playing games since the mid-70s [AD&D, writing scenarios for my daughter and her friends in junior high school - yeah I know they call it something else now, but I don't need to know do I?], then CRPGs after I got my first computer in the mid 80s, and "graduated" to MMOs with WoW back in the eafly 2k years ) I do so because even today, especially on game forums, people tend to believe females don't play games.
Especially females in their mid-70s....
In any case, I hope your summer isn't being as bad as my winter is! And otherwise, no worries!
Edited by TaSheen on March 20, 2023 2:24AM______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
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✭✭✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »It already is account wide as much as it should be.
Level 1 character to max in the skill.
Then face a choice on the next character:
Pay 2000 crowns worth of your own money or, repeat the process.
Nothing more is needed.
So I have to spend more money for this option per character.
Once you have done it once FREE is what is needed.
Account wide is what is needed.
Let's clarify, account wide is what you want. It is not a need.
If you absolutely needed to have it then while you may complain about the price ZOS charges or its lack of ability to be gifted, but you would still buy it in the end if it were a need, since the option for it currently exists in the game.
It may not be set up the way you want... but we all should be used to disappointment.
I sure didn't get what I wanted when account wide achievements rolled out.4 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »wolfie1.0. wrote: »It already is account wide as much as it should be.
Level 1 character to max in the skill.
Then face a choice on the next character:
Pay 2000 crowns worth of your own money or, repeat the process.
Nothing more is needed.
So I have to spend more money for this option per character.
Once you have done it once FREE is what is needed.
Account wide is what is needed.
Let's clarify, account wide is what you want. It is not a need.
If you absolutely needed to have it then while you may complain about the price ZOS charges or its lack of ability to be gifted, but you would still buy it in the end if it were a need, since the option for it currently exists in the game.
It may not be set up the way you want... but we all should be used to disappointment.
I sure didn't get what I wanted when account wide achievements rolled out.
Exactly. There is a difference between want and need.
Anyone who wants this skill line for free on their alts needs to level it up the old fashion way. If they do not want to level it up the old fashion way they have the option to buy it in the crown store. It is a choice that each of us makes.
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✭People claiming that everything NEEDS to be free/ unlocked by default on alt toons after they maxed it one character are completely unaware what they're talking about.
Not only they have no idea how much that would hurt the company and the playerbase as this will lead to people playing way less in addition to way less income for ZOS which would lead to the literally end of the game way before its time but they don't even see that the crown store is purely cosmetic and to speed things up. They probably never even faced the thing called "Pay to win". Let me give you an example of another game:
Imagine you get a new chest armor and you want to upgrade it. By default you have 1-2 bonuses already on it. You can add up to 4 more but you need to buy the upgrades with real money. And they have a good chance of failing while being added so you simply get nothing and have to rebuy. We're talking big money here for this, just for context you can expect something like 50-60 Euro / Dollar just for this alone.
Now you want those bonuses to be actually good so you need to buy "switcher" for real money. There are three of them - one for the bonuses 1-4 simultaneously and 1 each for 5 and 6. When you use them you get random bonuses with random amounts so you have to invest big to get something you actually want.
Now you want to upgrade the armor. You can do so in rarity of +1 to +9. You need really rare and expensive stuff to do so and it can fail. If that happens here's a good chance the armor gets destroyed and is lost forever. Well guess what, money can help you with that. You can either decide to buy something to just protect the armor while upgrading or something that even raises the chance on doing so. Upgrade chance is still pretty low and even if your armor is save it will still loses an upgrade rank when upgrading fails. You can see where this leads to.
Now you can add bonus gems to the armor, multiple of them. If that fails your slot for one of those upgrades becomes corrupted and can't be used anymore, you need to clean this up. And yes, you need real money for that.
All togeter you can spend literally thousand and thousand of Euro / Dollars on that and still sit on a low rank, all corrupted slots armor with bad bonuses.And that's just one item of many. To make this clear: Yes, this is an actual reference to a game out there, all of this is real and it's 100% pay to win. And yes, people are paying horrendous amounts of money on that.
We can be really happy that our shop is nothing like that.I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.2 -
ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭For as long as there is a financial incentive to keep it per character rather than account wide it will remain as such.
There is no immersion/gameplay angle to this, is purely financial.
You either have players engaging with drudgery for extended periods of time or you have them spending cash in the shop.
Either way the house wins.Edited by ApoAlaia on March 20, 2023 9:18AM2 -
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In some places, it means the two of you are related, so GRATS on finding each other!
For as long as there is a financial incentive to keep it per character rather than account wide it will remain as such.
This is not a dependable line of thought. If this were, then AwA would not have happened and ZOS would have put per-character "Achievement Tokens" into the Crown Store.Anyone who wants this skill line for free on their alts needs to level it up the old fashion way. If they do not want to level it up the old fashion way they have the option to buy it in the crown store. It is a choice that each of us makes.
My feeling is that if the dev decision makers came into the forum to make a statement, this is what they would be saying. Word for word. Of course, I am often wrong about these things... XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Kisakee✭✭✭✭✭
✭For as long as there is a financial incentive to keep it per character rather than account wide it will remain as such.
This is not a dependable line of thought. If this were, then AwA would not have happened and ZOS would have put per-character "Achievement Tokens" into the Crown Store.
This would have brought up a massive brownswirl and so much negative publicity that no revenue would have been worth it in any way.I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.0 -
ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭For as long as there is a financial incentive to keep it per character rather than account wide it will remain as such.
This is not a dependable line of thought. If this were, then AwA would not have happened and ZOS would have put per-character "Achievement Tokens" into the Crown Store.
There is a significant difference between selling skill lines and selling achievements.
Pretending that there isn't is frankly disingenuous.
Pay for convenience seems to be generally accepted therefore profitable without much pushback.
Pay to win however is a completely different matter altogether.Edited by ApoAlaia on March 20, 2023 1:37PM0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For as long as there is a financial incentive to keep it per character rather than account wide it will remain as such.
This is not a dependable line of thought. If this were, then AwA would not have happened and ZOS would have put per-character "Achievement Tokens" into the Crown Store.
There is a significant difference between selling skill lines and selling achievements.
Pretending that there isn't is frankly disingenuous.
Pay for convenience seems to be generally accepted therefore profitable without much pushback.
Pay to win however is a completely different matter altogether.
You misunderstand. The Tokens would be used to embue other characters on the account with Achievements already earned. Exactly the same as what happens today, for "free", but with out the "free" part. That is how a monetization-centric studio would have done it, and why it is not a dependable line of thought due to the fact that they didn't do it that way.
In this case, I am sure back end necessity trumped monetization.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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ApoAlaia✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭For as long as there is a financial incentive to keep it per character rather than account wide it will remain as such.
This is not a dependable line of thought. If this were, then AwA would not have happened and ZOS would have put per-character "Achievement Tokens" into the Crown Store.
There is a significant difference between selling skill lines and selling achievements.
Pretending that there isn't is frankly disingenuous.
Pay for convenience seems to be generally accepted therefore profitable without much pushback.
Pay to win however is a completely different matter altogether.
You misunderstand. The Tokens would be used to embue other characters on the account with Achievements already earned. Exactly the same as what happens today, for "free", but with out the "free" part. That is how a monetization-centric studio would have done it, and why it is not a dependable line of thought due to the fact that they didn't do it that way.
In this case, I am sure back end necessity trumped monetization.
I did misunderstand, thanks for rephrasing
Not sure if that would have flown, selling the achievement for the rest of the characters in the account after having obtained it in one character, but given that many players seem to be firmly in the 'well, if you think this is drudgery just don't be poor' camp I guess it may have.
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✭✭✭✭✭Your highest Ledgermain level you have earned should be across all your characters.
It IS available... you just have to buy it from the Crown store. But you have had to reach max level on at least one character to do so... thus, it is available account wide if you buy it.CP: 2130 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For as long as there is a financial incentive to keep it per character rather than account wide it will remain as such.
This is not a dependable line of thought. If this were, then AwA would not have happened and ZOS would have put per-character "Achievement Tokens" into the Crown Store.
There is a significant difference between selling skill lines and selling achievements.
Pretending that there isn't is frankly disingenuous.
Pay for convenience seems to be generally accepted therefore profitable without much pushback.
Pay to win however is a completely different matter altogether.
You misunderstand. The Tokens would be used to embue other characters on the account with Achievements already earned. Exactly the same as what happens today, for "free", but with out the "free" part. That is how a monetization-centric studio would have done it, and why it is not a dependable line of thought due to the fact that they didn't do it that way.
In this case, I am sure back end necessity trumped monetization.
I did misunderstand, thanks for rephrasing
Not sure if that would have flown, selling the achievement for the rest of the characters in the account after having obtained it in one character, but given that many players seem to be firmly in the 'well, if you think this is drudgery just don't be poor' camp I guess it may have.
I have no doubt that, even if players complained (as they are wont to do), it would have been financially successful.
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