Blackbird_V wrote: »"...
1 Mythic, 2 active abilities and heavy attacking really should not do 100k DPS imo.
Blackbird_V wrote: »Then they should not nerf any set in the game, or ability. We've invested a LOT of time into getting sets, only for the to be gutted months later. We also spend a lot of time practicing 2 bar rotations, light attack weaving etc. for that to also be nerfed. We get nerfs, so in fairness so should oakensoul. What it provides is far too much.
Dragonnord wrote: »A ring/build that gives you 100k or close by only hitting 3 keys and 1 click? Sure, it shouldn't be nerfed. Sure, sure.
Dragonnord wrote: »A ring/build that gives you 100k or close by only hitting 3 keys and 1 click? Sure, it shouldn't be nerfed. Sure, sure.
Blackbird_V wrote: »"...
1 Mythic, 2 active abilities and heavy attacking really should not do 100k DPS imo.
Why not?
How that build mess up with your game? They have more dps then you? Go trainne. With perfect rotation you will be better then any oakensoul build.
They don't have more dps then you? Then what's the problem?
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Blackbird_V wrote: »"...
1 Mythic, 2 active abilities and heavy attacking really should not do 100k DPS imo.
Why not?
How that build mess up with your game? They have more dps then you? Go trainne. With perfect rotation you will be better then any oakensoul build.
They don't have more dps then you? Then what's the problem?
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as a HA user myself even I feel like im cheating lol
but don't nerf OS, it's only empower that's way too op rn
So while I don't shame people who use HA builds and that I am glad that SOME of them are doing more dps 2 bar builds, there is no shame if you're doing less dps, because at least you're trying to learn this game.
Blackbird_V wrote: »as a HA user myself even I feel like im cheating lol
but don't nerf OS, it's only empower that's way too op rn
Yeah I have to agree empower is a massive issue. Either give it Minor/Major treatment and put Major Empower on Galenwe set, or remove Empower from Oakensoul. It reduces to raw power of the ring, while keeping the other QoL benefits it provides. If people still want Empower, then they can always use a Templar, have someone Run Aegis of Galenwe, or even Rage of the Ursauk.
Us 2 bar players/Vet raiders optimise by having people run sets/classes that can provide these buffs, and it's not too much to ask that oakensoul players can do this too. It'd also teach them a little about gear optimisation, and maybe in the future they may become more comfortable using 2 bars, leaning away from Oakensoul, if they so chose to do so.
So while I don't shame people who use HA builds and that I am glad that SOME of them are doing more dps 2 bar builds, there is no shame if you're doing less dps, because at least you're trying to learn this game.
So while I don't shame people who use HA builds and that I am glad that SOME of them are doing more dps 2 bar builds, there is no shame if you're doing less dps, because at least you're trying to learn this game.
I think this is the crux. Why would utilizing a 2 bar build be "trying to learn this game". ESO is clearly stated as being able to be played in many different ways. So why should 2 bar builds be mandatory?
Some people like it, and others would prefer a different way of playing. One way is not more correct than another.
So while I don't shame people who use HA builds and that I am glad that SOME of them are doing more dps 2 bar builds, there is no shame if you're doing less dps, because at least you're trying to learn this game.
I think this is the crux. Why would utilizing a 2 bar build be "trying to learn this game". ESO is clearly stated as being able to be played in many different ways. So why should 2 bar builds be mandatory?
Some people like it, and others would prefer a different way of playing. One way is not more correct than another.
"...Your investment should be learning the game, and not be attached to your gear/race/class/etc
Blackbird_V wrote: »as a HA user myself even I feel like im cheating lol
but don't nerf OS, it's only empower that's way too op rn
Yeah I have to agree empower is a massive issue. Either give it Minor/Major treatment and put Major Empower on Galenwe set, or remove Empower from Oakensoul. It reduces to raw power of the ring, while keeping the other QoL benefits it provides. If people still want Empower, then they can always use a Templar, have someone Run Aegis of Galenwe, or even Rage of the Ursauk.
Us 2 bar players/Vet raiders optimise by having people run sets/classes that can provide these buffs, and it's not too much to ask that oakensoul players can do this too. It'd also teach them a little about gear optimisation, and maybe in the future they may become more comfortable using 2 bars, leaning away from Oakensoul, if they so chose to do so.
Blackbird_V wrote: »as a HA user myself even I feel like im cheating lol
but don't nerf OS, it's only empower that's way too op rn
Yeah I have to agree empower is a massive issue. Either give it Minor/Major treatment and put Major Empower on Galenwe set, or remove Empower from Oakensoul. It reduces to raw power of the ring, while keeping the other QoL benefits it provides. If people still want Empower, then they can always use a Templar, have someone Run Aegis of Galenwe, or even Rage of the Ursauk.
Us 2 bar players/Vet raiders optimise by having people run sets/classes that can provide these buffs, and it's not too much to ask that oakensoul players can do this too. It'd also teach them a little about gear optimisation, and maybe in the future they may become more comfortable using 2 bars, leaning away from Oakensoul, if they so chose to do so.
Why is this treated as some fundamental truth? Why does raiding need to be tied to utilizing two bars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBpQ2hbKe0Blackbird_V wrote: »So while I don't shame people who use HA builds and that I am glad that SOME of them are doing more dps 2 bar builds, there is no shame if you're doing less dps, because at least you're trying to learn this game.
I think this is the crux. Why would utilizing a 2 bar build be "trying to learn this game". ESO is clearly stated as being able to be played in many different ways. So why should 2 bar builds be mandatory?
Some people like it, and others would prefer a different way of playing. One way is not more correct than another.
Whilst not mandatory - it can be a massive hindrance. In normal content like overland, or normal dungeons then you can get away with it for the most part, but more more recent DLC dungeons not so much. As for Veteran Dungeons and Trials, especially Veteran Trial HM's and DLC's & their Hard Modes, having access to 2 bars is a massive benefit as you can have self-heals, shields, bit more DOTs on enemies and bosses. To each their own though.
biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »Blackbird_V wrote: »as a HA user myself even I feel like im cheating lol
but don't nerf OS, it's only empower that's way too op rn
Yeah I have to agree empower is a massive issue. Either give it Minor/Major treatment and put Major Empower on Galenwe set, or remove Empower from Oakensoul. It reduces to raw power of the ring, while keeping the other QoL benefits it provides. If people still want Empower, then they can always use a Templar, have someone Run Aegis of Galenwe, or even Rage of the Ursauk.
Us 2 bar players/Vet raiders optimise by having people run sets/classes that can provide these buffs, and it's not too much to ask that oakensoul players can do this too. It'd also teach them a little about gear optimisation, and maybe in the future they may become more comfortable using 2 bars, leaning away from Oakensoul, if they so chose to do so.
With respect you seem to be missing the point of Oakensoul and making assumptions about those who use it.
What does an optimised group have to do with a person running their own buffs, as for gear optimisation I fail to see what the ring has to do with that? I am cp 2610 so no newbie.
I agree with your empower suggestions
Blackbird_V wrote: »So while I don't shame people who use HA builds and that I am glad that SOME of them are doing more dps 2 bar builds, there is no shame if you're doing less dps, because at least you're trying to learn this game.
I think this is the crux. Why would utilizing a 2 bar build be "trying to learn this game". ESO is clearly stated as being able to be played in many different ways. So why should 2 bar builds be mandatory?
Some people like it, and others would prefer a different way of playing. One way is not more correct than another.
Whilst not mandatory - it can be a massive hindrance. In normal content like overland, or normal dungeons then you can get away with it for the most part, but more more recent DLC dungeons not so much. As for Veteran Dungeons and Trials, especially Veteran Trial HM's and DLC's & their Hard Modes, having access to 2 bars is a massive benefit as you can have self-heals, shields, bit more DOTs on enemies and bosses. To each their own though.
Agreed that 2 bars allow more flexibility, and honestly I would like to see more of that usage, where a second bar could be an utility bar. I.e. one bar being sufficient for DPS. (of course that would not work with oakensoul)
But to get to that point one first need to get into the raids and learn the mechanics. That is imo where the difficulty should lie, in executing the mechanics, not to have a massive hill to learn ones kit.
Blackbird_V wrote: »So while I don't shame people who use HA builds and that I am glad that SOME of them are doing more dps 2 bar builds, there is no shame if you're doing less dps, because at least you're trying to learn this game.
I think this is the crux. Why would utilizing a 2 bar build be "trying to learn this game". ESO is clearly stated as being able to be played in many different ways. So why should 2 bar builds be mandatory?
Some people like it, and others would prefer a different way of playing. One way is not more correct than another.
Whilst not mandatory - it can be a massive hindrance. In normal content like overland, or normal dungeons then you can get away with it for the most part, but more more recent DLC dungeons not so much. As for Veteran Dungeons and Trials, especially Veteran Trial HM's and DLC's & their Hard Modes, having access to 2 bars is a massive benefit as you can have self-heals, shields, bit more DOTs on enemies and bosses. To each their own though.
Agreed that 2 bars allow more flexibility, and honestly I would like to see more of that usage, where a second bar could be an utility bar. I.e. one bar being sufficient for DPS. (of course that would not work with oakensoul)
But to get to that point one first need to get into the raids and learn the mechanics. That is imo where the difficulty should lie, in executing the mechanics, not to have a massive hill to learn ones kit.
Just saying before CP and before Oakensoul, people were learning how trials work. So it's also not necessarily true that Oakensoul IS the best route to learning trial mechanics.
Blackbird_V wrote: »So while I don't shame people who use HA builds and that I am glad that SOME of them are doing more dps 2 bar builds, there is no shame if you're doing less dps, because at least you're trying to learn this game.
I think this is the crux. Why would utilizing a 2 bar build be "trying to learn this game". ESO is clearly stated as being able to be played in many different ways. So why should 2 bar builds be mandatory?
Some people like it, and others would prefer a different way of playing. One way is not more correct than another.
Whilst not mandatory - it can be a massive hindrance. In normal content like overland, or normal dungeons then you can get away with it for the most part, but more more recent DLC dungeons not so much. As for Veteran Dungeons and Trials, especially Veteran Trial HM's and DLC's & their Hard Modes, having access to 2 bars is a massive benefit as you can have self-heals, shields, bit more DOTs on enemies and bosses. To each their own though.
Agreed that 2 bars allow more flexibility, and honestly I would like to see more of that usage, where a second bar could be an utility bar. I.e. one bar being sufficient for DPS. (of course that would not work with oakensoul)
But to get to that point one first need to get into the raids and learn the mechanics. That is imo where the difficulty should lie, in executing the mechanics, not to have a massive hill to learn ones kit.