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Why don’t HM dungeons drop a gold monster helm.?
Animar111
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Normal mode purple HM gold…..Why not..?
Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 12, 2023 6:44PM 9
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭After rereading your post, I'm going to assume that if vet hard mode is cleared, you think the gear drops should be better in comparison to a regular vet clear.
Some DLC dungeons on hard mode really hurt like a *insert expletive,* so I don't see why not.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
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- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
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- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
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- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
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- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
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- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
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- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
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- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
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- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
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- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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ZOS_IcymodGreetings,
This thread has been moved to the Dungeons, Trials & Arenas section, as it is better suited there.
Thank you for your understanding.
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Blood_again✭✭✭✭✭I think delve bosses have to drop gold items too. It is literally hardmode, if I kill them without a companion.5 -
RealLoveBVB✭✭✭✭✭Gold upgraders would pretty much lose their value, because everyone would just spam some easy base game dungeons and farm those mats.9 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭1st monster met in the tutorial should drop me a full GOLD gear sets of all possible current FOTM specs, because I did it without companion, extra raid group and mom said I'm cool and special.
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DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The better question is why do trials and vet dungeons give you cp 150 items from containers.5 -
Hamfast✭✭✭✭I started playing this game in Beta, one of the things that attracted me was "The best gear in the game will be Crafted"...
Then around 2016 there was a person with Zos/Bethesda that was pushing that better (gold) gear should be dropping from things, and I for one complained because that would directly refute the original promise that the best gear in the game would be crafted. (2016 QuakeCon, the year of Jason's Hair lest you need reminding.)
Please note that while some gold jewelry can be gained in Vet Trials and from the Golden Vendor, Gear is Purple (Epic)...
The best gear in the game is still made by crafters, even if that is only upgrading it to Legendary Status (Gold) and I for one think it should remain that way, take the time to level your crafter up, then you can gold up your own gear.Of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most...3 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Because people would farm FG1 HM and tank the value of gold mats.
I would not be opposed to a small chance to drop a gold helm or jewelry, but a guaranteed drop would be a bad idea. Now to be clear, I do think we need some downward pressure on gold mat prices, but this would open an easy pipeline to gold mats.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on February 9, 2023 5:39PM5 -
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For the simple reason that HM already gives a greatly increased reward, guaranteed motif if doing DLC dungeons and 2x style page drop rate if one is dropping for that dungeon. Giving gold gear would devalue the gold mats since you could deconstruct them.Normal mode purple HM gold…..Why not..?
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bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As others have said people would just farm a bunch of the easiest dungeons hard modes, for the gold upgrade mats to sell or use themselves, not much point refining if you can decon and get a load of gold mats instead.2 -
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For the simple reason that HM already gives a greatly increased reward, guaranteed motif if doing DLC dungeons and 2x style page drop rate if one is dropping for that dungeon. Giving gold gear would devalue the gold mats since you could deconstruct them.Normal mode purple HM gold…..Why not..?
I might be wrong but you only need to get the HM achievement once to get increased chance at the style page, once you clear once you get the HM drop chance on regular vet. I believe a mod confirmed this.
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✭✭✭✭Nchuleftingth wrote: »
For the simple reason that HM already gives a greatly increased reward, guaranteed motif if doing DLC dungeons and 2x style page drop rate if one is dropping for that dungeon. Giving gold gear would devalue the gold mats since you could deconstruct them.Normal mode purple HM gold…..Why not..?
I might be wrong but you only need to get the HM achievement once to get increased chance at the style page, once you clear once you get the HM drop chance on regular vet. I believe a mod confirmed this.
Style page != motif page.
Every vet dungeon comes with a crafting motif. You have about a 1% or so chance of getting a motif page on normal, about 50% chance on vet, and it's guaranteed on Hard Mode. These are the purple pages.
The mask style pages are the gold ones and are only in the outfit station. IIRC the rate is about a 2.5% on vet and 5% if you have the HM achievement, but only when the respective arms pack is available in the Crown Store.1 -
Kappachi✭✭✭✭Nchuleftingth wrote: »
For the simple reason that HM already gives a greatly increased reward, guaranteed motif if doing DLC dungeons and 2x style page drop rate if one is dropping for that dungeon. Giving gold gear would devalue the gold mats since you could deconstruct them.Normal mode purple HM gold…..Why not..?
I might be wrong but you only need to get the HM achievement once to get increased chance at the style page, once you clear once you get the HM drop chance on regular vet. I believe a mod confirmed this.
Still requires that first HM clear and that's a massive reward & more than enough reward for anyone looking to make money off dungeons.0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »The better question is why do trials and vet dungeons give you cp 150 items from containers.
I agree. After all, many trials make dungeons look like easy street.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Because people would farm FG1 HM and tank the value of gold mats.
and this. To many of the dungeons are far to easy even on HM.
Edited by Amottica on February 10, 2023 3:02AM0 -
FantasticFreddie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ngl, gold jewelry dropping from dlc dungeon hardmodes would make me 1000000% more likely to do them1 -
Animar111✭✭✭✭If it was just the new dungeons the ones where you have to do three bosses on HM compared to the others are much harder and deserve a greater reward.0
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El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Because people would farm FG1 HM and tank the value of gold mats.
I would not be opposed to a small chance to drop a gold helm or jewelry, but a guaranteed drop would be a bad idea. Now to be clear, I do think we need some downward pressure on gold mat prices, but this would open an easy pipeline to gold mats.
First, I agree that FG1 would be the ultimate gold mat farm. But as a counterpoint, you can do the same with vHRC and vAA farms for gold jewelry mats and get gold mats from daily crafting writs.
The idea of a gold monster helm for HM is an idea I fully support.0 -
M0ntie✭✭✭✭✭Especially HM DLC dungeons need better drops. I'd suggest more undaunted keys.
Normal 1 key
Vet 2 keys
Vet HM 3 keys.
Also I don't see the problem with making the helm gold. Have you seen the price of gold upgrade mats recently? Its insane! Reducing the price of gold upgrade mats by increasing supply is a great idea. Maybe just make the helm that drops on the first clear gold - that would stop vFGhm farms.0
