Sarannah wrote: »

ZOS will never do something like this, for one simple reason: They would have to take responsibility for every transaction through that new system. Which would create so much work for the customerservice, besides creating the new system in the first place.

And if I'm not mistaken, technically exchanging crowns for gold isn't allowed at all, even though ZOS does not actively punish players for doing this.

Gina provided us a post some time ago which stated we are allowed Crown sales. It is legitimate yet she also said its a 'buyer beware' sort of thing and this is also true.

Although I can agree with your first point. But pair that with the fact it generates so much extra revenue for the game. And that's what I was saying is most people looking to buy at least aren't scammers so this can be a very good thing.

Or we can simply skip the 3th person who is just here to take a part of the price. Pay less gold [snip]

[edited for baiting]

As somebody who helps out at one of the Crown Discords.

Please ZoS. Please implement this. We've been asking for it for years. We're only trying to provide a safe service for those that want to trade, yet we get called every name under the sun for doing so.

Please create a safe, in-game, method for exchanges.

It doesnt have to be that much automated like in GW2, it can simply be ability to transfer Crowns to another person in trade window like Warframe does with its paid currency.

ZoS won't lose money because Crowns need to be bought somewhere, it will just change hands officially. Person trading gold for crowns would not buy crowns in the first place anyway.

Vulkunne wrote: »

p4l4mu7 wrote: »

Crown exchange is already a big part of the game however we have to relly on discord servers while buying and selling crowns, we have to pay a fortune to middleman, we have to deal with scammers and then there is this random gold/crown exchange rate based on absolutely nothing.

We could really benefit from an ingame exchange tab controlled by the developers themselves. Guild Wars 2 already has this system and prices scale on based on the purchases made in game in real time and it works perfectly, Eso has no reason to really on third party management for crown exchange.

As long as Crowns cost $$$ this will not work. If they switch over to Gold exchange directly then the game will not make as much $$$. ESO is an older game and part of what keeps it around is the fact it is still profitable for the company. Eliminating Crown sales in this manner sounds good but it will hurt the game in the long run.

Another thing too, you guys come onto the forums to complain about the Crowns price but if they do this Crowns, much like Tel Vars, would become virtually worthless. Everything in life is not free and getting something on demand costs something. If there is no risk there should no reward worth getting.

If you'd read the topic before commenting you'd have seen this is not changing the fact that crowns are paid for by real money, it's simply putting the exchange within the game and within ZOS's control instead of relying on player-run services where you have to hope the person vouching for the trader isn't just in on the scam.

If you want to complain about other people not reading or understanding the information available to them it's a good idea to make sure you're not making exactly the same mistake first.

Danikat wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

p4l4mu7 wrote: »

Crown exchange is already a big part of the game however we have to relly on discord servers while buying and selling crowns, we have to pay a fortune to middleman, we have to deal with scammers and then there is this random gold/crown exchange rate based on absolutely nothing.

We could really benefit from an ingame exchange tab controlled by the developers themselves. Guild Wars 2 already has this system and prices scale on based on the purchases made in game in real time and it works perfectly, Eso has no reason to really on third party management for crown exchange.

As long as Crowns cost $$$ this will not work. If they switch over to Gold exchange directly then the game will not make as much $$$. ESO is an older game and part of what keeps it around is the fact it is still profitable for the company. Eliminating Crown sales in this manner sounds good but it will hurt the game in the long run.

Another thing too, you guys come onto the forums to complain about the Crowns price but if they do this Crowns, much like Tel Vars, would become virtually worthless. Everything in life is not free and getting something on demand costs something. If there is no risk there should no reward worth getting.

If you'd read the topic before commenting you'd have seen this is not changing the fact that crowns are paid for by real money, it's simply putting the exchange within the game and within ZOS's control instead of relying on player-run services where you have to hope the person vouching for the trader isn't just in on the scam.

If you want to complain about other people not reading or understanding the information available to them it's a good idea to make sure you're not making exactly the same mistake first.

I'm no stranger to sarcasm.

That said, if you had uh.. saw/seen... looked at? (one of those) their uploaded screen image you would have noticed the diamonds have a gold conversion option next to them. Meaning gold could be traded directly and this is also an opinion expressed in this thread and others, of which I sometimes participate in but not always. Hence I'm posting more frequently on this one.

I am going by what the op posted and the conversation here after the fact, one which frequently targets 'the middle man' and this points to not buying Crowns at all with actual real world currency. This makes sense if you think about it because in these conversations you frequently see people complaining about the price of Crowns. Therefore if the seller element is replaced by a direct vendor and the price were fixed you might as well buy Crowns with gold. Especially since there may also be a reverse option to sell Crowns for gold. Hence, the Crowns market would be pretty much over and you'd all be forced to take whatever ZOS gives you. But they don't just want an interface to 'safely' conduct business they want a fixed price too.

Maybe I'm a step or two ahead but like I said, be careful what you wish for.

Secondly, I always respect others right to freedom of speech and anytime anyone has an issue with anything I have said, they are most welcome to discuss it with me either here or on the side. If they have an issue with me let them talk to me. They don't need a 3rd party to speak for them

But let's not lose sight of the main point. No one cares about safety or fairness for other players. Nope. They're pissed about the price of the Crowns. That's the whole driving force behind the conversation is they want something, like Tel Vars, but don't want to risk or pay for it. Therefore someone is always posting stuff like this which might give you what you want but will also fundamentally transform the game because ESO is not other games.

Anytime people start talking about fairness and keeping people safe... watch out. Its sad and I'm sorry to say it but many times there's deception at work.

TaSheen wrote: »

Unlikely. The way it works now, ZOS still sells crowns for RL money; some of those crowns are resold in game for gold, but ZOS always gets their money. They're not very likely to cut their own monetization with gold to crowns in game exchange, and almost certainly would not set up a gem exchange.

Agree.Now selling an crown coffer with 1000 crowns, for 1000 crowns would be an good idea if that coffer then could be traded like other coffers.
I think more people would have used this as the crown sale discord is quite a hassle to use

perfiction wrote: »

Doubt it will happen, but adding cash on delivery system for crown gifts would be a step in the right direction to 1. reduce scams; 2. move crown trading out of the gray area.

This!

Just add a simple option to the screen "Purchase as a gift" in the crownstore. C.O.D. with amount of gold - similar to ingame mail, with gold being directed by mail to the gifter.
The process will become safe with minimal changes from developers' side.

Everything else stays unchanged. The same no price regulation. No direct trading from ZoS side, which could cause questions.
Both benefactors get their gold/gift. ZoS had their crowns sold prior. Everybody's happy.

"If ZoS/Microsoft decided to embrace this, they could simply make possible to (1) "gift" crown items with COD gold and (2) give option to delete the crown item and refund the crowns if receiver does not claim and pay the gold for the "gift". Reasonably simple to implement if they wanted to."

Purchasing items with crowns is an action taken outside the game. They would need to change how the guild store works to make this happen. They probably also would have to allow everybody to return unwanted items. Each crown/gold trade is three separate transactions. Somewhere along the line crowns are purchased. Then the item in the store is purchased. These transactions are recorded outside the game. Another transaction takes place in game to actually exchange item for gold.

"This proposal takes away from the interactions I’ve been having with players that want to contribute to this companies’ pockets, as they would no longer need me; or my in-game wealth, I would be cut out.

Is that fair?"

yeah, so long as it is applied to everybody evenly. As is you are profiting from what many see as a shortfall in the game. Is it fair they spend extra gold hoping the transaction is a bit more secure?

kargen27 wrote: »

"That said, if you had uh.. saw/seen... looked at? (one of those) their uploaded screen image you would have noticed the diamonds have a gold conversion option next to them"

This is from the image. "Players trade gold and gems with each other through this exchange."

Most in this thread assume the crowns would still be purchased by players that would then list them through some secure means.
I wouldn't mind seeing a secure system in game but I am fairly sure it would result in crown prices increasing significantly. Many players are leery of buying crowns now even with using a broker in discord. A secure in game system would greatly increase demand meaning higher prices that may never adjust back down.
It took the crown prices a very long time to come down after the spike when we could start gifting houses. To combat the overwhelming demand crown exchanges started putting limits on the number of homes you could have gifted to you. A secure system in game would create a much larger demand than the home gifting did.

Even knowing I would have to spend more for crown items I want I still would like to see a secure way in game for players to trade crowns for gold. A stumbling block is that crowns are not an in game item. So actually players are trading items bought with crowns for gold. That is why a pay on delivery system will not work without some reworking crowns. The items purchased can't be returned so the player buying them would be stuck if the person they were going to exchange with backed out.
Gold would have to be put in limbo and released to the other player once the items are purchased and actually offered to the player wanting the crown items.
Whatever they do if they do anything the market should be player driven and not manipulated by the developers.

Yeah. Well they could do that. I dunno its like I don't care whether they do or they don't. Its just I know that this Crown sales business works well for me and also works great for those that I do business with, being able to obtain game content that they would ordinarily need to pay for directly. Its like, for some of us this is our thing ok.

Its kind of like the phenomena where you find something good, you have a good thing going and here comes everyone else and by the time they're done with its over for everyone. I came from very humble beginnings with this game and you know, I know lots of ways of making gold and such but I don't come on the forums announcing it you know?

I mean I dunno me and the others who take part in this don't have the problems we're accused of having and neither are we out to mess with people. You know, if you don't like the price, or you have a problem with others making gold or maybe its an issue with capitalism or whichever.. i dunno whatever it is just let it go and go somewhere else please.

Go back to your favorite game and stop trying to ruin what is a good thing for the rest of us. If you don't understand it you don't like it then fine I get that. Life is not fair. I just don't think so many people should do without and not be able to enjoy this business because a couple of salt throwers wanna make everything fair. Fair is deceptive because how do we measure what's fair? Do we use your law or mine? Yeah you could have the devs step in, sure but guess what?

Be careful what you wish for. And if they do mess this up, I want everyone of you guys (especially those who want to force everything to change for them) on here to apologize to the community for taking away our ability to buy or sell Crowns. I mean none of us are breaking down anybody's door trying to force others to change the way they like to spend their money.

Peace.

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Just no, it’s basically an auction center for crowns.

I am 100% against it.

We have that regardless due to rules agsaint it basically being impossible to enforce, however supply an offical location would make scams and ripping people off a hell of a lot harder to achieve

This system really needs to be implemented. Not only does it make every single transaction completely secure, but also literal zero chance of being scammed when using the system. The way that Guild Wars 2 has this done is by introducing a forced tax between the exchange so no one can "flip" and destabilize the rates in an attempt to make profits from it, which makes the exchange rate not easily manipulated. It's also true that the gems HAVE to be purchased from a player and put through this exchange to then be purchased for gold. The only times I've ever seen the rates get messed up is when there are sales or new items that are very popular and it makes sense for the rates to be impacted. This is not about "fixing" or changing the gold rates in ESO, honestly who cares about that as there are an unfathomable amount of ways of earning gold in no time in this game and there are plenty of people who buy crowns regularly or gain them from the ESO+ subscription, AND the occasional crown sales. It's all about having the safest and quickest way of doing something ZOS explicitly allows in their game, but are completely aware that anyone can scam the other out of their currency and now Support has to get involved in not only reversing the damage, but also punishing the scammer. There are literally no downsides to this, especially if the amount of gold that can be exchanged between players does not change, as they can continue with the old system to offer more favorable rates (but still carries the same risk of scamming).

ForzaRammer wrote: »

notyuu wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Just no, it’s basically an auction center for crowns.

I am 100% against it.

We have that regardless due to rules agsaint it basically being impossible to enforce, however supply an offical location would make scams and ripping people off a hell of a lot harder to achieve

The central exchange will also take away the haggling and shop around, no thx.

And eliminate scamming, reducing the load on customer support and improving the customer experience.