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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/684716
Forced Lockpicking secretly nerfed in January.
Forced lockpicking needs to be changed back to what it was before the patch before the dragon event in January.
AND no its not RNG so just stop. I honestly can't believe that literally the entire player base is perfectly fine with the nerf or entirely unaware of it and or there's some kind of farming protection code (like resetting instances from farming too much), its a pointless and annoying nerf and it needs to be changed back. It used to rarely fail now it fails half the time or more. Apparently I'm a master thief but just can't do locks. Stupid. It was perfect the way it was.
And don't give me that balancing clap trap. It needs to be changed it back.
AND no its not RNG so just stop. I honestly can't believe that literally the entire player base is perfectly fine with the nerf or entirely unaware of it and or there's some kind of farming protection code (like resetting instances from farming too much), its a pointless and annoying nerf and it needs to be changed back. It used to rarely fail now it fails half the time or more. Apparently I'm a master thief but just can't do locks. Stupid. It was perfect the way it was.
And don't give me that balancing clap trap. It needs to be changed it back.
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TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why force locks? Picking is simple and quick.______________________________________________________
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Grizzbeorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Whatever you are experiencing, it's RNG.
Lock forcing has not changed. It's working the same way that it always has.
Edited by Grizzbeorn on February 27, 2023 2:37PM10 -
Snamyap✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. I haven't noticed a change.Edited by Snamyap on February 27, 2023 2:36PM17 -
Anumaril✭✭✭✭✭I've noticed this too. I come across some chests that have 60% chance of forcing, yet I go through about 10 lockpicks every single time I try to force their locks.
Forcing locks in ESO never feels like the % it displays on the tooltip, so I almost religiously pick the lock manually to avoid it.6 -
loosej✭✭✭✭✭While I won't discount the possibility of rng, I have had the same feeling in the same timeframe. Thing is though, it feels more like it's fixed than nerfed. Before this, lockpick chances always seemed lower than the % displayed when I had no skill points invested in the legerdemain passive, and higher than displayed with a maxed out passive. Now it feels like the % chance displayed is a more realistic representation of my actual chances. But it's not like I'm keeping a log of every attempt, so who knows. On the one hand it's not in any patch notes, so it would make sense to assume it's just rng. On the other hand, this is eso, so it's not unrealistic that changes/fixes in one part of the game have consequences in an entirely different part of it.Consistency: It's only a virtue if you're not a screwup (source: despair.com)2 -
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Forcing it's even faster. Handy for those moments when you need to be as fast as possible (eg PvP/PvEvP zones)Why force locks? Picking is simple and quick."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2360 CP
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✭✭✭✭✭redlink1979 wrote: »
Ah. I'm never in that situation!______________________________________________________
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My anecdotal evidence says otherwise, and I was forcing a LOT of locks the past week, far more than usual, to get the last lead for the Markyn Ring of Majesty. Sometimes Master locks break on the first try; sometimes I have to try two or three times on a Simple. Same as always.
(Edit: And yes, I know how to pick locks and do so on my characters still leveling up Ledgerdemain. I really didn’t feel like clicking that much, or even paying that much attention, with how many chests I had to go through for that lead.
) Edited by Araneae6537 on February 27, 2023 4:12PM1 -
Grizzbeorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ITS NOT RNG. Its consistent and it was never like this before the patch.
It's RNG. It's not consistent; it's random.
I have times when it takes me 2-3, or 3-6 attempts to successfully force a lock, amidst all of the times when it just takes one attempt, and it has been like that for years.
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✭✭✭✭✭I just really don’t think you know how statistics works. You can never go off of vibes, from the naked eye many things look statistically significant but in reality they are not. Additionally, we remember and recognize negativity better than positivity, and the belief that there is something wrong can make you search for further evidence that there is something wrong. There is no reason logically for it to be nerfed, either. If there is any change it’d be best to frame it as the possibility of a bug.PC/NA Dungeoneer (Tank/DPS/Heal), Trialist (DPS/Tank/Heal), and amateur Battlegrounder (DPS) with a passion for The Elder Scrolls lore- CP 2000+
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Cazador✭✭✭✭✭If it has supposedly been nerfed then I must have been given a buff then. I've had better luck forcing locks lately.
It's rng. If you have a 90% chance at success sometimes the 10% failure chance will happen.1 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why would they nerf forcing locks? It's not like lockpicking was unbalanced or giving an unfair advantage to anyone. The loot in the chest is the same whether the lock is picked or forced open. Nothing changed.PCNA5 -
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✭✭If you want to prove your point on intermediate chests you can get an infinite amount of chests to lockpick in the thieve's guild heist daily.1 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »
Um. I only pick locks on chests.... and I'm never in a hurry. (Doesn't include safeboxes - I've only picked 8 of those, which is what it took to get 6 leads for the Oakensoul ring.)Edited by TaSheen on February 27, 2023 5:34PM______________________________________________________
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Paralyse✭✭✭✭✭If anything, it's gotten better for me this year!
I still have like a 90%+ success rate on force lock.
I haven't had to buy a 200-stack of lockpicks in a couple of months now.
For some reason, Simple and Intermediate chests break picks more often than Advanced and Master chests, at least in my experience.
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✭✭I usually just do teh pick-minigame. BUT in my anecdotal experience from when I've not bothered it's just another aspect of the gaem where the tool tip does not agree with the real probability .0 -
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✭✭Outside of rare instances during Heists there really is no reason to force a lock. I don't even spend points into that passive anymore.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Finedaible wrote: »Outside of rare instances during Heists there really is no reason to force a lock. I don't even spend points into that passive anymore.
While in a PvP zone should be one of those rare instances. Another should be when you've just broken 5 picks in a row trying to pick a Master lock and finally force the lock in disgust (and it pops open on the first attempt). Yeah, I know that the Master locks supposedly seem to be the easiest to pick-- but that really depends on how easily and quickly you can get your stupid mouse to hover over and stay on a pin so you can start pressing down on it.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »seems like it's probably just RNG.
I agree.
Similarly, we have seen people suggest getting upgrade matts from refining is nerfed but we have someone who has kept records of this over the years from refining materials gained from many characters and I think across multiple accounts that have demonstrated those claims there is been a change is inaccurate.
Unfortunatly we do not have such an expert for forcing locks but there is no reason for it to have changed.
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