Merge Stamina and Magicka

SilverWF · January 2023

Since it doesn't really matter anymore, why not just merge both Stamina and Magicka?

Let's say, new resourse would be named as Energy

So, both Stamina + Magicka would be Energy

Stamina + Magicka regen would be Energy regen

Weapon damage and Spell damage would be converted to Power

All skills will require and spend Energy to cast, and their damage/heal value would be affected by Power.

Elem or Martial types would stay tho, this is cool mech.

What do you think?

Tandor · January 2023

No

There's nothing wrong with separate stamina, magicka, and hybrid builds in my experience since launch. I'm fine with their separate identities, and I'd hate to further trivialise the game by merging them. This is a non-issue.

TaSheen · January 2023

No

I like things the way they are now. I don't want all my multitude of characters to be "all the same".

SilverWF · January 2023

Yes

Tandor wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with separate stamina, magicka, and hybrid builds in my experience since launch. I'm fine with their separate identities, and I'd hate to further trivialise the game by merging them. This is a non-issue.

This game is already casualed and trivilaized by insane level, this will break nothing more as it is atm )

kargen27 · January 2023

No

If it doesn't matter why merge?

It does matter though. If I roll dodge or block on my magicka characters it doesn't eat into my main resource. With some tank builds it matters. Stamina and magicka being separate allows more control with how a player decides to use their tank.

SilverWF · January 2023

Yes

kargen27 wrote: »

If it doesn't matter why merge?

It does matter though. If I roll dodge or block on my magicka characters it doesn't eat into my main resource. With some tank builds it matters. Stamina and magicka being separate allows more control with how a player decides to use their tank.

You will have Stamina + Magicka pool

Also, you wont be able to perma block and when your Stam low just use some Mag skill and return shton Stam back

[snip]
[edited for baiting]

Necrotech_Master · January 2023

No

having a health, magicka, and stamina bar in my opinion is a defining part of the elder scrolls experience

also dont want to see things being dumbed down anymore, i think its at a good spot right now

Dr_Con · February 2023

No

adding fuel to a fire is not the way

OBJnoob · February 2023

No

This would be the ultimate "hybridization," and while I haven't really been against hybridization thus far I would be against this. You can use any ability you want now and it'll be effective regardless of which resource is higher. But you still need to be able to sustain, so there is still a little bit of skill and deviation (from other people,) in how you do it.

This would just make it so nothing at all effected your ability choices and everybody would immediately become the same. Basically what people complain about already but to a much higher degree.

I do not think this would "make us use our brain" I think this would dumb things down incredibly.

WrathOfInnos · February 2023

Mostly Yes

I don't love the idea of merging them, but I believe it's the only solution to balance sustain. The hybrid builds have been a fun an interesting addition to ESO, but they created a problem: hybrids have double the sustain of single resource build. This resulted in all group sustain sets falling out of use, and the niche pure magicka or pure stamina builds being nearly impossible to sustain.

I don't think it's necessary to rename the resource, just make all abilities consume magicka (even the weapon lines), and leave stamina for dodge, block, roll, sprint and break free. It was similar to this in the early days, and the movement toward more and more stamina skills no longer makes sense.

Ksariyu · February 2023

Mostly No

I've been into the idea of merging the basic damage stats (Damage and Crit instead of Weapon Damage and Weapon Crit). Especially now but even before, these seemed a bit redundant when we already had bonus modifiers at the flame, shock, bleed, etc. level.

Resources though I think have to stay. Not only is Magicka and Stamina a staple mechanic in the Elder Scrolls, it is also the foundation for a true hybrid build. Balancing the usage and recovery of each resource is supposed to be the minigame that makes hybrids actually feel different to play than pure builds, and can provide opportunities for ZoS to add mechanics related to that minigame to further diversify the gameplay within that build category.

INM · February 2023

They will make that all skills would scale off combination of magicka and stamina instead.

Turtle_Bot · February 2023

No

I get where you're coming from with the hybridization changes making the differences when choosing between them negligible, but it is an elder scrolls game and all elder scrolls games have both mag and stam as core resources for doing things.

emilyhyoyeon · February 2023

No

and hybridization was a mistake

flizomica · February 2023

No

Nope, separate stamina/magicka/health resource pools are core to elder scrolls games.

I would however like to see damage scale off your combined stamina and magicka pools (while retaining the same overall damage scaling relative to current scaling) to better cope with hybridization. IMO it makes no sense to be incentivized to use skills from both resource pools while being punished if you want to split your resource allocation.

Caligamy_ESO · February 2023

No

SilverWF wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with separate stamina, magicka, and hybrid builds in my experience since launch. I'm fine with their separate identities, and I'd hate to further trivialise the game by merging them. This is a non-issue.

This game is already casualed and trivilaized by insane level, this will break nothing more as it is atm )

*dodges two mechanics and can't cast anything*

AvalonRanger · February 2023

Mostly No

SilverWF wrote: »

Since it doesn't really matter anymore, why not just merge both Stamina and Magicka?

Let's say, new resourse would be named as Energy

So, both Stamina + Magicka would be Energy

Stamina + Magicka regen would be Energy regen

Weapon damage and Spell damage would be converted to Power

All skills will require and spend Energy to cast, and their damage/heal value would be affected by Power.

Elem or Martial types would stay tho, this is cool mech.

What do you think?

Your logic is totally correct as action game design. However, ESO is more like traditional RPG.
Immersion is more important rather than just game system. I don't want to see "Gandalf" who acts like
martial arts specialist in the fantasy world. And, warrior type player should be more athletic appearance.
So, we need specific weapon based on different combat energy element.

I want to keep both element for the "ROLE PLAYING GAME".

Ei8htba11 · February 2023

No

No, there's already some dilution of class identity, imagine if everyone used the same resources for spell or stabbing.. nope.

Also, I have mainly stam characters that also use a magicka skill to offset some of the cost and allow for regaining stam in the cooldown.

and.. I'd like there to be at least some forward thinking in build and combat instead of dumbing everything down... might as well turn eso into a mobile game at that point

Bat · February 2023

Mostly Yes

They already decided that Dragonknights should have be subjected to the "stamina and magicka class spammable" nonsense even though not a single person playing Dragonknights wanted that nor asked for it. I'd rather have 1 resource than this sustain nightmare ZOS decided to put my mains in. But most of all I just wish they reverted the nonsense.

Agenericname · February 2023

No

As a single bar, no. Tanks use both; one for block, dodge, bash, and some abilties. Then the other for abilities, except in those cases where someone may use magicka for blocking. Managing those 2, 3 if you count health, resources adds something to the role. Without it, it would be pretty boring.

OBJnoob · February 2023

No

DKs win. What's to understand? And why would we make a change this big just for one class?

SilverWF · February 2023

Yes

This is just a suggestion

Yes, I know, ooooooooooooooooooooooold ES games has this TWO resourses.

But ooooooooooooold ES games has many more, that were gone or changed in later games and specifically in the ESO.

Why bother with this obviously outdated mech?

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I don't think it's necessary to rename the resource, just make all abilities consume magicka (even the weapon lines), and leave stamina for dodge, block, roll, sprint and break free. It was similar to this in the early days, and the movement toward more and more stamina skills no longer makes sense.

Also I agree with this

But there is way too much who will cry from this, only because they wanna be "hybrids" and "not the same as everyone around" (despite the fact every1 around are the same hybrids, lol)

VaranisArano · February 2023

SilverWF wrote: »

This is just a suggestion

Yes, I know, ooooooooooooooooooooooold ES games has this TWO resourses.

But ooooooooooooold ES games has many more, that were gone or changed in later games and specifically in the ESO.

Why bother with this obviously outdated mech?

Last I checked, Skyrim is still flogging anniversary editions. Until that changes, I'd be pretty surprised if ESO gives up one of its major visual connections to the most popular game in the main series.

SilverWF · February 2023

Yes

I bet if ZOS will actually do this, all you 'NO's will applause and scream from happiness

TaSheen · February 2023

No

SilverWF wrote: »

I bet if ZOS will actually do this, all you 'NO's will applause and scream from happiness

I wouldn't. I'd quit playing the game at that point, because it would no longer seem like a TES game.

Hapexamendios · February 2023

No

Hybridization is bad. This is even worse.

Aztrias · February 2023

No

Nihilr · February 2023

No

ZoS won't do this because "Elder Scrolls." Play another "MMO" if you want to break away from the Elder Scrolls theme. The large majority (casuals) play and spend money on this game because it is an Elder Scrolls theme park.

This is a pointless thread.

tomfant · February 2023

Mostly Yes

Merge mag and stam as means to cast abilities, as suggested by OP.

Use the other pool for mobility and defense including sprint, block, dodge roll and jump.

Turtle_Bot · February 2023

No

SilverWF wrote: »

I bet if ZOS will actually do this, all you 'NO's will applause and scream from happiness

No, I wouldn't. I'd be turning around and go [snip] are they thinking making this change.

[edited for profanity bypass]

Aelorin · February 2023

Mostly No

No, that is not the Elder Scrolls way.

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