why new class?

Sergykid · January 2023

we still have to test and update current classes. PTS cycle will come and just imagine the amount of balance issues and bugs that there will be needed to be dealt with.
warden and necro are still in beta and still need tests and adjustments. Base game classes still need overhaul and upgrade.
but you release yet another class.

this was not needed. I understand it's popular demand, but these "popular demand" players that ask for "new" stuff, forget some things: they don't master current stuff, they don't master current classes, but want more. If they want something new, just try a different weapon or a different morph, etc.

"i want a new class, current ones are boring" ok but did you even play current classes? are you mastering them?
why not instead make current classes not "boring" (as others see them, personally i still find them engaging even after 10k hours of eso) and fixed rather than adding one more ingredient to the bucket.

RemoryAzure · January 2023

Sergykid wrote: »

"i want a new class, current ones are boring" ok but did you even play current classes? are you mastering them?

inappropriate logic
e.g. i hate playing melee builds, which means i will never want to master 99% of the builds in the game. the rest 1% of builds is way too scarce "choice" for me.
there are many people that dont want to play existing classes due to inconvenient skill mechanics (hi nb's bow proc) or simply visuals (that ugly sorc's lightning form)

Pelanora · January 2023

New is good.

Maintaining old is good.

Both things are possible in a properly resourced studio.

Sergykid · January 2023

RemoryAzure wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

"i want a new class, current ones are boring" ok but did you even play current classes? are you mastering them?

inappropriate logic
e.g. i hate playing melee builds, which means i will never want to master 99% of the builds in the game. the rest 1% of builds is way too scarce "choice" for me.
there are many people that dont want to play existing classes due to inconvenient skill mechanics (hi nb's bow proc) or simply visuals (that ugly sorc's lightning form)

any class can complete any content without struggling, while being fully ranged. While a dk may be harder for most, something like sorc would be easier (and u don't have to take the lightning form). U don't have to use the melee spammable from a class, for example there's bow stamplar doing 120k+ dps

if someone doesn't want to play 90%+ of a game maybe it's not a game for them.
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Sergykid · January 2023

Pelanora wrote: »

New is good.

Maintaining old is good.

Both things are possible in a properly resourced studio.

sure, agree, new class is welcome, but problem is when u do this for the people that don't even play other things.
"i want new weapon, i want spears" says the player that has only two weapon skill lines to 50. Now u don't add a new weapon for this guy, u know.

players that played or mastered one or two classes want new one, they followed popular demand and will only make more work, more imbalance.

this just means even more time to wait until we have a healthy gameplay environment

RemoryAzure · January 2023

Sergykid wrote: »

RemoryAzure wrote: »

any class can complete any content without struggling, while being fully ranged. While a dk may be harder for most, something like sorc would be easier (and u don't have to take the lightning form). U don't have to use the melee spammable from a class, for example there's bow stamplar doing 120k+ dps

if someone doesn't want to play 90%+ of a game maybe it's not a game for them.
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u are wrong again:
1. there are no ranged builds in the game that can compete in pvp without struggling except for a frost warden, the game balance is built around "be melee or be an easy frag for melee"
2. dk is the easiest class in the game, just spam all the buttons and u are unkillable machine with insane dmg, while sorc is the weakest class, therefore the hardest to play, not even mentioning that sorc is designed to be mobile, and that always requires the highest apm. btw i dont care about dps and dont even do pve outside of rnd.
3. ur last phrase means that there is no any game in the world for anyone, coz all the people, even those who play 24/7 for years and have all classes and everything, usually spend 90%+ of the time on one favorite character and/or do one specific activity

RemoryAzure · January 2023

Sergykid wrote: »

sure, agree, new class is welcome, but problem is when u do this for the people that don't even play other things.
"i want new weapon, i want spears" says the player that has only two weapon skill lines to 50. Now u don't add a new weapon for this guy, u know.

how can u be THAT irrational? why would that player level up skill lines if he knows that he will never use it? to waste time? yeah, sure man, go get 3-5 new degrees irl, waste 20 years for it, knowing u will never use any gained knowledge. sounds fun? u must master everything in the world, right?

Eliran · January 2023

What do you mean? what beta classes? all works just fine.

There is nothing wrong with a new class, I fail to understand your logic sadly ..

We finally get an update and you say its bad?

Sergykid · January 2023

RemoryAzure wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

sure, agree, new class is welcome, but problem is when u do this for the people that don't even play other things.
"i want new weapon, i want spears" says the player that has only two weapon skill lines to 50. Now u don't add a new weapon for this guy, u know.

how can u be THAT irrational? why would that player level up skill lines if he knows that he will never use it? to waste time? yeah, sure man, go get 3-5 new degrees irl, waste 20 years for it, knowing u will never use any gained knowledge. sounds fun? u must master everything in the world, right?

my point was and is that if u didn't even unlock/level/play a weapon skill line, how do u know u dislike it? same for class

Sergykid · January 2023

Eliran wrote: »

What do you mean? what beta classes? all works just fine.

There is nothing wrong with a new class, I fail to understand your logic sadly ..

We finally get an update and you say its bad?

i nowhere said it's bad, i find new class intriguing, my point was that we still have current classes to fix and update, not add more paper on a ceiling reached desk.

what beta classes? warden had penetration passive, crit damage, sub assault was 3 then 6 then 9 seconds, now pinned to frost staff to use a passive properly, and these just in the last few months. Also various ideas on pts that fortunately didn't make it through thanks to player feedback i guess.
necro still doesn't target corpses properly and blastbones often questions its existence before popping.
could go on but no reason to wall of text i suppose

Sergykid · January 2023

RemoryAzure wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

any class can complete any content without struggling, while being fully ranged. While a dk may be harder for most, something like sorc would be easier (and u don't have to take the lightning form). U don't have to use the melee spammable from a class, for example there's bow stamplar doing 120k+ dps

if someone doesn't want to play 90%+ of a game maybe it's not a game for them.
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u are wrong again:
1. there are no ranged builds in the game that can compete in pvp without struggling except for a frost warden, the game balance is built around "be melee or be an easy frag for melee"
2. dk is the easiest class in the game, just spam all the buttons and u are unkillable machine with insane dmg, while sorc is the weakest class, therefore the hardest to play, not even mentioning that sorc is designed to be mobile, and that always requires the highest apm. btw i dont care about dps and dont even do pve outside of rnd.
3. ur last phrase means that there is no any game in the world for anyone, coz all the people, even those who play 24/7 for years and have all classes and everything, usually spend 90%+ of the time on one favorite character and/or do one specific activity

1. are u sure? in high mmr bgs a good bow stamsorc is on par with dk and warden. Bow nbs are able to cause pressure and run.
Even a ranged magplar is very strong, maybe not meta but not as struggle as u imply, u can check all these on youtube videos, even i have some.
2. dk is strong but doesn't mean ranged is weak. Sorc is harder now to reach higher results and players that were used to easy mode now struggle.
3. didn't mean 90% of time on something, i meant 90% of what game offers. If you enter a game that has 6 classes, and u tried and dislike all of them and require a new class in order to play the game, maybe it's not the game

Mannjdyr · January 2023

Sergykid wrote: »

we still have to test and update current classes. PTS cycle will come and just imagine the amount of balance issues and bugs that there will be needed to be dealt with.
warden and necro are still in beta and still need tests and adjustments. Base game classes still need overhaul and upgrade.
but you release yet another class.

this was not needed. I understand it's popular demand, but these "popular demand" players that ask for "new" stuff, forget some things: they don't master current stuff, they don't master current classes, but want more. If they want something new, just try a different weapon or a different morph, etc.

"i want a new class, current ones are boring" ok but did you even play current classes? are you mastering them?
why not instead make current classes not "boring" (as others see them, personally i still find them engaging even after 10k hours of eso) and fixed rather than adding one more ingredient to the bucket.

I have to admit that you are right

mmtaniac · January 2023

I would prefer new skill line over new class. To make my templar maybe usable ,but class is acceptable too, maybe i change my class finally to something different. Class concept is interesting with those Mirrak-Hermeus Mora abilities. Class is game seller most of the time.

ghastley · January 2023

The point is that a new class encourages replay of the base game content with a new character, to level them up on familiar stuff. That gives time for the new content to be put right.

Foto1 · January 2023

i play all classes and yes i want a new one

James-Wayne · January 2023

I've been playing every day since 2014 so can pretty much confidently say I have mastered all classes and all skill morphs with the majority of all sets.

Time for something new.

MashmalloMan · January 2023

I didn't want a class either, but thats just because I want more ways to play the existing classes via a system like spell crafting. I still think a new class is by far one of the best things they could release and I would happily take it over what we've gotten the past 3 years in terms of casual mini games.

Back to combat! Lets hope they continue this trend like I'm hoping because it would be a perfect segway into a 10 year aniversary, using a multi year story arc, following the daedric prince of knowledge, bestowing to you ancient spells via black books for spell crafting in 2024. It would be a great followup to a new class.

Like come on, imagine they release another tavern game for 2024? How well would that go over.. I just can't fathom them doing that and I can't see them releasing another new class, so imo, spell crafting or something like it is next year.

Mattymoo92 · January 2023

People will always find a reason to complain it seems...
Give them a break they are clearly trying, I’m giving them another year and hope for the best

NettleCarrier · January 2023

Nah this isn't it OP.

While I'd personally prefer a 4th skill line for all existing classes over a new class, a new class will do just fine for now. The game has grown extremely stale for me, I have 3 of each class at max level and almost maxed skill points on those. I personally can't wait to finally level a new character for the first time in nearly 3 years.