jaws343 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

congrats, my first flawless run was on a mag warden, because it had the best balance of dmg and survival

i can still pretty easily run maelstrom on vet with that character, but i dont bother with vet anymore since i got all the maelstrom weapons, i just do it on normal for speed (im only missing like 22 items from there now lol)

now your next challenge is vateshran lol

I was surprisingly able to complete all vateshran achievements before I managed my Flawless. Vateshran not having a whole lot of uncontrollable RNG to it, like the poison stage of maelstrom, made it easier for me to manage no death speed run.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

congrats, my first flawless run was on a mag warden, because it had the best balance of dmg and survival

i can still pretty easily run maelstrom on vet with that character, but i dont bother with vet anymore since i got all the maelstrom weapons, i just do it on normal for speed (im only missing like 22 items from there now lol)

now your next challenge is vateshran lol

I was surprisingly able to complete all vateshran achievements before I managed my Flawless. Vateshran not having a whole lot of uncontrollable RNG to it, like the poison stage of maelstrom, made it easier for me to manage no death speed run.

Yeah, Vateshran Flawless is easier than Maelstrom. If you are comparing their difficulty at launch, Maelstrom was harder by about a factor of 10. Now, I think its a lot closer because we have a lot more tools for passive self heals, but I still give the difficulty nod to VMA.

Maelstrom I think generally is more intense, and its still very easy to go from doing great to being dead in a few seconds. The boss fights favor a very coordinated burst, and there are non boss rounds that can still be very tricky. Vateshran is a little bit more of a war of attrition, and in many ways feels more like a trial or solo dungeon than a true arena. All of the difficulty is on the bosses, and the boss fights favor sustained DPS rather than burst. It's a little easier to brute force your way through vateshran without perfect mechanic knowledge.

I have certainly run VMA way more than Vateshran. It took near perfect mechanic knowledge just to get a stormproof in the first few months of launch, let alone FC. Vateshran I got the trifecta in my first play session, 3rd or 4th run. I still only have a very tentative grasp on all the mechanics in there if I am being honest. The strategy of overwhelming DPS is more than sufficient.

i would probably agree with that, but if your not super high dmg, vateshran can be more tricky, especially with the final boss

my first clear on normal maelstrom and normal vateshran was with a 8-10k dps tank character lol, it was not easy to just burn everything down and really see mechanics on both (though i wouldnt even attempt trying to do vet with that character because of the dmg)

it took me awhile to get the trifecta on vateshran (i did that on a mag dk, though i first completed vateshran with my mag warden i used for vMA)

i personally never really found the poison stage difficult in vMA, just annoying, i just always tried to fight in the corner of the arena that did not have any plants nearby and pay attention to when the venomcallers would spawn

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

congrats, my first flawless run was on a mag warden, because it had the best balance of dmg and survival

i can still pretty easily run maelstrom on vet with that character, but i dont bother with vet anymore since i got all the maelstrom weapons, i just do it on normal for speed (im only missing like 22 items from there now lol)

now your next challenge is vateshran lol

I was surprisingly able to complete all vateshran achievements before I managed my Flawless. Vateshran not having a whole lot of uncontrollable RNG to it, like the poison stage of maelstrom, made it easier for me to manage no death speed run.

Yeah, Vateshran Flawless is easier than Maelstrom. If you are comparing their difficulty at launch, Maelstrom was harder by about a factor of 10. Now, I think its a lot closer because we have a lot more tools for passive self heals, but I still give the difficulty nod to VMA.

Maelstrom I think generally is more intense, and its still very easy to go from doing great to being dead in a few seconds. The boss fights favor a very coordinated burst, and there are non boss rounds that can still be very tricky. Vateshran is a little bit more of a war of attrition, and in many ways feels more like a trial or solo dungeon than a true arena. All of the difficulty is on the bosses, and the boss fights favor sustained DPS rather than burst. It's a little easier to brute force your way through vateshran without perfect mechanic knowledge.

I have certainly run VMA way more than Vateshran. It took near perfect mechanic knowledge just to get a stormproof in the first few months of launch, let alone FC. Vateshran I got the trifecta in my first play session, 3rd or 4th run. I still only have a very tentative grasp on all the mechanics in there if I am being honest. The strategy of overwhelming DPS is more than sufficient.

i would probably agree with that, but if your not super high dmg, vateshran can be more tricky, especially with the final boss

my first clear on normal maelstrom and normal vateshran was with a 8-10k dps tank character lol, it was not easy to just burn everything down and really see mechanics on both (though i wouldnt even attempt trying to do vet with that character because of the dmg)

it took me awhile to get the trifecta on vateshran (i did that on a mag dk, though i first completed vateshran with my mag warden i used for vMA)

i personally never really found the poison stage difficult in vMA, just annoying, i just always tried to fight in the corner of the arena that did not have any plants nearby and pay attention to when the venomcallers would spawn

Yes, my perspective is of course using brute force. LOL. My arena builds are pretty much glass cannon (these days I would run ring of pale order, because why not unless trying to push score), but otherwise, its basically a trial DPS build with a few tweaks.

So with lower DPS, I could see Vateshran becoming more difficult. None of the VMA bosses have all that much health. I think VMA is more likely to get you with unavoidable mechanics and Vateshran is more likely to overwhelm you with adds on a given boss. That said, most of the Vateshran adds can be ignored, same cant be said about VMA mechanics. They will kill you if ignored

I agree, poison stage is mostly just an annoyance. It does make stam (melee) a little tougher to get flawless. A lot of people blame stage 7 on RNG, but It really isn't completely RNG, and I think calling it such is a bit of a scapegoat. There are ways to mitigate the poison and where they spawn. It can be healed through if you get it, and you absolutely have a choice in how to position yourself during the shield phase (you have a choice in which add to kill). Annoying, but if its gets you, its usually your fault to some degree.

I will say this. At launch, VMA last boss difficulty was about 217 times harder than Vateshran last boss difficulty. LOL

with the boss in the poison arena, i almost always ended up accidentally killing the adds because of my aoe and usually just interrupted the boss instead of hiding lol

running as a mag warden, i could purge the bleed, and had good heals

vateshran last boss even on normal with a 8-10k dps tank character had problems killing the ring enemies, but it was possible to sit in the middle and tank through it and let them explode (thats kind of how i got the "missed me by that much" achievement on my mag dk, i just had magma shell on my back bar and turtled up until the shades exploded lol)