Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Agree 100%.

Thank you

Based on what I could find in a quick search this is one of those things where there doesn't seem to be any consistency between MMOs. LOTRO has dyes harvested from specific places or crafted, Final Fantasy has ones you buy from specific vendors (and in both of those it looks like they're single-use items), GW2 has them as random drops or rewards (and yes, tradable), WoW doesn't seem to have any equivalent to dyes and instead each item skin has a fixed colour (but there's a lot skins with the same pattern but different colours so players have options).

I remember hearing that one of the developers working on GW2 before it was released was determined to put as many dyes in the game as possible, and presumably also pushed for them to be widely available. GW1 had a relatively complex dye system where there were only 12 dyes but you could mix and match up to 4 of them to create other colours (e.g. to get a dark red you could mix red and black), but apparently most players didn't bother doing that and I suspect that frustrated the developers.

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with the way ESO does it, but I do find it's very rare that I want a specific colour enough that I'll go out of my way to do the achievement to get it, I usually end up sticking with whatever colours I already have unlocked. But the only part of the system which really bothers me is that some dyes are exclusive to dye stamps, which means their use is very, very limited because you can only use stamps on costumes and don't get to choose which slot the dyes go into.

I never use dye stamps but if there was a way to buy those colours as a normal dye (and it wasn't stupidly expensive) I'd do it.

yeah i think the worst thing about the dyes from the crown store is that they are a one time use consumable, and its hard locked into the 3 colors of that dye pattern

i dont mind the dyes being rewarded as unlocks, but the dyes you get from say level up rewards i just delete them, or if i get them in a crown crate instant gem convert, dont need that garbage if it doesnt unlock anything permanently

I suspect there's a reason behind the dyes being purchasable with crowns and non-reusable, can't quite put my finger on it.......

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I was disappointed by dye stamps too. They were announced at the same time as costume dying and the way I read the announcement I thought subscribers could dye their costumes whenever they wanted for no additional cost and non-subscribers could buy a dye stamp to enable them to dye 1 costume but would get to choose the dyes.

I was all set to buy a batch of dye stamps on the first day and dye all my costumes, then found out you're restricted to the colours ZOS have chosen and gave up on the idea. I never have bought any dye stamps and like other people I delete the ones from level up rewards because they're not worth using. (Or I use them on a costume that character would never wear, which comes to the same thing.)

Amottica wrote: »

Castagere wrote: »

Why do you have this dye system in the game? Why locked on achievements? Why can't we just buy the dyes we want? I swear I love the game but ZOS does some of the craziest stuff I have ever seen. I would love to hear the thinking behind this idea. Heck GW2 gives dyes as login rewards. Why not start doing that? You can even buy them on the AH.

GW2 gives random dyes. In ESO we know what we have to do to get a dye which is far superior to completely random luck.

The dye drops are random, but the identified dyes are tradable, so if you want a specific colour you can just get it from another player using the Trading Post. So it's more convenient when you want a specific colour, but getting a dye yourself is probably less exciting, especially once you've unlocked several and you're unlikely to get a new one from unidentified dyes. Although in ESO I often don't notice I've unlocked a new dye until I go to the outfit station. But then I found out when AWA came in a lot of ESO players pay far more attention to achievements than I ever did.

I suppose which you prefer comes down to whether your priority is getting the specific dye colours you want to use or feeling rewarded when you get a new colour, whether you want to use it or not.

biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »

I like my Overlord's Purple and would be sad if people could just buy it. But the Grand Overlords Brass is another matter

But could you tell for sure when another player is using it? Could you look at someone and know that's Overlord's Purple and not something like the rank 9 dye or Contraband Violet?

There's a few times I've gotten a new dye and been disappointed because on most things it looks virtually identical to one I've already got.

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

I don't think dyes for very rare and hard to get achievements should be purchasable in the cash shop at all. I suppose it wouldn't hurt anything to have some dye colors be purchasable, but I don't really want to encourage the devs to lock more things behind a paywall that we were once able to get in game. I feel like this type of thinking will only result in the devs making achievements for dyes even harder to push players towards the cash shop time and again for easy dye unlocks. Or worse, cash shop exclusive dye unlocks.

I was wondering about this though: do players actually want dyes as vet achievement rewards? Wouldn't they prefer something else more recognisable or distinctive? I can understand ZOS themselves wanting to entice reluctant players into PVP and trials, but the players themselves? IMO dyes are actually the perfect thing for the crown store: they're purely cosmetic; as status symbols they're hard to differentiate between; and there is a huge range of non-purchaseable alternatives.

But in any case, yes, the exclusive dyes from dye stamps need to be purchasable and reusable.

Rageypoo wrote: »

You can't even change your hair unless you pay crowns for it. What there aren't any barbers in Tamriel!? From what I can tell, the strange decisions are usually driven behind ways to make the company money, and since extra dye is offered by crown crates, there's your answer.

You can buy hairstyles and change the back and forth at your leisure under the collections appearance menu, I do that frequently.

BretonMage wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

I don't think dyes for very rare and hard to get achievements should be purchasable in the cash shop at all. I suppose it wouldn't hurt anything to have some dye colors be purchasable, but I don't really want to encourage the devs to lock more things behind a paywall that we were once able to get in game. I feel like this type of thinking will only result in the devs making achievements for dyes even harder to push players towards the cash shop time and again for easy dye unlocks. Or worse, cash shop exclusive dye unlocks.

I was wondering about this though: do players actually want dyes as vet achievement rewards? Wouldn't they prefer something else more recognisable or distinctive? I can understand ZOS themselves wanting to entice reluctant players into PVP and trials, but the players themselves? IMO dyes are actually the perfect thing for the crown store: they're purely cosmetic; as status symbols they're hard to differentiate between; and there is a huge range of non-purchaseable alternatives.

But in any case, yes, the exclusive dyes from dye stamps need to be purchasable and reusable.

Yes, I want them as achievement rewards.

Because a) there's not much else as rewards anyway. I can use a title once, and 50% are "Bane of somethingorother" and boring. Who cares about mementos? Or body marks? Yawn.
At least a dye is something that is a tangible reward, and something that I'll actually use now and then.
Sure, if they ever get their act together and overhaul the whole reward structure, giving something for advanced achievements that is not in the cash shop, and clearly visible in the game, then fine. Until then, stay away from dyes!

And b) I very much would not like to spend frelling real money on dyes, thankyouverymuch. Can we pleasefortheloveofgod keep some cosmetics out of the cash-grab shop?

Which is c), just to reiterate: No. Any move of stuff from in-game rewards to the $$$-store gets a hard NO from me.

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Also, if they all look the same anyway (as some suggested), then why bother? Just use one of the easily accessible ones that apparently are identical to begin with.

Varana wrote: »

Also, if they all look the same anyway (as some suggested), then why bother? Just use one of the easily accessible ones that apparently are identical to begin with.

Those dyeing the outfits will know the small differences of course, but I do think they aren't as noticeable by other players from afar. I care very much what dye I use, but I generally don't know what dyes others use, especially since they tend to look different on different outfits and costumes. (And I've been brought up not to stare at people, so I will never know).

To be fair, though, I have noticed that the higher achievement dyes tend to be shinier and more saturated (but I still never know what dyes others use, even if I have it myself).

More stuff should be earnable by actually playing the game instead of buying it with real money. Not less.

Castagere wrote: »

Why do you have this dye system in the game? Why locked on achievements? Why can't we just buy the dyes we want? I swear I love the game but ZOS does some of the craziest stuff I have ever seen. I would love to hear the thinking behind this idea. Heck GW2 gives dyes as login rewards. Why not start doing that? You can even buy them on the AH.

I actually disagree. I personally love this system and the chance to earn different colors in different types of content such as pve, PvP, and crafting. Out of all the issues I have with ZOS this is not one them.

Its one of the things that got me into the game and I'm still discovering sources for dyes even now. I'll be disappointed the day I finally get them all and it gives that extra motivation to do certain types of content I normally wouldn't.

To many things in gaming are monetized these days. Its great to earn stuff just playing the game plus there's plenty of other cosmetic things including dyes that you can buy on the Crown Store so that option is there.

I don't have an issue with it - I like the idea of achieving something and being rewarded for it, and I like the idea of what you've been able to accomplish in game being visible as a dye. You are literally wearing it on your sleeve. %)

I get the frustration of not being able to use the exact dye you want, though.