Straight up delete Mara's Balm from the game

acastanza_ESO · December 2022

This set serves literally no purpose except to reinforce an unacceptable troll tank meta.
It has to go, not just nerfed, completely gone.

CGPsaint · December 2022

This post is much more likely to get deleted than Mara's Balm. ZOS gonna ZOS.

alternatelder · January 2023

You likely won't see it nerfed until Q1 update. If it gets nerfed.

LittlePinkDot · January 2023

Who cares? All it does is heals when removing negative effects.

If they were dead after you attacked them, they wouldn't be alive to remove negative effects.

AdamLAD · January 2023

Theres a few sets that need addressing,

Daedric Trickery is far too strong

Rally Cry is far too strong,

Maras balm is far too strong.

Scavenging Maw set is way too strong.

That set all these Wardens are using for frost immobilisation is too strong (forgot its name)

Unfortunately there's so many things that are still way overtuned that arnt even sets. ESO is a complete mess right now in every single way. Performance, content, prices, direction, balance; everything.

The_Titan_Tim · January 2023

Max health is the issue; nothing else.

If you needed max resources to heal; and all support skills scaled with max resources, you would be able to burst people down before sets like Mara’s Balm can heal them back up as they would have less points into health.

Roztlin45 · January 2023

What about dark cheat set and plague broken set? I could deal with a grief tank burning all the oil pots and grieving for hours inside a keep. But sets like dark brown convergence should have never been allowed in pvp. Some sets.just simply need to be listed pve only. That would solve many problems and may reduce the nerf rug pulls. Pvp needs to be about skill not broken proc sets.

ProudMary · January 2023

Roztlin45 wrote: »

What about dark cheat set and plague broken set? I could deal with a grief tank burning all the oil pots and grieving for hours inside a keep. But sets like dark brown convergence should have never been allowed in pvp. Some sets.just simply need to be listed pve only. That would solve many problems and may reduce the nerf rug pulls. Pvp needs to be about skill not broken proc sets.

Yep, Dark Convergence is still one of the most out of balance sets in the game. It wouldn't be so bad if it actually only did what the set description says it does, but it pulls from out of range, you can't block it in lag, you can't dodge it etc. All the complaints that have been posted about this set since it's inception are still problems with this set.

Mara's Balm is another good example of a set totally out of balance, but other posters have covered that topic in this thread.

ProudMary · January 2023

AdamLAD wrote: »

Theres a few sets that need addressing,

Daedric Trickery is far too strong

Rally Cry is far too strong,

Maras balm is far too strong.

Scavenging Maw set is way too strong.

That set all these Wardens are using for frost immobilisation is too strong (forgot its name)

Unfortunately there's so many things that are still way overtuned that arnt even sets. ESO is a complete mess right now in every single way. Performance, content, prices, direction, balance; everything.

Arctic blast is the primary offender for frost wardens I think. It's a stun AND a heal at the same time. This is just poor design on the devs part to make a skill that does both these things at the same time.

LadyLavina · January 2023

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ForumBully · January 2023

IMO in its current state its good, the original incarnation was broken beyond belief. There's no need to nerf "good" or even "best" because you're just going to hammer down that nail to find that now there's another one that's highest.
That's the ZOS cycle. Kill what everyone uses, then everyone uses something else.

It's not broken anymore, but have no fear the next broken set is on the drawing board ready to be released...I have no doubt about that.

Convergence, on the other hand, is just as annoying as it was when it was first conceived.

LadyLavina · January 2023

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Jaraal · January 2023

ProudMary wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

Theres a few sets that need addressing,

Daedric Trickery is far too strong

Rally Cry is far too strong,

Maras balm is far too strong.

Scavenging Maw set is way too strong.

That set all these Wardens are using for frost immobilisation is too strong (forgot its name)

Unfortunately there's so many things that are still way overtuned that arnt even sets. ESO is a complete mess right now in every single way. Performance, content, prices, direction, balance; everything.

Arctic blast is the primary offender for frost wardens I think. It's a stun AND a heal at the same time. This is just poor design on the devs part to make a skill that does both these things at the same time.

And their answer was to remove the warden magic damage bonus and force them to use ice staves.... even though there are five times as many fire sets in the game as there are ice sets.

LadyLavina · January 2023

-deleting my presence from this thread because apparently people are inclined to report opinions-

Lumsdenml · January 2023

Roztlin45 wrote: »

What about dark cheat set and plague broken set? I could deal with a grief tank burning all the oil pots and grieving for hours inside a keep. But sets like dark brown convergence should have never been allowed in pvp. Some sets.just simply need to be listed pve only. That would solve many problems and may reduce the nerf rug pulls. Pvp needs to be about skill not broken proc sets.

There is nothing wrong with plague break, it is working as intended. 1v1 it isn't going to do anything. It's when you get a group of people together where it becomes op and that is the point of the set.
Dark convergence, however, is a different story. It works just as well on one person or fifty. I feel they should put a gate on it where it doesn't work unless there are 7 or so people in it.

LadyLavina · January 2023

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TybaltKaine · January 2023

DC would be fine with a small restriction that made it only work when there are 3 or more people in the AOE. 7 is way too high, as that negates the sets use completely in BG's, which remain the most accessible form of PVP for the newcomer.

SaffronCitrusflower · January 2023

TybaltKaine wrote: »

DC would be fine with a small restriction that made it only work when there are 3 or more people in the AOE. 7 is way too high, as that negates the sets use completely in BG's, which remain the most accessible form of PVP for the newcomer.

I think Dark Convergence remains the most out of balance, game breaking set in PvP to this day. I don't understand how this set has not been balanced. Making it so it doesn't do anything unless there are a certain number of players in the area won't work either, because the set pulls from way, way outside it's designated range most of the time. The set never should have been created in the first place. To me the existence of Dark Convergence makes me think that ZOS devs don't play PvP, ever.

But in the bigger picture, ZOS needs to just scale way, way back on the introduction of grossly OP proc sets. They need to focus on sets that require skill to use, not proc sets that make a first time PvP player just as strong as someone who's been playing since the game was released.

AdamLAD · January 2023

ProudMary wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

Theres a few sets that need addressing,

Daedric Trickery is far too strong

Rally Cry is far too strong,

Maras balm is far too strong.

Scavenging Maw set is way too strong.

That set all these Wardens are using for frost immobilisation is too strong (forgot its name)

Unfortunately there's so many things that are still way overtuned that arnt even sets. ESO is a complete mess right now in every single way. Performance, content, prices, direction, balance; everything.

Arctic blast is the primary offender for frost wardens I think. It's a stun AND a heal at the same time. This is just poor design on the devs part to make a skill that does both these things at the same time.

I remember when zenimax came out and said we don't want skills to be overloaded with so many different things. They took stun away from frags. Give me that back please because there's still to many skills that do numerous different things all In one convenient package

ForumBully · January 2023

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Roztlin45 wrote: »

What about dark cheat set and plague broken set? I could deal with a grief tank burning all the oil pots and grieving for hours inside a keep. But sets like dark brown convergence should have never been allowed in pvp. Some sets.just simply need to be listed pve only. That would solve many problems and may reduce the nerf rug pulls. Pvp needs to be about skill not broken proc sets.

There is nothing wrong with plague break, it is working as intended. 1v1 it isn't going to do anything. It's when you get a group of people together where it becomes op and that is the point of the set.
Dark convergence, however, is a different story. It works just as well on one person or fifty. I feel they should put a gate on it where it doesn't work unless there are 7 or so people in it.

Plaguebreak is working as intended, the problem is the intent. Its not as horrific in practice as it once was, but ZOS making a set that can be used to troll your own alliance by purging them is high up on the list of bad ideas...and it's a very very long list.

Dr_Con · January 2023

ForumBully wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Roztlin45 wrote: »

What about dark cheat set and plague broken set? I could deal with a grief tank burning all the oil pots and grieving for hours inside a keep. But sets like dark brown convergence should have never been allowed in pvp. Some sets.just simply need to be listed pve only. That would solve many problems and may reduce the nerf rug pulls. Pvp needs to be about skill not broken proc sets.

There is nothing wrong with plague break, it is working as intended. 1v1 it isn't going to do anything. It's when you get a group of people together where it becomes op and that is the point of the set.
Dark convergence, however, is a different story. It works just as well on one person or fifty. I feel they should put a gate on it where it doesn't work unless there are 7 or so people in it.

Plaguebreak is working as intended, the problem is the intent. Its not as horrific in practice as it once was, but ZOS making a set that can be used to troll your own alliance by purging them is high up on the list of bad ideas...and it's a very very long list.

Ball groups who run around with scrolls, farming AP and trolling their own alliance, should be allowed to be plaguebreak purged in return. The only times i've considered doing it was to people who were legitimately trolling and wasting time of everyone. This set also renders other sets like curse eater and mara's balm useless in large group scenarios

Supershutze · January 2023

The problem isn't Mara's Balm.

The problem is that healing as a defensive strategy has no counter. At all.

LadyLavina · January 2023

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Rageypoo · January 2023

Gotta learn and adapt to builds rather than demand they be nerfed. Mara's Balm is a direct answer to negative effect spammers, Bring teamates along that can counter it or do it yourself.

TechMaybeHic · January 2023

I think it would be ok if sea serpent coil and Rallying Cry didn't both offer as much offense and defense combined. With those basically providing both, there's no tough decision to give up either an offensive set or defensive set for a healing set.

The downside of those 2 sets are not there with swift trait and major expedition, and the friendly target marker where you don't need to group to track each other

katanagirl1 · January 2023

Neither Dark Con or Mara’s Balm are bad. It’s what class and build uses them.

Tanky dks that use both are unkillable.

tonyblack · January 2023

The fact that literally every second player i see use this set already telling how strong it is. Mara should have 30 second cooldown at least or no heals on reapplied effects during its cooldown. That burst heal is insane, by the time you bring mara user to execute range it’s ready to go again, never mind if it’s outnumbered fight and there are healers too (also in maras btw).

fall0athboy · January 2023

Well if they didn't delete Dark Convergence, they're not deleting Mara's Balm.

Deleting sets just does not happen.

Remathilis · January 2023

This is your friendly reminder that no-procc campaign exist.

Oh, right. You want to keep YOUR toys, you just want the ones other people use to be deleted.

ProudMary · January 2023

tonyblack wrote: »

The fact that literally every second player i see use this set already telling how strong it is. Mara should have 30 second cooldown at least or no heals on reapplied effects during its cooldown. That burst heal is insane, by the time you bring mara user to execute range it’s ready to go again, never mind if it’s outnumbered fight and there are healers too (also in maras btw).

Yep, Mara's Balm is the latest in OP proc sets that require no skill to take advantage of.

ZOS desperately needs to stop creating so many proc sets. That's all there is to it. Especially if the devs don't PvP enough to be able to foresee how their new sets will effect the PvP environment.