Only the players who have the skill and practice for it deserve to have top damage.
No effort = no damage, that's how it should be and I can't believe why it's so hard to accept

I went to my chess club last night and I told them I wanted to participate in the club championship tournament this year. I also told them that I'm not very good at chess and mentioned that I would bring my computer to make it a little more interesting. You know... raising the floor and all that jazz. They just laughed at me and told me to *** off.
Was it something I said?

Everyone has his/her personal limits and everyone should accept their limits. The moment I realize that I am not good enough to play certain content despite practicing and trying, I will accept that and stop playing that content. I would not even remotely think about asking for artificial help to boost my skills.

ZOS already tossed oakensoul into the ring and now you are suggesting to let the computer take care of what's left to do?

EnKor wrote: »

What if, ZoS release API to allow addons cast Skills? Yeah. Like Macro.

Many players have problem with rotation. ZoS give us OakenSoul. Now we have nice damage, and we can do almost any content ingame... maybe all, i dont know. But, even now, 85% of players, dont like who use Oakensoul. And why? Cuz now, we only have 6Skills. lol!

So... What will be the problem if ZoS allow addons cast skills( yeah, macro).

-Anyone will make perfect rotations
-Anyone will have TOP Damage
-All players need to do is avoid AOE
-Anyone will love others


Will you all be happy? Or what will make you sad if this happens. Tell us please!

I know ZoS will never allow this... but, what if!?

You forget the big point

-Bots would take over the game

My 2 cents (and I am a bad player): If I wanted my computer to play the game why bother to play it anyhow? I could just program that the computer is doing everything, the questing, the farming, the fighting or any other ing.

A big part of the fun is to achieve something. Some things are too hard for me so I dedicate my time to those parts that I am good in and the rest is just for fun.

doesnt matter to me.. i mean we dont have add-ons on console but if macro users on pc cant be stopped then it should be more readily accessible to others c;

It never fails to amaze me that no matter how dumbed down a game has become, there are always those that want it trivialised even more...

Why play a game when you're just going to have the game play itself for you.

thorwyn wrote: »

I went to my chess club last night and I told them I wanted to participate in the club championship tournament this year. I also told them that I'm not very good at chess and mentioned that I would bring my computer to make it a little more interesting. You know... raising the floor and all that jazz. They just laughed at me and told me to *** off.
Was it something I said?

Everyone has his/her personal limits and everyone should accept their limits. The moment I realize that I am not good enough to play certain content despite practicing and trying, I will accept that and stop playing that content. I would not even remotely think about asking for artificial help to boost my skills.

ZOS already tossed oakensoul into the ring and now you are suggesting to let the computer take care of what's left to do?

Didn't they effectively take the significant benefits of Oakensoul back away?

Tandor wrote: »

It never fails to amaze me that no matter how dumbed down a game has become, there are always those that want it trivialised even more...

Actually, give his followup of "yeah, so they should ban mods entirely", it seems like he was trying to make a round-about "mods r cheating" argument.
(edit: which goes along with his "should they remove all mods" poll in the other thread)


Hmm. But he's also muddying it up with "oakensoul users are disliked".

Not sure what that has to do with "make mods into macros!" and "just ban mods entirely!". /shrug

Have I got it correct? The thread is about ZOS could possibly do what they will never do, so ban the addons, isn't it?
May I be the next with topic "When I come through the duel I'm not in PVP, but I can imagine I'm in PVP due to that, so ban duels"?
Let's rush a festival of sophism and straw

Well, addon usage is a complex topic. But if you ask me, it should be discussed without pure manipulation.
Addons really have cons:
1. Addon may grant advantage to player. Rmember the Miat's PVP notifier? I do.
What to do? My answer: trust developers.
ZOS removed the part of the API which allowed it's part working. I think people can add some more samples, when problematic addons was disabled by ZOS developers. So ZOS aware about possible problems here and make their fixes.
2. Addon may raise server load. Various merchant aggregators, inventory managers, old style dismantlers can make way more requests at a time from one player than usual.
What to do? Trust developers.
Actually ZOS protects their servers from such avalanche of requests. Were you booted from server due "too many requests" when updated your guild trader history too fast? I was. So ZOS aware and fix it too.
3. Addon may affect players' cooperation dramatically. TTC and MM change the market. People with loot monitors stalk others for items. Raid helpers serve to elitistic gatekeeping in endgame.
What to do? Adapt, communicate with people, report inappropriate behaviour.
All the above is rather about people and choices than about addons. Addons are not the unique way to check the item price or detect low damage. If some addons really raises toxicity in community in some way, it should be checked individually.
4. Addon cause game errors.
What to do? Choose your addons carefully. Also be sorry for poor broken-addon user.
Is someone has broken his gameplay with bad addon, that's his problem. It barely can affect your game. If it is, report it immediately. We can think about amount of false bug reports to support due to addons, but I don't have any stats about it. ZOS has, and they didn't ban addons for all those years. Any guess why?

Addons have pros:
1. Addon may raise quality of life and so game population.
You lack some interface things or minimap in game? Use addon. That's why people make addons. So we have some people who stayed in game further.
2. Addon may allow game developers check if some feature is really popular before implementing.
Multiple item dismantling, two-level filters in inventory, guild trader filters. It's just some of features that came to ESO as addons before being implemented in core interface. Would they have been implemented on consoles if there hadn't been such addons on PC? Only ZOS knows.
3. Addons save time, that would've been spent on routines, and make players happy.
Many many addons works mainly as time savers. Watch item price fast, check which alt holds the item you need, check your location in a moment without opening a map, setup the same hotkeys on all characters. Everyday actions which would've eat summary hours of our game become faster and easier.
Is that straw about "ZOS possibly could do" really worth a happiness of thousands and thousands?

The flaw in the argument just prior against "useful" addons is that the ones that go away seem to be the useful ones.

While many things in the game remain dubious. (Why do I get knocked down even if I am outside the indicated hit window? The devs made that.)

I assume the devs make the best decisions they can, but they are not perfect humans, so they will not always get everything exactly correct. That is the nature of things.

Carcamongus wrote: »

The other day someone was suggesting an addon that shows you the most advantageous moves in ToT, now this.

I don't hate people who use Paul Oakenfold's ring, I just want them to be able to do their assigned tasks: to heal me and to kill that angry boss before it turns me into something resembling bloody mashed potatoes. I myself can't wear the ring to do hard content because the loss of 6 skills would be detrimental to myself and the team, but I've been putting it on for easier dungeons.

No, an addon that did the rotation for the player would be unfair to those who took the time and effort to practice and improve. Not everyone can achieve perfect rotations, but then not everyone is expected to be able to clear the most difficult content.

"Unfair"? Really?

I don't think we will ever see it, but not because it is "unfair". HarvestMap is "unfair" to those who spent skill points on the "see stuff' skills. So what? It is a useful addon that really should be in the game itself. They could take it away, but it would raise quite a bit of an outcry now since it has been around for so long.

Too many jump to the "unfair" reasoning far too quickly.

I am never going to have an optimal rotation, so is the game "unfair" to me? (No practicing enough won't negate my eye-hand coordinating challenges.)

How is that the benefit? That was the cost of using it I believe.

I was refering to the bunch of people who said that they are unable to deal with bar swapping and juggling dots for whatever reason and that oakensoul finally allowed them to be competitive.

But to answer your initial question: as you certainly know, they did nerf the ring, yes. But it is still good enoug to deal a significant ammount of damage as Soarora pointed out.