so the weekly Endeavors are all PVP or Group again

lurkin777 · December 2022

I just don't do those two things and they won't convince me with Endeavors.

Why is there not a solo weekly endeavor every week??

Kendric5 · December 2022

I agree 100%.

Leaves me out!!

Lirkin · December 2022

Same for me since I don't do those and won't just for Endeavor points.

It's enough that you need to do group stuff for the best items and such but now another thing to be left out off!

Mik195 · December 2022

I think its really poor planning for ZOS to have endeavors like this during a holiday week. Like last time they had kill x world bosses (because group boss is dumb), for console it was the same week as Galen rolled out and the Skyrim event started. Granted they may not want to give out endeavors, but this is kind of a mean move. This and next week should be easy weeks to avoid stressing out people with limited time to play.

Hapexamendios · December 2022

The world boss one can be soloed by many, but they increased the number from 20 to 30 for absolutely no reason. Kind of puts me off doing it.

MidniteOwl1913 · December 2022

Soloing world bosses is doable. The ones in Deshaan are pretty easy. Also, people come to help if you ask in zone chat.

spartaxoxo · December 2022

Hapexamendios wrote: »

The world boss one can be soloed by many, but they increased the number from 20 to 30 for absolutely no reason. Kind of puts me off doing it.

Yeah. I can very easily solo a world boss, and there are world bosses that can be solo'ed without good builds or high levels, so I don't think that endeavor is strictly group content despite the name. But, there's so many of them this time that I thought it was pretty bogus. I did end up getting them done (well will need 3 more but that's easy) because a guild group ended up doing them. Despite being very much soloable, it is more pleasant doing them with a competent group because it's always faster than yourself alone and you have someone to talk to keep it less tedious.

Saint-Ange · December 2022

These endeavors are meta gaming that harm the fundamental RPG part of the game. They must go just as the crates.

There is one last chance to choose between being a casino mafia or a gaming company before the new bundles of laws that are being worked on all around the world. It's time to get ahead of the incoming restrictions and proactively transform the ensuing situation into a positive campaign.

Xarc · December 2022

"omg they ask me to play with other players in a mmo !!!!"

Nihilr · December 2022

Xarc wrote: »

"omg they ask me to play with other players in a mmo !!!!"

Believe it or not, but a large amount of the player base are here for the "Elder Scrolls", not the "Online" portion of the name.

rpa · December 2022

Missing one or dozen endeavors is not that big a deal. I missed more than half of this years endeavors because I was on break and survived just fine. If you feel you have to do things you do not want to do, I'd recommend taking a break from the game too. Its supposed to be fun, not a job.

Dr_Con · December 2022

is there a correlation between 210 endeavors being 20 bosses and 250 being 30 bosses?

Ragnork · December 2022

Xarc wrote: »

"omg they ask me to play with other players in a mmo !!!!"

Believe it or not a large number of people play any mmorpg not for the group content, which is viewed as annoying and intrusive, but the rpg elements that are added to and expanded on a regular basis.

opalcity · December 2022

Maelstrom is a solo trial.

There are many World Bosses that can be taken down on your own. Even my level 32 tank (without CP but with Isobel) managed to take out the Ratmaster.

So that is two out of three endeavours you can solo without being in a group or pvp.

Hapexamendios · December 2022

[quote="opalcity;c-7775312"Maelstrom is a solo trial.

There are many World Bosses that can be taken down on your own. Even my level 32 tank (without CP but with Isobel) managed to take out the Ratmaster.

So that is two out of three endeavours you can solo without being in a group or pvp.

[/quote]

No, it's an arena. Just like Vateshran, Dragonstar and Blackrose Prison.

npuk · December 2022

Hapexamendios wrote: »

[quote="opalcity;c-7775312"Maelstrom is a solo trial.

There are many World Bosses that can be taken down on your own. Even my level 32 tank (without CP but with Isobel) managed to take out the Ratmaster.

So that is two out of three endeavours you can solo without being in a group or pvp.

No, it's an arena. Just like Vateshran, Dragonstar and Blackrose Prison.[/quote]

True, but the UI does call it a 'solo trial' the first time going in so that causes a bit of confusion for people.

opalcity · December 2022

Hapexamendios wrote: »

[quote="opalcity;c-7775312"Maelstrom is a solo trial.

There are many World Bosses that can be taken down on your own. Even my level 32 tank (without CP but with Isobel) managed to take out the Ratmaster.

So that is two out of three endeavours you can solo without being in a group or pvp.

No, it's an arena. Just like Vateshran, Dragonstar and Blackrose Prison.[/quote]

Ugggghhhh there I go again, mixing up my trials and arenas.🤪 Thanks for the heads up!

sPark101 · December 2022

lurkin777 wrote: »

I just don't do those two things and they won't convince me with Endeavors.

Why is there not a solo weekly endeavor every week??

So, what exactly are the weekly endeavors that you are upset about?

spartaxoxo · December 2022

sPark101 wrote: »

lurkin777 wrote: »

I just don't do those two things and they won't convince me with Endeavors.

Why is there not a solo weekly endeavor every week??

So, what exactly are the weekly endeavors that you are upset about?

It says it right in the OP. They view 2 of the endeavors as group content and 1 as PvP content, and they don't want to group or do PvP. I personally suspect the OP is a fairly casual player who finds world bosses to be too much of a hassle to be worth soloing, even if they could do it. But, regardless of their reasons for viewing bosses as group content, their complaint is that they view it as such and thus don't want to do it.

Luede · December 2022

the pvp endeavors i know don't really have anything to do with pvp. repair, damage with siege weapons, kill npcs on resources. You can do all this in the safety of a keep, without the enemy players can get to you, or on totally empty pvp servers, where you can not be killed.

Jeejee · December 2022

Ragnork wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

"omg they ask me to play with other players in a mmo !!!!"

Believe it or not a large number of people play any mmorpg not for the group content, which is viewed as annoying and intrusive, but the rpg elements that are added to and expanded on a regular basis.

There's no valid reason to start complaining if a mmo requires you to do group content

spartaxoxo · December 2022

Jeejee wrote: »

Ragnork wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

"omg they ask me to play with other players in a mmo !!!!"

Believe it or not a large number of people play any mmorpg not for the group content, which is viewed as annoying and intrusive, but the rpg elements that are added to and expanded on a regular basis.

There's no valid reason to start complaining if a mmo requires you to do group content

Yeah. There is. MMO doesn't automatically mean forced grouping and there's solo content in many MMOs. A grouping mechanic is not automatically immune to criticism just because it's an MMO. What grouping adds to the experience of that individual content is what determines whether or not grouping is a justified requirement. In cases where it can help bring more creative and challenging designs that wouldn't be possible in solo content, such as what is found in trials, arenas, and dungeons, group design is justified. In content where grouping adds nothing to the experience, or worse actively hinders it, forced grouping is not justified.

In the case of endeavors, which are intended to be something you don't have to go way out of you way for and can collect in the background, all endeavors requiring forced grouping would be a hindrance to that design. Which is why they do, in fact, regularly include activities that are solo. Some of the stuff may need multiple people to do at the very least don't require forming a group. You can instead just run into other random players while remaining ungrouped.

This week they included world bosses. World bosses don't actually require groups. Many people can solo them. And those that can't, don't need to form a group. They can just join in killing it with random other people without being grouped.

me_ming · December 2022

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Jeejee wrote: »

Ragnork wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

"omg they ask me to play with other players in a mmo !!!!"

Believe it or not a large number of people play any mmorpg not for the group content, which is viewed as annoying and intrusive, but the rpg elements that are added to and expanded on a regular basis.

There's no valid reason to start complaining if a mmo requires you to do group content

Yeah. There is. MMO doesn't automatically mean forced grouping and there's solo content in many MMOs. A grouping mechanic is not automatically immune to criticism just because it's an MMO. What grouping adds to the experience of that individual content is what determines whether or not grouping is a justified requirement. In cases where it can help bring more creative and challenging designs that wouldn't be possible in solo content, such as what is found in trials, arenas, and dungeons, group design is justified. In content where grouping adds nothing to the experience, or worse actively hinders it, grouping is not justified.

It also doesn't mean it's a solo game. You WILL have activities. [Snip] There's a reason why it's called a WORLD Boss, as much as there is a reason why Arenas like Maelstrom is called Solo Arenas. World Bosses were never intended to be solo content, it was intended for people who were grouped while they explore the world.

[Edited for baiting and bashing]

spartaxoxo · December 2022

me_ming wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Jeejee wrote: »

Ragnork wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

"omg they ask me to play with other players in a mmo !!!!"

Believe it or not a large number of people play any mmorpg not for the group content, which is viewed as annoying and intrusive, but the rpg elements that are added to and expanded on a regular basis.

There's no valid reason to start complaining if a mmo requires you to do group content

Yeah. There is. MMO doesn't automatically mean forced grouping and there's solo content in many MMOs. A grouping mechanic is not automatically immune to criticism just because it's an MMO. What grouping adds to the experience of that individual content is what determines whether or not grouping is a justified requirement. In cases where it can help bring more creative and challenging designs that wouldn't be possible in solo content, such as what is found in trials, arenas, and dungeons, group design is justified. In content where grouping adds nothing to the experience, or worse actively hinders it, grouping is not justified.

It also doesn't mean it's a solo game. You WILL have activities. [Snip].

'What grouping adds to the experience of that individual content is what determines whether or not grouping is a justified requirement" =/= "You should be able to do everything solo.".

Forced grouping is not automatically justified because it's an MMO.

World bosses are often completed solo. Many don't have group mechanics. It depends on the boss.

[Edited quote]

Fenris_Arainai · December 2022

Luede wrote: »

the pvp endeavors i know don't really have anything to do with pvp. repair, damage with siege weapons, kill npcs on resources. You can do all this in the safety of a keep, without the enemy players can get to you, or on totally empty pvp servers, where you can not be killed.

This week's weekly is killing 10 bosses in Imperial City. Can't complete that repairing walls in Cyrodiil.

(generally, you are right, but the OP complains about this week's weekly)

kringled_1 · December 2022

Luede wrote: »

the pvp endeavors i know don't really have anything to do with pvp. repair, damage with siege weapons, kill npcs on resources. You can do all this in the safety of a keep, without the enemy players can get to you, or on totally empty pvp servers, where you can not be killed.

This weeks "pvp" weekly is kill 10 Patrolling Horrors in IC, which isn't explicitly pvp, but you are probably going to die to another player doing it. Even in a very empty IC. (not explicitly PvP in the sense that those are pve bosses)

Anifaas · December 2022

I just don't understand why bosses in Group dungeons are not considered Group bosses. Are they considered solo bosses? Are we supposed to take turns soloing the bosses in group dungeons? Have I been doing dungeons wrong this whole time?

Jammy420 · December 2022

Oh no! PvPers get something too? How dare we....

Jammy420 · December 2022

Nihilr wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

"omg they ask me to play with other players in a mmo !!!!"

Believe it or not, but a large amount of the player base are here for the "Elder Scrolls", not the "Online" portion of the name.

And a large portion like playing the multiplayer aspect. Or all aspects. So the variety is well recieved for me. Since I actually enjoy all the content they put in, not just a section.

robwolf666 · December 2022

lurkin777 wrote: »

I just don't do those two things and they won't convince me with Endeavors.

Why is there not a solo weekly endeavor every week??

Yup, agreed. They couldn't even pay me real money to do PvP, or "organised" groups. (stumbling upon a bunch of people doing a WB is one thing, a group with a "leader" telling you how to play... no thanks)

Xarc · December 2022

Nihilr wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

"omg they ask me to play with other players in a mmo !!!!"

Believe it or not, but a large amount of the player base are here for the "Elder Scrolls", not the "Online" portion of the name.

sure,
but they can't be surprised to be rewarded by playing group content in a mmo.