As others have already stated there is something seriously wonky with the finder.

I too have observed the behaviour @dmnqwk mentions; if queueing as DD+support(s) the DD must be the one joining the queue. Furthermore if it doesn't 'pop' shortly after (<1M) is best to leave and rejoin the queue.

If during the run one or more players leave in all likelihood you will have to 'ask your friends/guild' or do without as the finder will hardly ever fill the gaps anymore.

The only experience that is consistent with the finder is how wildly inconsistent it has become.

During the Undaunted event it definitely caused a significant spike on my hair's 'whitening rate'.

On one hand double drops at the final boss were quite lovely for 'gear goblins' like myself, on the other the ludicrous amount of time wasted with the finder and the almost ritualistic manner in which it forces us to interact with it turned it into a source of premature aging.

boi_anachronism_ wrote: »

Vet trials are in the same boat. Tanks don't wanna run 'em right now...

I would have to double check, but I wait in queue as tank for awhile. I

phlupp89 wrote: »

What annoys me most about the queue atm: If I go as a tank I'll most likely get a group instantly. If I queue as a tank for the same dungeon(s) while being in a group with a dps or even a healer it will take a lot longer.
That's if we get a group at all.
I just want to run these dungeons with my buddy .... :'(

Try grouping with a healer. I had to wait 10 minutes or so for a group.


Queue isn't properly handling dps roles

I haven't played in about a month now so I can't say how the state of queueing is RN, but back when I was playing I would never go into pugs with a healer or tank as damage from most people was pitiful low to the point where I could outparse the entire team by myself with exceptions being far in between(my fellow hodor users always nice when you get a team and you can see their name there).

I imagine with the dps reductions in U35 this has probably compounded the problem, people see the slogan of play how you want and mistake it for play how you want and be effective, those are very different things.

What baffles me even more is that there is an option for people who are bad at weaving and rotations and that is... tuh tuh tuh... heavy attack builds! They have become surprisingly effective and are viable in all classes as long as you have access to oakensoul(it's possible without the mythic but you will have to *gasp* cast skills) sorcerers can pull over 100k dps on a HA build currently and the other classes while admittedly not as good never fall under 80k if you know how to properly build your character(again play how you want is different than play effectively at your role). I used to rock a HA build on a NB while leveling it up during the last double XP event and I would quite often be at the top in terms of damage in most pugs.

I dropped my tank, completely -- with the Block Bug, I wasn't able to pull the role well enough......
My Necro Healer is still only in his 40's, so not up to vet, yet ......
My former tank is now a DD, and does ok... I never queue for DPS, though, as I am older, and have some arthritis, so doing much more than 25 to 35K DPS gets rough for me -- I usually end up just dropping a shards, and going with light attacks and flurry weave..... I have that down well enough that I can do decent amounts ... but I will, probably never be in the high end areas

Auldwulfe

dmnqwk wrote: »

Just a reminder for some people:

1. If you have only 1 DD in the group, they need to queue. Why? Who knows! We suspect, but we don't know. 2 DD's it doesn't matter which role queues but the queue system is bad.
2. If you're queuing and the group fails to launch (someone declines or whatnot) then do NOT simply sit there and hope it's not bugged. Especially as a healer if you queue, it fails, and you sit there... you'll stay sitting there for much longer than if you leave the queue and re-join (sometimes to an instant group). Again, why? Who knows!
3. Replacements do not seem to ever get selected fast enough - the dungeon finder is poorly written code that pales in comparison to WoW and Swtors efforts, just truly terrible design. Part of this is probably because pledges will not complete for partial runs. Bad design? Yes. Other games would manage it without incident by giving a warning about the group 'being in progress' but not ESO, nope. It's not a real MMO like that! *snicker*

With the block bug in effect, I've stopped pugging vet dungeons because it's not worth the hassle to overcome. I'll occasionally heal one on my new DK healer to test her out but realistically, I'm not interested until block is fixed since I only do vets for the chance at monies from motifs and style pages.

This the dungeon finder is so insanely bugged Sheogorath probably was very involved.
1) if you are 2 players even 2 DD you are an group who need to be filled so you get in the front of line above all the fake tanks and healers who will fill your group.
2) yes the finder has an shadow queue who goes nowhere, but leaving and reentering probably put you back and it keeps track of your queue position. Why? Sheogorath this one assumes?
3) No you can not select if you want to start from the start or help kill the last boss.
First as in first boss is required for pledge but later is better if you just want weapon or skillpoint.

You has an new bug this year, if an 4 man group queue for an random normal, the others might go offline. This is an visual bug, travel to another zone and then travel to your team. You still get the random dungeon benefits.
Why Sheogorath, stop using the Wabbajack on the dungeon finder.

Finder also breaks spectacularly during peaks like new dungeon dlc or dungeon focused events.
Do not use finder here get an group and port directly to dungeon, using finder is likely to stuck you in group.
So have fun if its your trial or Cyrodil run.

Its has so many bugs this one assume its an anthill who also run on bugs.
Or ratter an onion made of ants.

Reduce the problem if an happy drunk.

Zezin wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

If ZOS wants a healthy, fast queue for players, they need to take a good look at all those factors and work on it. I suspect it's likely not a high priority though.

Even if all the bugs were fixed, there would still be wait times for DPS. It's the MMO-Paradox - DPS don't want to spec tank/heal, they then complain about the lack of tanks/healers.

After all, who the hell wants to tank or heal a PUG, given the level of vitriol from DPS for every perceived mistake by the tank/healer, while the DPS is busy standing in AoE?!

heavens forbid there couldn't possibly be people out there that could play the game well and do good dps, just impossible.

Of course there are, but all it takes is one out of three to be an idiot.

Molydeus wrote: »

Auldwulfe wrote: »

I dropped my tank, completely -- with the Block Bug, I wasn't able to pull the role well enough......
My Necro Healer is still only in his 40's, so not up to vet, yet ......
My former tank is now a DD, and does ok... I never queue for DPS, though, as I am older, and have some arthritis, so doing much more than 25 to 35K DPS gets rough for me -- I usually end up just dropping a shards, and going with light attacks and flurry weave..... I have that down well enough that I can do decent amounts ... but I will, probably never be in the high end areas

Auldwulfe

Get Oakensoul, it will help dramatically with your dps issues. It's designed to make dpsing easier on people who have problems being sweaty.

@Auldwulfe Deltia's Gaming just put out a great video on this the other day - heavy attack Oakensoul builds that can dish out some solid DPS. Most seem very easy to mange since it's one-bar, but the fact that they are based on heavy attacks too may make things a a lot less physically demanding.

I haven't tried them personally, but I'm going to aim my warden in that direction once they level up a little more. Sometimes I want to mash buttons, but other times I just want to chill, and this sounds like a good answer to the latter.

The Best One Bar Build In ESO? Oakensoul One Bar Tier List 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fja4ebueQv8

Even healer ques are long as hell lately. I even had a tank que last like a minute or two which was not normal. I play almost exclusively supports mainly tanks these days and really feel for you guys with hour plus ques, thats almost unplayble. Id probably have to find another game to play and come back when things liven up.