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Constructive PvP Statement
The main problem with ESO, isn't actually ESO's fault. It's consumer habits, most players (mainly PvP) like short and sweet activities, can I jump in and play a 10, 15, 20 minute match? No you can queue this just for a BG's, ZoS need to bring template based competitive PvP that is detached from the MMO part of the game. Something interesting for viewers to watch, that could bring in a ESports crowd that would boost content creators views and bring more players to the game. This should not be locked behind a paywall and be accessed to all.
From observations made on other games and talking to other members of the gaming community, they really like 'splash screens' that show the winning team posing or killcams.
This might seem crazy but you could even make this a free to play part of the game just like how Activision created Warzone as an example.
Everyone's thoughts?
Edited by garrsstephen on December 5, 2022 9:40AM From observations made on other games and talking to other members of the gaming community, they really like 'splash screens' that show the winning team posing or killcams.
This might seem crazy but you could even make this a free to play part of the game just like how Activision created Warzone as an example.
Everyone's thoughts?
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Rowjoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭PVP offering is actually very good.
The problem is the ongoing performance issues.
Once that is sorted (if it is ever sorted) then the conversation about additional content/mechanics can be held.16 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I remember reading a while ago someone suggesting the devs turn Cyrodill/IC into a "battle royale" style (Similar to Fortnite) and how that would bring in new players.
I hadn't thought about that in awhile until this topic brought up that memory."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭garrsstephen wrote: »The main problem with ESO, isn't actually ESO's fault. It's consumer habits, most players (mainly PvP) like short and sweet activities, can I jump in and play a 10, 15, 20 minute match? No you can queue this just for a BG's, ZoS need to bring template based competitive PvP that is detached from the MMO part of the game. Something interesting for viewers to watch, that could bring in a ESports crowd that would boost content creators views and bring more players to the game. This should not be locked behind a paywall and be accessed to all.
From observations made on other games and talking to other members of the gaming community, they really like 'splash screens' that show the winning team posing or killcams.
This might seem crazy but you could even make this a free to play part of the game just like how Activision created Warzone as an example.
Everyone's thoughts?
ESO should stay as far away from the eSports scene as possible.
This product is not for that crowd and they don't belong here. There are already plenty of other games that cater to this.
Catering to an entirely different pvp audience will drive off the current one.8 -
redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Before anything else, performance needs to be addressed. That's still the main issue."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
- Daggerfall's Mightiest | Eternal Champions | Legacy | Tamriel Melting Pot [PS][NA] 2300 CP
- SweetTrolls | Spring Rose | Daggerfall Royal Legion | Tinnitus Delux [PC][EU] 2525 CP
- Bacon Rats | Silverlight Brotherhood | Canis Root Tea Party | Vincula Doloris [PC][NA] 2300 CP
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Making ESO some sort of esport means more nerfs to fun so... No.
Like peeps have been saying for years, fixing performance should be the primary agenda.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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opalcity✭✭✭✭✭A Skyrim-based battle royale game might be a fun idea.
Making it a feature of ESO, not so much.
Also, where are you getting "most players" from? I'm always wary when people make statements like that.
I'm of the consensus that pvp stability needs to be addressed first. I also believe that there needs to be a harder wall between pve and pvp, to cut down on the balancing issues.3 -
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✭Stability has to be first, because if a game is unstable the rest doesn't matter. That being said, the last time I ducked into Cyrodiil, within 10 minutes I saw a group all spamming Radiating Regen and decided I'd take another couple of months off.
Open world is beyond stale. Bad mechanics have been around for far too long and the only changes that are being made only serve to make things worse.
BGs could have been something, but they get neglected too.
Zos has a great combat system, it's just a shame that all they do with it is tweak dummy parse numbers.0 -
axi✭✭✭✭✭I chuckle every time someone mentiones ESO and e-sport in the same comment. These two doesn't fit well.4
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Freelancer_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do people that like E-Sports like watching ESO's combat?
Splitting it off into a separate game would require a fair amount of resources.
If people don't like it, the content would also be DOA.
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KKolly✭✭✭PVP offering is actually very good.
The problem is the ongoing performance issues.
Once that is sorted (if it is ever sorted) then the conversation about additional content/mechanics can be held.
This.
Cyrodiil is arguably the best large-scale PvP offering in MMO's currently released. But its not just the lag, at least on PC-NA. (I imagine that even if NA's performance rolled back, its still better than EU which didn't get new servers). The population of Cyrodiil as a whole is plummeting because casuals have nothing to play for.
They need make campaign scoring scale to population (to keep camps from turning into blowouts no one cares about) GH is supposed to be the hardcore campaign, but its the only one with a playable population right now.
Ravenwatch is so dead, the people who ruined it have abandoned it for Blackreach. Blackreach itself was slowly dying for months as well until the recent influx of RW players. If the non-hardcore campaigns continue to turn into massive blowouts every month, we're going to have more and more non-hardcore (squishy) players in GH...which means more PUGs getting farmed by ballgroups and more experienced small-scale and solo PvPers getting VD procced and having their gameplay ruined.PC/NA
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tonyblack✭✭✭✭✭PVP offering is actually very good.
The problem is the ongoing performance issues.
Once that is sorted (if it is ever sorted) then the conversation about additional content/mechanics can be held.
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For everyone laughing at ESO catering for ESports, what is your argument against it? I use ESports as a loose term to include anyone wanting to watch competitive PvP, which brings in revenue through sponsorships, social media trending, content creators etc. All positives for game development. I'm specifically proposing the targeting of a, technically, dead game mode, and trying to proposed an idea to boost the overall popularity of the game.0
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Role choice and template builds (using the armour system) could be implemented to ensure roles are stuck to, with lobby's for players to get ready (which in a way already exists at the start of a BG)0
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No set grinding you choose and equipment. Alternatively you could use the PTS coffer system to add build diversity into the game, while restricting sets for roles still0
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edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭garrsstephen wrote: »Role choice and template builds (using the armour system) could be implemented to ensure roles are stuck to, with lobby's for players to get ready (which in a way already exists at the start of a BG)
This isn't that type of game.
The tag line for this game is "play how you want" and what you are suggesting goes entirely against it.
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edward_frigidhands wrote: »garrsstephen wrote: »Role choice and template builds (using the armour system) could be implemented to ensure roles are stuck to, with lobby's for players to get ready (which in a way already exists at the start of a BG)
This isn't that type of game.
The tag line for this game is "play how you want" and what you are suggesting goes entirely against it.
But it was, why do you think we have group roles in all content. I have no issue with play how you want, I'm not proposing to change the whole game, I am only saying to change one small part of the game, which I am afraid, is neglected and see if it impacts the game in a positive way.
Players should be open to change, developers should be open to change. This game is getting on for 8 years old and needs to keep up with the times or become extinct.0 -
Lebkuchen✭✭✭✭✭[snip] But we all know how much players hated the implementation of the last mini game. Not because it was bad. But because we can play these games somewhere else, and better. We need the devs and teams to focus on the game we already have and love. We should motivate them to focus on better performance, better quality control and high quality content. And not ask for free to play pay to win nonesense, because we will probably get that anyway...
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[snip] But we all know how much players hated the implementation of the last mini game. Not because it was bad. But because we can play these games somewhere else, and better. We need the devs and teams to focus on the game we already have and love. We should motivate them to focus on better performance, better quality control and high quality content. And not ask for free to play pay to win nonesense, because we will probably get that anyway...
I only state human nature, why else would we get new content quarterly and some of the biggest games ride off that endorphin high. Games are successful, not because of their ability to produce quality games (though it helps) but because they give players a quick fix. This is scientific fact. The issue with ESO is that it lacks this fix, so you end up with player fatigue, which definitely has happened and is acknowledged within the community.
I only propose a fix for this using mechanics already in the game, something ZoS have said can be realistically proposed.
People need to consider what's best for the whole game and not their own experiences. (Those these are important)
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✭✭✭✭✭I agree the problem with PvP is not ESO's fault. Zenimax is the group responsible. The game is merely their product.
However, I'm afraid I have to disagree as to why. Players are not the problem at all. The game's performance is the main issue with ESO and has been for years. This is the only game where performance has declined with time. Even Zenimax (Rich or Matt) commented that one driver in the game's performance decline had been numerous added systems. Performance has been the primary driver pushing players from Cyrodiil.
This is why Zenimax is doing the re-architecture of the server-side game code.
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✭✭There won't be a competitive e-spots community in ESO until they stop with the drastic balancing changes or optimize the coding to perform optimally with the servers.2
