Haven't played since June 2022, can anyone give me tldr of what went wrong with ESO?
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✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »DemonicGoat wrote: »What reality do you come from where a broken core mechanic is evolution? You post in every thread about how nothing is wrong but the game is decaying in many ways. I get it if you cant be honest with yourself,no one wants to admit ESO is over,but look around, the reality is something is very wrong with how they are administering this game.
ESO is far from over. Every change is met with doom and gloom posts that I take with a grain of salt, because my experience hasn't degraded in the least.
Yes there are some bugs but they can be fixed and that alone is not enough to kill this game.
You've also repeatedly posted that you don't participate in any end game activities, PvE or PvP. So sure, nothing has changed for the players who don't participate in anything other than casual overland questing.
For the people who participate in the end game content the game is seriously, seriously suffering. U35 combined with 5 weeks of block bug has devastated end game PvE activities. PvP has been dying a slow, painful death for years. Guild sales are also bottoming out.34 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »You've also repeatedly posted that you don't participate in any end game activities, PvE or PvP. So sure, nothing has changed for the players who don't participate in anything other than casual overland questing.
The only thing I don't participate in is veteran end game content. I didn't used to participate in PvP but recently I've done some PvP stuff in Cyrodiil with my friend for something new, and a couple of battlegrounds.
And what exactly do you mean by PvE? World Bosses and Harrowstorms and Vents don't count?
I play the way a lot of others play and my experiences are valid.Edited by SilverBride on November 26, 2022 10:47PMPCNA2 -
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Stories got much worse too, btwSaffronCitrusflower wrote: »So sure, nothing has changed for the players who don't participate in anything other than casual overland questing.
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »You've also repeatedly posted that you don't participate in any end game activities, PvE or PvP. So sure, nothing has changed for the players who don't participate in anything other than casual overland questing.
The only thing I don't participate in is veteran end game content. I didn't used to participate in PvP but recently I've done some PvP stuff in Cyrodiil with my friend for something new, and a couple of battlegrounds.
And what exactly do you mean by PvE? World Bosses and Harrowstorms and Vents don't count?
I play the way a lot of others play and my experiences are valid.
I hope you're enjoying Cyrodiil and BGs!6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »You've also repeatedly posted that you don't participate in any end game activities, PvE or PvP. So sure, nothing has changed for the players who don't participate in anything other than casual overland questing.
The only thing I don't participate in is veteran end game content. I didn't used to participate in PvP but recently I've done some PvP stuff in Cyrodiil with my friend for something new, and a couple of battlegrounds.
And what exactly do you mean by PvE? World Bosses and Harrowstorms and Vents don't count?
I play the way a lot of others play and my experiences are valid.
I hope you're enjoying Cyrodiil and BGs!
Thank you! I've only dipped my toes in the water so far but had a lot of fun when I go to Cyrodiil with my friend.PCNA4 -
Mascen✭✭✭✭As the title says, I've noticed lots of talking about something wrong happening to ESO but can't really make sense of it all... Could anyone give me a resume of what happened since High Isle launch? (I wasn't playing ESO when it launched). I've returned 4 days ago.
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✭✭The irony is you will spend more time reading these replies than if you just opened up u35 and u36 patch notes.
But since you asked...
-sweeping changes to dots and dps
-they buffed the raid dummy and decreased boss health
-nearly destroyed the super end game pve community
-templar completely obliterated
-nb buffed pretty freaking significantly
-warden buffed quite a lot
-new mythics with horrible lead locations and drop rates
-a card game that they tried to pass of as "pvp content"
-big changes to hots and healing
-pvp communities nearly destroyed
-performance has gotten worse
I think I could go on but the really short version is the game direction is continuing to spiral downwards. I love this game and want desperately for them to fix performance, to care about pvp, and to fix templar. I hope they do these things before all my pvp friends quit. If that isn't soon, then it will be too late. So many of my friends have already quit.PC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden10 -
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✭✭✭DemonicGoat wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »FluffyBird wrote: »
Fixed for ya. If evolution worked like that, I'd be a patch of mold.Bouldercleave wrote: »Nothing - Nothing went wrong with the game, just simple evolution degradation
There was nothing to fix because @Bouldercleave was right. Nothing went wrong with the game, just simple evolution.
I get it if you cant be honest with yourself,no one wants to admit ESO is over,but look around, the reality is something is very wrong with how they are administering this game.DemonicGoat wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »FluffyBird wrote: »
Fixed for ya. If evolution worked like that, I'd be a patch of mold.Bouldercleave wrote: »Nothing - Nothing went wrong with the game, just simple evolution degradation
There was nothing to fix because @Bouldercleave was right. Nothing went wrong with the game, just simple evolution.
I get it if you cant be honest with yourself,no one wants to admit ESO is over,but look around, the reality is something is very wrong with how they are administering this game.
Well technically we have gone through 36 updates, so according to the forums the game has officially died 35 times...
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✭✭✭✭✭SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »DemonicGoat wrote: »What reality do you come from where a broken core mechanic is evolution? You post in every thread about how nothing is wrong but the game is decaying in many ways. I get it if you cant be honest with yourself,no one wants to admit ESO is over,but look around, the reality is something is very wrong with how they are administering this game.
ESO is far from over. Every change is met with doom and gloom posts that I take with a grain of salt, because my experience hasn't degraded in the least.
Yes there are some bugs but they can be fixed and that alone is not enough to kill this game.
You've also repeatedly posted that you don't participate in any end game activities, PvE or PvP. So sure, nothing has changed for the players who don't participate in anything other than casual overland questing.
For the people who participate in the end game content the game is seriously, seriously suffering. U35 combined with 5 weeks of block bug has devastated end game PvE activities. PvP has been dying a slow, painful death for years. Guild sales are also bottoming out.
I recently (post U35) completed vKA for the first time, so endgame vet accessibility is not all bad.
Is super hard mode vet stuff unreachable now? I would not know. But "normal" vet trials seem fine to me.3 -
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Well technically we have gone through 36 updates, so according to the forums the game has officially died 35 times...
Well, actually a bit more. You have forgotten all the times early on when the game died because there was no update for a certain amount of time...
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Mesite✭✭✭✭My DPS increased.
I'd like to think it was because I started training with a dummy but after reading the posts here I realise it may be something that changed with the updates.
They brought back Dwarven crates and I got that camel I wanted.
The events were fun too.3 -
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✭✭TL;DR: Updates 35 and 36 demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that this game is still an open beta, and will likely never leave this stage.15 -
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It seems like ZOS nearly completely ignores feedback from the people who've played the game the most and are best positioned to make positive, helpful suggestions. I mean the PTS is free quality control by the customer base and most of the time the feedback is ignored, certainly on some seriously important updates like AwA's and U35. Then it seems like they make the feeblest of effort to fix a very significant bug that seriously impacts vet raiding groups by not prioritizing a fix for the block bug.
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't think someone saying the game is evolving is talking about bugs, personally. A bug is not an intended change and won't be around forever, so a good faith interpretation would exclude bugs imo. Obviously, bugs need fixing. But, some people are happy with U35 and their experiences are valid too.
Anyway, I think the game IS evolving. But it's evolving in a negative way that has thus far alienated end game players. There's seems to be this dev obsession of increasing end game participation, but only by the "right" setups. The previous Oakensoul builds weren't the right ones, because they nerfed it specifically because too many people used it to enter vet content. This is despite it having minimum impact on leaderboards. In fact, it feels like every time the devs find something that does work to actually increase vet participation, it's nerfed to the ground and we have to change our builds. The most impacted player is consistently the mid-vet players just finally entering that content for the first time because they finally met requirements, until they didn't. Afterwards, it's the highly skilled players who have to relearn their character for the umpteenth time.
This nebulous vision of constantly changing the game to meet some unexplained vision of more people doing vet stuff is probably one of the biggest sources of frustration of even late midgame vets.Edited by spartaxoxo on November 27, 2022 5:19PM13 -
ZOS_IcymodGreetings,
We have recently removed some unnecessary back and forth in addition to some bashing from this thread.- Bashing and Slanderous Comments: We do not permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on our forums. We believe that doing so is neither constructive nor in spirit of our game and community.
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Lebkuchen✭✭✭✭✭With every update, maintenance and DLC they break more than they repair.
One thing that nobody is talking about: The Gray Host campaign on Playstation EU was killed by a maintenance in the middle of the July/August PvP event. It's so laggy that almost everyone moved to Blackreach or just stopped playing. Cyrodiil on Playstation EU is emptier and more boring than ever before.
New issues and problems are piling up, and everyone seems to be in a bad mood. Once a year we get the usual "working on something, no ETA" announcement, sometimes we hear about delays and sometimes someone tells us to shut up and be more patient. Quality control and communication are in desperate need of an upgrade. The relationship between players and the team does not feel very healthy.
The sad thing is: While they are adding nice (but expensive) "quality of life" content to the crown store, and play around with well-meant new features, the game that should hold it all together is falling apart.
You wanted people to give you "tldr of what went wrong with ESO": neglect and misunderstandings.11 -
SPR_of_HA_community✭✭✭✭Game had a lot of different options how you can play it before. But last 3 years ZOS destroy CP, a lot of builds, a lot of players favorite skills.
The same time they say opposite thing.
As example:
"We do new CP it will help new players"
In reality - low players lose more from it then other players because they have not enough points to open star and get any proffit. To hide it they make CP level up faster and make all players UP from 810 to 1600.
"Maelstorm changes"
You need to farm again content you did before to get perfect weapon
Build nerfs:
They talk about nerfing LA and love to HA, but they nerf HA and do not really nerf LA.
So a lot of reall HA players leave the game.
They nerf a lot of midle tear builds, whyle did not nerf top tier builds - change a lot of skills with no need and etc.
So it was clearly seen that they do not even understand what they are doing.
Then they broke PVP perfomance and block, HA of lightning staffs and even game critically error on start of u36.
And it is just a small part of all bad they did ))2 -
UnabashedlyHonest✭✭✭✭✭Seems like most of the people posting in this thread have touched on the issues I think are causing the most problems. U35 is the biggest step back in recent memory IMO.5
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AinSoph✭✭✭✭✭ZOS said that the >1% of players that accomplish things through blood, sweat, and tears to get the hardest ingame achieves need to be nerfed and then decided to nerf literally everyone while having absolutely awful takes on twitter (CM asking how to communicate, CD rejecting criticism, crown store promoting ingame earnables).3 -
Kingsindarkness✭✭✭✭✭Game evolved
It's not all about the end game and that makes some folks angry.4 -
Einar_Hrafnarsson✭✭✭✭✭U35: Many things were nerfed for no real reason. Accessabillity went down the toilet since all those nerfs hit those the hardest who were not good at the game to begin with. Oakensoul nerfed after 3 months because of 3 people being upset. Main-Healers nerfed hard cause... yeah no Reason whatsoever.
U36: More Bugs than Storyquests.
Any more Questions?
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✭✭things are chuggin along like they always have. things change, but that's not a change4 -
Zezin✭✭✭✭✭FluffyBird wrote: »creeps away leaving trail of spores
Let us creep away together then, mold together strong!3 -
TiberX✭✭✭✭.. aaand we got a free guar pet as they were sorryEdited by TiberX on November 28, 2022 10:39PMOfficer of Ghosts and Goblins0 -
Dem_kitkats1✭✭✭✭Oh that would be a big list of things, but here it is in a nutshell.
-why do they even have a comment section for pts at this point? It's basically just pre-access to the chapters.
-it's another case of the majority of the player base not feeling heard or even cared about.
-lackluster new content (please ZOS, new class or skill line).
-once again, no new PvP content.
-ZOS you have the tools to separate the balancing between PvE and PvE, please use them.
-why are we changing core combat mechanics, instead of addressing the more obvious contributors to skill gap and power creep? (*cough* - no training tools, no areas curated for a healthy learning environment and skill progression, substantially more powerful gear every year & build optimization).
-is it really that feasible to create endgame PvE content based on grouping, roles, and coordination when the journey there is greatly catered towards the solo player?
-a couple bugs of bugs can be cute, a hoard on the other hand...
-poor Templar.Edited by Dem_kitkats1 on November 28, 2022 10:54PM1 -
SaffronCitrusflower✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »You've also repeatedly posted that you don't participate in any end game activities, PvE or PvP. So sure, nothing has changed for the players who don't participate in anything other than casual overland questing.
The only thing I don't participate in is veteran end game content. ...
I play the way a lot of others play and my experiences are valid.
Yes, that's what I said. Not participating in veteran and end game content is why the casual players are not significantly impacted by the bugs and changes so many are complaining about.
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